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[PurplePanda]

The answer has to do with something you do every day, and you do it during the night. I don't want to give away the answer completely because I don't know if it will ruin the experience for others. Sorry, it's my first comment.

 

[Altalize]

First riddle is dream. However I thought the second one was "breath" but it's not. When I type "1" it just skips straight to the mission where uther and arthas starts talking on chapter 6. Really enjoying it so far. The level 1 mission was very well made. If you are a pro for the first mission you will understand how to actually defeat all the footmen.

Riddle:
There is an oak tree.
There are twelve nests in it.
in each nest
Four eggs each,
in every egg
seven chickens each. What is it?

 

[Lazarator]

First riddle is dream. However I thought the second one was "breath" but it's not. When I type "1" it just skips straight to the mission where uther and arthas starts talking on chapter 6. Really enjoying it so far. The level 1 mission was very well made. If you are a pro for the first mission you will understand how to actually defeat all the footmen.

Riddle:
There is an oak tree.
There are twelve nests in it.
in each nest
Four eggs each,
in every egg
seven chickens each. What is it?

Year.

 

[LALA]

I was wondering if you would continue with the following campaigns or leave it here because the first 2 went very well for you.

 

[Mentilara]

I was wondering if you would continue with the following campaigns or leave it here because the first 2 went very well for you.

I probably won't continue. I was not satisfied with the quality of the campaign. And in general, my campaign is a piece of crap.

 

[HuanJuan]

I probably won't continue. I was not satisfied with the quality of the campaign. And in general, my campaign is a piece of crap.

Your campaigns are very good and has good qualities.

 

[ExaFlare]

this was not too bad but you really made some things a bit TOO hard even on supposedly "easy" for example the final fight between arthas and malganis i got absolutely cooked and it was not even fair i had to resort to god mode and i think that glitched the game out cause arthas stopped doing anything and was not tangible. please actually make "easy" like ACTUALLY easy because from my PoV difficulty choice does not matter in the slightest. it is very exceptional work otherwise it just feels a bit too hard for what it is

 

[Lazarator]

this was not too bad but you really made some things a bit TOO hard even on supposedly "easy" for example the final fight between arthas and malganis i got absolutely cooked and it was not even fair i had to resort to god mode and i think that glitched the game out cause arthas stopped doing anything and was not tangible. please actually make "easy" like ACTUALLY easy because from my PoV difficulty choice does not matter in the slightest. it is very exceptional work otherwise it just feels a bit too hard for what it is

Personally, I didn't find the final battle that hard, once you remove items from Lich and put all the best items to Mal'ganis
On the other hand, I've ran into a bug: when a Necromancer attacked me, Mal'ganis teleported beside him, but instead got ported on an unreachable place where he couldn't move. I had to get hit by some other Necromancer in order to port away. Overall, the boss fight is quite solid in my opinion.

 

[Hotwer]

Really nice campaing, had a lot of fun playing the reverse role. I like your approach of keeping it truest to what the original was while giving a challenge. Some points of I would like to suggest to fix because they were somewhat annoying:

1. Mission 7, when Arthas attacks your base, he keeps shouting the "I want to have that base leveled" quote repeatedly, in (what I imagine to be) russian.
2. In mission 9, as mentioned by Lazarator, sometimes Mal'Ganis end up on unpathable terrain, requiring to you to reload the fight.

Now, regarding deepstrasz feedback I would agree with basically everything he said, as those would really polish the end result.
I would add that an Auto-save feature would've been nice, given that some maps required realoding (due to sometimes beign rushed by the enemy wasn't expected).

The last thing is probably hard to fix, but I'll mention it anyway, is that sometimes whenever I reloaded the game, sometimes it crashed, figuring the cause would be explendid.

It's sad to know you didn't like the end result. It is a pretty fun experience and very well done in it, so don't be ashamed by it's flaws, nothing is perfect, and your project is well within great quality range.

