(4)Refined Land V1.09

WolfFarkas · Sep 2, 2020

fast look: creep shops and marketplace creeps dont sleep and they must.

terraining trick, edit selet all special control av. page to down doodad, and hide those artificial bars.

epic terraining!!!!

SayuriTenshi · Sep 2, 2020

@WolfFarkas shop yes, marketplace not rly its debatable

Zucth · Sep 2, 2020

SayuriTenshi said:
@WolfFarkas shop yes, marketplace not rly its debatable

what does that sentence mean?
nvm, I understand now. sorry for causing more confuse. xD

ZLY199377 · Sep 2, 2020

　　There is a question that must be made clear. Is the terrain template of this map made by yourself? Or find another map to modify? Please forgive me for doubting, because this map is so delicate compared with other maps of yours.

Zucth · Sep 2, 2020

ZLY199377 said:
　　There is a question that must be made clear. Is the terrain template of this map made by yourself? Or find another map to modify? Please forgive me for doubting, because this map is so delicate compared with other maps of yours.

I made it myself. you can go asked people in the melee discord. I did asked some question when I make the terrain before. If you don't believe me though. I also did write down my inspiration in the information, you can look at the (6)demon's crossing which is original by blizzard. Take a look at the layout and come back answer me am I copy it?

WolfFarkas · Sep 2, 2020

SayuriTenshi said:
@WolfFarkas shop yes, marketplace not rly its debatable

ok got it

Zucth said:
I made it myself. you can go asked people in the melee discord. I did asked some question when I make the terrain before. If you don't believe me though. I also did write down my inspiration in the information, you can look at the (6)demon's crossing which is original by blizzard. Take a look at the layout and come back answer me am I copy it?

no copy, maps are nothing a like.

ZLY199377 said:
　　There is a question that must be made clear. Is the terrain template of this map made by yourself? Or find another map to modify? Please forgive me for doubting, because this map is so delicate compared with other maps of yours.

it also surprised me the very fast evolution of the terraining, considering this was uploaded on last friday. (2)Ramp Off

I did checked 100 pages of epic war of 4 players maps, if this map were done by another user, it would be easy to find 1-3 copies in epic war.

Search Results - Warcraft 3 Maps - Epic War.com

till 2009 maps.

I found nothing

Zucth · Sep 2, 2020

WolfFarkas said:
ok got it

no copy, maps are nothing a like.

it also surprised me the very fast evolution of the terraining, considering this was uploaded on last friday. (2)Ramp Off

I did checked 100 pages of epic war of 4 players maps, if this map were done by another user, it would be easy to find 1-3 copies in epic war.

Search Results - Warcraft 3 Maps - Epic War.com

till 2009 maps.

I found nothing

Thank you for help me clear this situation

It won't be this fast without rotate paste 90(I did 1/4 of it and copy paste around. This is my first[that work well] 4P FFA map anyway I do worry of the balance issue I did have before back in (4)Sunken Sandria). I did asked Knecht about it like 12 hours ago in the discord...
I did a little on creep, creep aggro, decoration and test. that why this map is upload a bit late.

-later edit: My understand in English is very bad @-@

Last time I did this terrain [Black Citadel] was "(2)Waste Factory" and got a problem of the minimap route which tell nothing. I did start research on this terrain combination since then. Can say that this one is the fixed combination tile set of Waste Factory. Also the idea is blink after saw (6)demon's crossing terrain + I was addict to dungeon tile set and sand(from sunken ruins). So I did put the red mushroom on. That's it.

I hope to find more unique combination tile set, so that might be why all of mind will not be normal though, else I was looking for testing other thing like finding new mechanic on neutral building. I hope this explanation can help you understand why some look worst and some maybe unique like what I try to find. In other word if you look deep down in the other map of mind you will see more different of tile set and also other worst tile set sit there.

ZLY199377 said:
There is a question that must be made clear. Is the terrain template of this map made by yourself? Or find another map to modify? Please forgive me for doubting, because this map is so delicate compared with other maps of yours.

