Zombie Holdout

[Moderator]

22:05, 6th Mar 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Rejected
Comment

 

[light bolt30]

Please improve the description; tell us about the game play, heroes, items, game modes, screenshots, etc. Here's a list of BB Codes to help you. Judging from the preview image the terrain is really plain and simple with only a few tile sets used. Also there are a few player positions on the map while it shows that the map has only one player. This map doesn't fit for approval in its current state.

 

[ksStr]

All I can say is: Boring + Dull + Plain
One people is going to hold for zombies on such a plain terrain @@ that is pretty boring
Sorry but I vote for Rejection @@

 

[Orcnet]

dude! I know your new here and all, but can you at least start at the basics before you let your back get slapped with the big boys? I mean, you should have first start reading this link: FAQ

and you do like uploading your very own maps, please do read some more tutorials and this basic link: BB Codes this would help you to your new journey, and if you need help, please just go to my profile and ask me your questions,

 

[mckill2009]

read tutorials on triggers/terrain/gameplay...even BB codes...

 

[Drunken_Jackal]

Add better description. Maybe put screenshots or videos. Looks pretty plain. Improve your map.

 

[Tleno]

Sorry, but there are rules and they're equal for both newbies and experienced moddrs, so if your map is not good enough, you should immprove it to be somewhat enjoyable.

 

[-Kobas-]

Greetings aks and Welcome to THW community!

I can see that you joined yesterday so I want to post few useful information and show you rules

Long post

The Hive includes many talented Warcraft III modders of all skill levels among its users. New members (especially friendly ones) are always welcome. Take a look around and enjoy your stay, may it be long and productive!

Some good places to start include:

• The Important Site Rules
• Your User Control Panel
• Warcraft III Tutorials
• Cool Avatars
• Search The Hive
• Community Members
• The Hive Workshop Staff
• THW Chat

Searching the site using the above link always helps, you can learn a lot that way: just reading and learning is usually the best place to start, especially if one feels overwhelmed.

Likewise, the tutorials can really teach ALL of us a thing or two.
The chat room is cool: lots of people can answer questions there.

A few other tips that might help too:
-Always search first! Did I already mention THAT?
-When creating a new thread, make the title VERY specific: so the site's search engine (and we users) can easily understand just what the thread contains.
-Post your new threads in the proper forum: read the descriptions of each one so that you know what to post there.
-If all else fails, just send me a private message! I'll try to do whatever I can to help.

Also about maps:
If you decide to create map please check some tutorials first!
For unfinished maps, use Map Development forum! You can make thread there upload your map so people can tell you what they think just like here! Also for any help with triggers or how to clean memory leaks post triggers and create threads here Triggers & Scripts! Btw if you need any help with WE we have World Editor Help Zone here on THW! And at the end if you need any resource from icons to loading screens check this out Requests!

Once when you create awesome map, and upload it to site, guys like me will check them and give suggestions, hints and so on!

Now let's talk about map:

Idea:

Well idea is really bad, there are 2 many maps like this one, try to make something unique! It just look like standard zombie map, there is nothing unique.

Map description:

Well your map description is average and simple, we want to see epic one
Here check this one:
The importance of a Description [09 May 2009 17:41]ap0calypse
BB Code List: Click
Color List: Click
Map Description Templates
Need pictures for your map Description? - Come here!

Ingame description / Custom GI:

I don't know what to say!
You edited few things but WE icon do not fit wc3 game
You can import starcraft interface to make it awesome, find few cool icons here on thw, add color and edit uwer interface settings
Polishing Your Game [24 May 2010 15:55]N1ghthawk

Terrain:

Fail, epic fail, you need to find terrainer or improve your skills, maps with such terrain won't pass. Check terrain board or request forum and ask for help (or guys that will help you working on map).

Here are some links again, all related to terrain, still I missed few new so be sure to check and find some more as well

Click and find out

Beginners F.A.Q To Terraining [22 May 2009 21:18]iPeez
Creating a Dungeon Entrance [07 Oct 2009 14:07]X-OMG-X
Creating Rivers with Rolling Shores [31 Dec 2006 21:56]1337D00D
Editing Cliff Skins [02 Jan 2009 20:17]Argus
How to Make Easy Waterfalls [10 Nov 2009 08:38]RoboHippo
How to make good looking lava in WE [03 Feb 2010 13:50]Piwlady
How to remove Blight's green clouds [26 Oct 2009 04:11]Stathisdjs
iPeez's Complete Terraing Tutorial v1.0 [18 Jan 2009 18:38]iPeez
Natural Environments [30 Aug 2008 21:42]~Void~
Pathing - Everything about it [01 Jan 2010 18:33]Dr. Boom
Playable Terrain: Islands [06 Sep 2008 08:41]Belgarath
Playable Terrain: Overgrown Forests [03 May 2008 01:27]Belgarath
Polishing Your Game [25 May 2010 00:55]N1ghthawk
Terrain Overgoes - a small guide [28 Sep 2009 04:33]Belgarath
Terrain: Advanced Lighting [13 Feb 2008 05:41]~Void~
Terrain: Forest Cliffs [06 May 2007 11:48]Jattenalle
Terraining - Path by the Sea [16 Feb 2008 02:23]Belgarath
Terraining Tut. - Forests [04 Dec 2006 03:52]HernanG
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial [12 Jun 2007 13:31]HermanTheGibbon
Various Terraining Tips! [17 Sep 2009 21:59]Revolve

Well I attached links to few tut here on THW and to their Authors!
Some are easy some are for advanced users!

Some have little to do with terrain some much more!
Pls at least scroll down each one just to check pictures!