 

[IceAgeAkella]

I can't wait for the continuation of the story, where Garithos wins, how Illidan loses in the storm of the Magheridon Fortress, and that we protect the Eye of Sargaras from the annoying night elves

 

[ptaq]

nope not gona play, maps are bugged as hell same as last fight (malganis/ arthas randomly jumping out of maps lol) loads works ahead

 

[Blasterixx]

Hi, I played and finished this on the latest version of Shit Forged, on Hard difficulty.

Spoiler: Review

Chapter 1

- One of the hardest missions, even on easy it feels pretty hard. The main difficulty lies in the way Arthas regains his hp. While I understand that you didn't want to make it too easy for him to die, the current mechanism feels unfair. Arthas regains too much health from his units while his units barely get damaged. My suggestion is to double the conversion rate of health from units to heroes. This would mean that for every 1 HP Arthas gains from his units, 2 HP would be taken from them. This would make the gameplay feel less unfair.

- Besides that awful aspect of the gameplay the chapter is good, one of the most well-made ones, I loved the extra comedic scenes like the kiss from that lady, I guess Arthas doesn't like it when random ladies kiss him as a reward.



Chapter 2

Was the best one in my opinion, it had everything, cool gameplay with the orc hero, lots of choices, sidequests, the perfect chapter!


Chapter 3

- There should be a way to corrupt the healing fountain with Kel'Thusad as a side quest, like sacrificing some zombies by killing them near the fountain.

- Kel'Thusad is ahhh.. too weak, he should be much stronger, having magic damage, etc. (not having a hero unit to play with is pretty lame, this is Warcraft 3 after all)

- No side quests? meh

- I can't understand why you had to nerf necros by giving them piercing damage.

also, the priests have piercing damage but have heavy armor as well wtf, same with necros, strange.

- I loved the ending cinematic.


Chapter 4

- Literally, Kabooom just died in the first minute of the game, nice surprise with that goblin merchant lol

- In this chapter, Kel'Thuzad seems to have lost his passive blight ability where he makes the ground blighted whenever he walks.

- Once again the ending cinematic slaps!


Chapter 5

- This one doesn't have an ending cinematic? nani?!?!?! insert the meme Dissapointed!!! (in retrospect it seems you gave up doing ending cinematics from this point on)

- Can you explain what the purple tentacle that keeps teleporting is all about? I've noticed it on several maps, but on some maps clicking on it doesn't seem to do anything, and on others where the tentacle disappears after clicking, nothing seems to happen anyway after I click on all of them. I'm confused about its purpose!?

- The undead caravan takes too much time to start moving....

- This is another very cool mission, I love the custom new undead races you implemented in this one, the green undead with the whole White walker/ solo leveling Arise vibe, everything you kill gets raised as undead, I loved that.

- Same with the purple undead with their frost themes.

- I think this is my favorite mission, sadly no cool cinematic at the end.



Chapter 6

- The acolyte moves toooo slooooooooooooow

- I enjoyed the first phase of the map, but completing the quests took too long due to the acolyte's slow movement speed.

- There was also a hint that there might be bandits in the dark, waiting to ambush somewhere in the town, but I had never seen any bandits.

- The second phase was also pretty rough, Arthas and his army destroyed houses and slaughtered people at a rapid pace, even sending small forces to various parts of the map. It seemed impossible to defeat him through conventional means, the only way I managed to win was by going directly to his base, dealing with it, and then slaying Arthas and his army after, this way he was unable to remake his army and hero, gg!



Chapter 7

- This chapter appears to be broken. After the first phase, Arthas and Muradin are nowhere to be found, and the grey and blue bases are inactive. It seems that only after completing the sidequest of killing Arthas and his units in the first phase, the blue base starts functioning normally in the second phase by building heroes and units. This seems strange, as completing the sidequest seems to be a punishment for the player, as it forces them to fight the blue base. On the other hand, by not completing the sidequest, the blue base remains inactive. Don't you think it should be the other way around?


Chapter 8

- It was a decent one, liked the choices, it made the map more interesting, it is also pretty fun to just run around with the undead units to buy as much time as possible, the A.I. Arthas really wants to kill all of the undead, so it makes kiting him easier.


Chapter 9

- The cinematics at the beginning were cool but a bit too long.