++there is another delicate one of mine which is substandard you can take a look though.
"(2)Harphman" It did paint it one by one to say so -.-

Apologize to all the bad mean and rush answer from before @-@

Zucth · Sep 14, 2020

WolfFarkas said:
fast look: creep shops and marketplace creeps dont sleep and they must.

View attachment 363265

terraining trick, edit selet all special control av. page to down doodad, and hide those artificial bars.

epic terraining!!!!

Once again, what's control av page to down? @-@
+ty I didn't see that from before.

mafe · Jan 10, 2021

So about this map: Not bad, but also needs some polishing:
1. Some creeps can aggro by accident. In fact, probably most of them.
2. Like (4)Icicles Isles, this map is much more suited for 2v2 than for 1v1.
3. No good AoW-creeping spots.
4. Safe-wisp-trees.
5. Not much visual structure on the map, most areas look very similar. It will be hard to tell where you are unless you keep looking at the minimap often. However, the tileset itself defintiely improves the basic outland tileset.
6. Main bases could have more space for buildings.
7. Some itemdrops are relatively strong, possibly too strong.
8. General layout is ok.

1 should be fixed, and some of 3/4/5/6 should also be addressed. Map set to Awaiting Update.

Zucth · Jan 10, 2021

mafe said:
So about this map: Not bad, but also needs some polishing:
1. Some creeps can aggro by accident. In fact, probably most of them.
2. Like (4)Icicles Isles, this map is much more suited for 2v2 than for 1v1.
3. No good AoW-creeping spots.
4. Safe-wisp-trees.
5. Not much visual structure on the map, most areas look very similar. It will be hard to tell where you are unless you keep looking at the minimap often. However, the tileset itself defintiely improves the basic outland tileset.
6. Main bases could have more space for buildings.
7. Some itemdrops are relatively strong, possibly too strong.
8. General layout is ok.

1 should be fixed, and some of 3/4/5/6 should also be addressed. Map set to Awaiting Update.

1 that you talked about I guess it about the shop. Not really sure.
2 At first it was suppose to be FFA and 2v2 but somehow end up like that due to time I'm being here sorry for the mistake.
3 will try if I can leave the space for AOE up behind the C3 camp.
4 safe wisp spot might be hard though since all the map doodad using with square tools. will try the must possibility of how much I could do with it.
5 really? whelp will try look for what I could add more here. ty for the word improve xD
6 I will move it toward outside a bit then and make it more open that. I hope it may help the space in the base.
7 Will look for that then ty :] (seem like I did miss place some of the itemdrop)

Every map that had been await update may need some time I didn't have much time free around at this time, hope you not mind if I send it up again after three month xD

mafe · Mar 27, 2021

So the map has changed a lot. Looking at the issues from my previous review, they are all significantly improved (except 5, but that's ok). Nice idea with the reduced-hp-gates.
Unfortunately, it now seems to me that some of the spawn locations are just a bit too far away from the gold mines, so that 5 peasants/peons will have split-second where none of thme is in the mine?
This should be changed, but otherwise it is a good map now. Set to Awaiting Update again.

Zucth · Apr 5, 2021

mafe said:
So the map has changed a lot. Looking at the issues from my previous review, they are all significantly improved (except 5, but that's ok). Nice idea with the reduced-hp-gates.
Unfortunately, it now seems to me that some of the spawn locations are just a bit too far away from the gold mines, so that 5 peasants/peons will have split-second where none of thme is in the mine?
This should be changed, but otherwise it is a good map now. Set to Awaiting Update again.

that's weird to say that only some of them are too far since every spawn are equal but okay... I did move it a little closer.

mafe · May 5, 2021

It seems that that now mining at all starting positions is ok, with some barely noticable occasions where the mine can still be unoccupied by peons/peasants. Maybe I should check if this is not also the case on other maps and I just never noticed. I didnt explicitly look out for any other changes, and all the other stuff seems to be unchanged according to your changelog.#
(Some creepcamps can still aggro by accident. It should rarely happen, but can still be improved).
Overall, no enough/major complaints left and the maps is good enough now. Map approved.

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