If you really want to learn how to terrain, check also other sites like
http://world-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/
http://www.wc3c.net/
and others...

Open maps, check terrain contest etc etc, check terrain board and people showcases, explore user albums, search Hive... You can always ask some user for help, join to Chat room sometimes (http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/apps.php?p=gochat)

2 Much work to do right...

Triggers:

Instead of few setup triggers use only 1:

• hide
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0101 <gen>
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0099 <gen>
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0098 <gen>
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0100 <gen>
    • Item - Hide Supplies 0103 <gen>
    • Item - Hide Supplies 0102 <gen>

+

• Untitled Trigger 001
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Visibility - Create an initially Enabled visibility modifier for Player 1 (Red) emitting Visibility across seehere <gen>

+
few more
=

• :P
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0101 <gen>
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0099 <gen>
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0098 <gen>
    • Unit - Hide CItizen 0100 <gen>
    • Item - Hide Supplies 0103 <gen>
    • Item - Hide Supplies 0102 <gen>
    • Visibility - Create an initially Enabled visibility modifier for Player 1 (Red) emitting Visibility across seehere <gen>
    • ....
    • Custom script: call DestroyTrigger( GetTriggeringTrigger() )

Custom script used here will remove whole trigger after all actions.

Click again

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/trigger-gui-editor-tutorials-279/
I want to say that I posted only GUI tutorials that can be found on THW you can also visit many other sites like wc3c or the helper net etc etc...

Memory Leaks:

WRONG

• pats1
  • Events
    • Time - Elapsed game time is 50.00 seconds
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit Group - Order (Units in patters1 <gen>) to Patrol To (Center of pat1 <gen>)
    • Unit Group - Order (Units in patters2 <gen>) to Patrol To (Center of pat2 <gen>)
    • Unit Group - Order (Units in patters3 <gen>) to Patrol To (Center of pat3 <gen>)

GOOD

• pats1
  • Events
    • Time - Elapsed game time is 50.00 seconds
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set p[1] = (Center of pat1 <gen>)
    • Set p[2] = (Center of pat2 <gen>)
    • Set p[3] = (Center of pat3 <gen>)
    • -------- ------ --------
    • Unit Group - Order (Units in patters1 <gen>) to Patrol To p[1]
    • Unit Group - Order (Units in patters2 <gen>) to Patrol To p[2]
    • Unit Group - Order (Units in patters3 <gen>) to Patrol To p[3]
    • -------- ------ --------
    • For each (Integer i) from 1 to 3, do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_p[udg_i])
    • Custom script: call DestroyTrigger( GetTriggeringTrigger() )

Map has 2 many memory leaks, check tutorials above

How you used Import Manager:

Models are small sized and that's k, but where is loading screen, map preview, icons and so on

How you used Object Editor:

Really poor, if I decide to help you working on map I will need like 2 hours only to find where is what created (Imagine situation with 2x units, or more).
Learn to organize things, example:
All related to zombies can be classified as undead from units to buffs and skills.

How you used Sound Editor:

You didn't.

Gameplay:

Really poor, there is no hint's how to play game at all, game is really boring, you control like 10 bases at same time, zombies are really hard to kill and there are like 20 times more zombies that humans.

No game modes.
No difficulties.
Few special events.
No scoreboard/multiboard.
No hints, quests, suggestions...
No items, custom abilities and so on....
Only 1 hero to play with (no abilities, bad stats and so on)...

Sorry map is really bad, there are errors everywhere and I show you above only some main problems! I will rate it with 1/5 and set status to rejected.

If you improve map just update this one, it will be checked once again!

Have a nice day.

 

[Slayer14]

A zombie map? Sounds like it could be kind of interesting.

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Tested it out and, well, take a look at my review below.

A Slayer Review: Zombie Holdout

Good Points The custom models were nice, well the one of the Barracks was anyway. Bad Points When the game started, my camera was not centered on my Hero. Kind of chaotic at the beginning. Didn't really know what is going on. I disliked the ammo system you had. It was just Searing Arrows and it was not automatcally activated and there were a lot of Marines who used it. Your only Hero is a supply bot. Don't know if that is your main unit or what. There are 2 quests and neither one tell you how to play. You should also add a quest that tells how to play rather than just having all of that information in the loading screen. I don't know what the Citizens are good for. They have the "Repair" ability and that's it. If you can't use them in anyway to help you, then maybe you should have them computer-controlled instead of having them controlled by the player. There are just too many units owned by the player scattered out all over the map. You should make them computer-controlled as well. About 2-3 minutes after game start, the Zombies just stand there and do nothing. It takes about 10 minutes before they attack. And even then, I think Zombies are just created and ordered to attack the base, am I right? Look at this screenshot. What is that? What is the purpose of this area? After the Zombies came, there were so many of them, they just wiped me out within less than a minute. The map is only for one player. Bugs Did not find any bugs. Overall Opinion Overall, I disliked this map for all of my above "Bad Points." However, I will offer you some suggestions. I think you should make a Hero for the player to play and maybe make the map for at least 2-4 players. Just about every map is funner to play when your playing with your friends. Gameplay was also dull, could be improved a lot. Take a look some of the other "Zombie-type" maps on the Hive. Most of them are pretty good. Sadly, this map doesn't really come close to any of those already hear. Hope you try to improve it a little. Based on this review, I will be giving you a [highlight]1/5[/code].

EDIT:
Darn, he beat me to it... Wow... by 16 minutes... I guess I should have refreshed the page first to see if it got rejected yet. Well, there's my review and suggestions anyway. Happy mapping!