- In the first phase is impossible to defeat Arthas even on easy difficulty.

- The side quest with the frostwyrms is not only super hard to do (the dragon boss having too much hp and 2 op aoe frost spells), but the reward is also useless, the frostwyrms have piercing dmg for fucks sake, wtf am I supposed to do with that against a heavy/medium armor army of 100 food supply of human units with maxed upgrades??? they literally do 0 dmg to them! and die in a few seconds, 10 out of 10 balance!

Making them deal magic dmg would be my suggestion, similar to Destroyers, like how can Destroyers have magic dmg but not the other units like necros and frostwyrms?

- I do like the idea of the cemetery with extra upgrades but they are a bit too expensive and the upgrade called "Crushing the weak" doesn't actually work, it doesn't do anything.

- I did enjoy the zombie attack future from the cemetery alongside the music was a nice touch, but they were pretty weak and didn't really do much.

- The biggest problem I've had in this mission was related to the blink passive from Mal'ganis, he keeps teleporting on top of unwalkable terrain and gets stuck there and that's about it from that point is gg gotta restart the mission, this happened like 5 times in this mission especially at the end fight with Arthas, pretty bad, I suggest you just remove that stupid blink passive with a normal one since the blink is buggy, it also happens at random and because of that I can't really control the hero very well, he keeps teleporting in random spots and just gets killed most of the times.

- There is also the purple undead base in this mission that is an enemy of us but if I don't get near it, they won't start to attack me, so I can just simply ignore it.

I think there should be a way to make them our allies with the power of The Lich King, there should be a side quest (like defeating a chaotic meat golem inside their base) or just a research upgrade from the cemetery.






Overall Negatives:

- There needs to be a way to skip all dialogues/cinematics so we can get straight into the mission/battle, a perfect example is chapter 1, where it takes a while for Arthas to start the mission (lots of talking).


Overall Positives:

- All heroes/units have q w e r spells!

- The dialogues are voiced by A.I. and they aren't that bad actually, I am impressed.

- The campaign isn't actually a 1-to-1 copy of the original and that is good, lots of new content.

-The AI played well most of the time, similar to a real player. You did a good job creating the impression that the AI thinks and moves like a real human.



Overall, I really enjoyed the campaign. It was executed well and had a unique concept.
My rating is an 𝓐 Tier (Great) with 83 points out of 100!

 

[NAYEL4SLR]

The game keeps crashing in the last mission when loading a checkpoint, both quick and manual save.
Max settings.
Current version.

 

[NAYEL4SLR]

If you manage to kill Arthas so early, Muradin will just stand there and won't proceed with the mission. Was this intentional in the design?

 

[Mentilara]

If you manage to kill Arthas so early, Muradin will just stand there and won't proceed with the mission. Was this intentional in the design?
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How did you manage to kill him so early?

 

[NAYEL4SLR]

How did you manage to kill him so early?

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[Lazarator]

The soundtrack choice for the undead chapters is outstanding! The player can really feel the death and destruction of humans while playing the campaign, especially the very first soundtrack at the start of every undead chapter. Kinda reminds me of the movie Friday the 13th, like the Jason from my profile picture lol.
What are the names of the soundtracks, if I may ask?

 

[Mentilara]

The soundtrack choice for the undead chapters is outstanding! The player can really feel the death and destruction of humans while playing the campaign, especially the very first soundtrack at the start of every undead chapter. Kinda reminds me of the movie Friday the 13th, like the Jason from my profile picture lol.
What are the names of the soundtracks, if I may ask?

Spoiler: Music

the other two, I unfortunately don’t remember

 

[Lazarator]

Spoiler: Music

the other two, I unfortunately don’t remember

Ahh, too bad for the other two. Thank you anyway. I hope you've reconsidered about continuing with this lovely reverse saga. Many of us really enjoyed playing this and the previous Burn the Mind campaign

 

[jitao]

Please reconsider doing at least the reversed undead chapter. i've always wanted to play a timeline where Uther, Sylvanas, Antonidas has beaten Arthas via tactics and stopping the invasion since playing wc3 as a kid.

 

[arthas22]

Except a few things,I could say it's a nice campaign,I will leave 5 stars for encouragement because I did really enjoy it, except a few things, which I will leave in a review.

 

[arthas22]

I have really enjoyed the creativity behind the campaign,I can say most of the chapters were nice and despite having to redo ocasionally when playing on hard,I can say it has been a pleasure, except the stratholme chapter. That one was a pain,in the most unpleasant way. I found it too punishing and unfair,even for hard. In order to make it more pleasent,I highly advice you to at least give Mal 'ganis the option to get the staff of teleportation since arthas can do the objective with any troop and you have only Mal'ganis for that. Also putting a timer for the optional objective so that we know when it appears, could be a huge life improvement.

 

[Lazarator]

I have really enjoyed the creativity behind the campaign,I can say most of the chapters were nice and despite having to redo ocasionally when playing on hard,I can say it has been a pleasure, except the stratholme chapter. That one was a pain,in the most unpleasant way. I found it too punishing and unfair,even for hard. In order to make it more pleasent,I highly advice you to at least give Mal 'ganis the option to get the staff of teleportation since arthas can do the objective with any troop and you have only Mal'ganis for that. Also putting a timer for the optional objective so that we know when it appears, could be a huge life improvement.

I managed to complete it on hard, but it was hard indeed, especially since you need to be fast and deal with Arthas's troops as well. Having additional enemy troops with the hero entering the city also made it harder, but it wasn't impossible to beat. Especially since Mal'ganis had the siege attack type which made the destruction of households faster. I enjoyed that chapter even on hard, it was a good challenge, even though the beginning of the chapter was a bit boring, just walking around with an Acolyte - Defiler, completing tasks and using brain for the riddles.

 

[nv4]

BurnTheMind was simple yet quality work, so I expected something similar here. And honestly, I'm somewhat of disappointed.
The biggest issue is non-building chapters. It was fine in BurnTheMind because Thrall had no way to heal his units except for using items, but here Arthas has Holy Light combined with damage redistribution is a total game changer. It feels like balancing was done without considering Holy Light at all. As a result, difficulty of non-building chapters ranges from literally impossible to tediously hard. Ironically, in the later chapters enemy units even have increased max hp while it doing the exact opposite might solve the issue - with decreased max hp it would be possible to kill units while Holy Light is on cooldown.
New tech trees and all that is mostly fine. Some extra dialogue and new cinematics are pretty good. Well, all in all despite the issues, it's still a decent work.
Played on hard difficulty, so perhaps difficulty related issues might not be applicable for lower difficulties.

Spoiler: Thoughts, issues

Chapter 1
1) At first I tried to kill some footmen, but that's pretty much impossible due to Arthas healing them, thus Arthas arrives to fight with Mathog with virtually undamaged and overwhelming forces. So I tried to focus Arthas instead, and got completely fucked by that damage redistribution (or whatever you call it, same result even if it's taking health from footmen to Arthas only at some fixed threshold instead of how spirit link does it) - footmen get damaged instead of Arthas and he just heals them again. The only way left to deal with that is to damage 2 footmen at the same time up to the healing threshold so Arthas will heal 1 and you have time to kill another one while heal is on cooldown. But I was unable to win even with that tactic - there's just too many footmen. So no matter what I do, results is always the same. Maybe I just didn't try hard enough, but ultimately it was a rather tiring and unenjoyable kind of hard difficulty, so I'd say it's pretty much impossible to do this chapter on hard.
Chapter 2
2) Not sure if intended, but destroying the further cage before destroying the cage with a footman results in no enforcer spawned.
3) 2 grunts at the Blademaster's camp only join him if approached from outside the camp. Shouldn't it instead be that Blademaster calls then when leaving his camp?
4) Raiders have no skill to indicate that they have upgrade for reduced damage.
5) Slave Driver - Punch - icon looks like a passive one instead of autocastable one.
6) Searinox - Corrosive Bile - does it even work? Judging by the damage dealt (~15 dmg per hit vs 7 armor buildings, which checks out with avg(25-100)*0.7*0.35), it's just his basic attack damage with no bonuses or whatever.
7) 1 skeleton archer near Searinox appears to be bugged and does nothing besides just standing there.
8) Blademaster has crits and cleave but no skill on the panel to indicate that. Unless those are effects of Katana? But then it would be nice if Katana's description indicated that.
9) On one hand - it's nice to have non-standard Blademaster's skills, on the other hand - it also depends on the execution. And in this case execution is lacking. Berserker is relatively useless - magic immunity is useless here (Arthas and Uther both have standard skills so no magic damage from them) and while heal is great, you could instead take Fire Psychosis (enemies die faster = less damage taken = no need to heal that much) or aura which also heals all allied units, thus being far more impactful.
Change of tactics is nice in theory but again lacking in practice. Now that Blademaster not only has crits but also cleave, his basic attacks are even more powerful than vanilla Blademaster's, so naturally you want to capitalize on that. So picking Int tactic (also the tooltip says it gives 250 mana but it actually gives 15 int) is handicaping yourself, even though Fire Psychosis is good, with Searinox's heart and weed lvl 7 Blademaster has 42 int, which is plenty enough. Agi tactic is just less DPS than no tactic. And Str tactic (assuming again heart + weed + other artifacts + lvl 7) is mathematically about as much DPS as no tactic, except in practice no tactic offers more evenly distributed damage (less excessive overkills like 300 dmg crits on 10 hp footman) resulting in higher DPS. Also, there's no way to choose no tactic again after any specific tactic was chosen.
10) Although mini-quests are accounted for both ways, this chapter is still more pivoted around playing it as Blademaster instead of orc base. IMO the choice should've been "Player-controlled Blademaster + AI-controlled orc base" vs "Player-controlled everything". Blademaster it super strong, he has so much AOE damage he can solo annihilate enemy army. So playing as Blademaster, hard difficulty felt more like normal. But playing as orc base without Blademaster - now that was more like actual hard difficulty.
Chapter 3
11) Kel'Thuzad is weaker than even a non-upgraded necromancer here? Come on, why isn't he as strong here as he is in chapter 4? Not that it matters gameplay-wise, but you know, little details.
12) Same as in Chapter 1 - damage redistribution makes it impossible to win. Except unlike chapter 1, which I thought maybe can be completed, this chapter I am adamantly certain - it is impossible to complete it on hard. Here about half of your units are ranged with piercing damage, doing a fuck all against footmen. As if Holy Light alone wasn't enough, there's also a healing fountain and 2 priests. And priests now even have heavy armor, so no bonus damage against them via piercing damage attacks. Bruh.
Chapter 4
13) Ghouls have no skill to indicate that they have acidic armor.
Chapter 5
14) Playing as green undead, apparently units resurrected via The Kiss of Death do not get extra regen on blighted terrain like normal undeads, despite being ones.
15) For some reason zombie villagers kept getting auto-ordered to attack enemy base after the caravan moved. Same thing happened with villagers controlled by orange AI.
Chapter 6
16) Considering that first part has no time limit and no enemies that could pose a threat to Corruptor, he really should have higher speed. Like, it's literally slow speed for no reason at all, except to irritate the player.
17) Raitiren's guess-the-right-answer is honestly bullshit - just a plain save-load until you randomly pick a right answer. And I emphasize - randomly. Because there's no previous dialogue or whatever else that could hint at the right answer.
18) Maybe I'm stupid or it's a "lost in translation" kind of issue, but how the fuck is the answer to Ergard's riddle is "dream"? Would've never guessed if not for the comments here. One road, only able to step forward and it's all mystery - if anything, it should be "future" or "time". Like, the time only moves forward and you can never go back, all the "what if"s are just possibilities that either happened or not, and you can never know the future for certain. Perhaps it could even be interpreted as "memory" - leads to nowhere and only one road forward because it already happened and you can't do anything about it, though the line about mystery doesn't fit here.
19) Abominations don't gain Cannibilize skill after researching it. And I know that research's tooltip only mentions ghouls, but that's exactly the point - why don't abominations have cannibalize?
20) Dark Conversion is pointless - villagers automaticaly turn into zombies. Also, it doesn't even work, just endless casting.
21) Clicking Soul Preservation on every single zombie is rather tiring. Surely that skill can be autocastable.
22) But even more tiring is that all those zombies suddenly feel the need to go somewhere. Seriously, where the fuck are they going? I can understand it being so to increase difficulty, but that's the annoying kind of difficulty. Besides, this chapter is already hard enough.
23) Obedience works on Vladimir but he's bugged - his orders panel is empty and even hotkeys (like S for stop) don't work, so he can only be controlled via right-clicks.
24) Mal'Ganis - Counterattack - I feel like this ability caused me more harm than good. It can interrupt casting of other abilities, can sometime teleport to unreachable places so Mal'Ganis gets stuck there, can teleport out of proper position (i.e. surrounded by enemy units with Netrezim Storm on and then getting teleported to some lone ranged units, resulting in loss of quite some DPS), makes it extremely hard to bait & aggro ranged enemy units (good luck trying to run away when you constantly get teleported back), and simply feels awkward. Also it feels like the only reason it was added to begin with is for the final fight with Arthas in chapter 9.
Chapter 7
25) Hero can't be resurrected - is it even intended?
Chapter 9
26) Now ghouls lost the cannibalize ability as well. That sucks. Also, would be nice if bite autocast was turned on by default for ghouls and abominations.
27) Demon Blood is only usable on Mal'Ganis himself, so no reason for it to be a targeted ability.
28) Arthas summons a bunch of golems which have bash. Only 1 question - why fucking bash? Oh look, I managed to make a couple hits and now I'm stunned again. Guess I'll go make a tea or something, hopefully I'll be able to control my hero again by that time. Seriously, getting stunlocked is the very opposite of engaging and enjoyable fight. Increase golems' stats, give them crits, some active ability - whatever, just not a fucking bash.

 

[tulee]

Thought I would add some notes I wrote down from when I first played Mentilara's campaign (a few months ago, some of the things I wrote down might have already been changed in the newer campaign version:

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Nice music on campaign screen love the campaign picture
Ch1
Arthas even kills creates to get potions, I love this ai / planned triggering.
Lol at the gnoll kiss reward.
The AI voices are great.
Would have been nice to know beforehand that units must be killed before Heroes.

Ch2
It is nice how we get choice of base/hero option.
Better to let dwarves weaken Seronox if you choose hero path so u can easily kill him after you betray him take his heart.
He should be healed to full if you choose to side with him, since when I chose the base option I got a very low HP Seronox who could not heal fast because he was a normal unit.

Ch3
Barricades near infected grain trap some units when they spawn.
Why not show how the bridge was destroyed? That was an event mentioned from the normal Arthas side, so it would have been cool to know how it was destroyed in the first place.

Ch5
Human base stands no chance against some of the cool undead units we get, both as green or purple.

Ch6
Lol at the dialogue at the start.
Quite relaxing walking through Stratholme as a single unit, though I would prefer a way to get around faster than waiting for the acolyte to walk everywhere.
For the fighting part, The city is too big, we need a way to teleport around, it is fine when we can cut blue's forces off at that starting point before he even gets into the city, but if we cant hold him there (like when we need to go south to kill the inquisitors) then blue's units can go everywhere in the city, and it is almost impossible to hunt them all down.
The year riddle was confusing, I was forced to open the campaign to see what the answer was.

Ch7
"Apetec" message spammed 20+ times. Sometimes, from arthas "that has to be where malganis is hiding, I want that base leveled".

Ch8
I enjoyed having the chance to play as the alliance, that is a very cool perspective for this mission.

Ch9
I liked the options in the base, like bringing the south scourge base under control, sending out those zombies to attack the Human base, getting the Lich, and all the other cool research upgrades.


General points

Overall, I really enjoyed your campaign. This has progressed greatly from your previous reverse campaign, and this kind of creativity is exactly what people should try to do when they make campaigns based on/edited from the Original blizzard campaigns.