Beyond the Throne: Tides of Darkness

Kam · Jul 3, 2009

Yes, it would allow you to have cheaper but still worth while melee units late game, sort of an alternative to going "all-in" with Paladins and Magis.

I should point out that with the Seed, there are tiers but their aren't tech 1,2,3 units. They are all available from the start and receive upgrades as a whole. The race is limited by how well you run your harvesters.

Here's the model thread with the models I need edited: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/requests-341/starcraft-model-edits-132754/

supertoinkz · Jul 4, 2009

legionnaire? um....

Orc Overlord by frost wold

Chaos Waarlock Green by Dojo

Orc Warrrior by Captain Jack

Orc Warlord by Max666

Starcraft models Kam wanted

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ill give it a try

VeljkoM · Jul 4, 2009

Won;t all this models make map even larger? I know that limit is 4MB but it takes for ever to download it in game.

Kam · Jul 4, 2009

With nothing compressed it's a 700 kb increase. So we're looking at about 450 kb with everything included.

xvarts · Jul 10, 2009

is it a mod or map or both

VeljkoM · Jul 10, 2009

It's a map.

Kam · Jul 14, 2009

New version is up and a new map is out as well, both links are in the OP.

supertoinkz · Jul 15, 2009

when you'll released it?

Kam · Jul 21, 2009

Beta Seed

This is the very early Beta Seed. It's really just a platform at this point, none of the tooltips are in and many icons are incorrect.

Play as Green and put on a few AI's to get a feel.

Mainly I'm having trouble getting a passive aura UI spell that regrows trees and getting the birth FX to show up on constructing structures.

Any ability suggestions are welcome, but please note this is a GUI only map now, I won't be relying on any third party applications or systems that are patch specific.

There are 12 units including the Terra, which doubles as the resource drop off point.

VeljkoM · Jul 21, 2009

I played it and it was hard. I was able to kill human easy because he didn't make units but orc normal was another story. It took me some time to get to know units but generally they all were week.

Defiler who only has strong attack has 100hp. The big bug (husk or something) is durable but because of siege attack Ogres clobbered them easily and trolls mad short work of my army since they have big attack and range and not to mention latter death knights and necrolytes. Also their hero was a big plus. My advantage is that I only needed lumber and units don't use food. With Brood lords i was able to control them all but still small space was big problem. The eggs from that screaming unit were useless because they need tine to grow and after that die after 20 sec. Impalers created me so many workers that i had over 60 (forest was crying!). Maybe units need more poison attacks or at least one strong unit against knights and ogres.

Kam · Jul 21, 2009

Thank you for the response.

The general idea here is to make a huge army. The weakness of the units require that you make many more, the screen shot above shows how many you must make to equal one of the orc/human units.

The tree thing is a problem, but the Tera is meant to have an ability that passively regrows trees. The idea is to strip harvest a section of forest and then build your base within and regrow a ring of trees around it. The Broodlord will have transport capacity as well. The Drudges will have an increased lifespan, probably 60 seconds and will be controllable by the Broodlord as well.

Defilers are meant as base harassment and unit production disruption. You have to imagine perhaps 20 or 30 of them rushing a base, nothing would be able to be built/repaired.

The Striker is meant to be the ogre/knight counter and will have a powerful stinging attack eventually.

Keep the ideas coming.

VeljkoM · Jul 21, 2009

I like the idea of this race and I am surprised that it is still lower than 3mb.

Trees were quickly cut by my 60 workers so there really must be regrown ability. Also maybe you should make infest gold mine ability since seed doesn't need it. Defiler should have at least 150hp. I kinda more used them to poison first line attackers.

The stingers have ability to spawn workers (and then workers spawn even more workers) from corpses and poison but very low speed. Also they need some kind of infesting casting unit as spell caster.

The seed base should have defensive mechanism like human have militia and orcs have burrows. Something like short living mind worm attackers that are spawned from main building?

Also could you give the big bug unit a spike shell so it could return damage? (just an idea)

What will you do for upgrades? Maybe give them speed upgrade or production upgrade.

Kam · Jul 22, 2009

Spiked Carapace for Beast and Hulsk, standard armor upgrade for combat units, poison attack for Striker, Spawn Drudges for town hall, Spawn Spiderlings for Hunter (upon death)

That's what I have so far.

supertoinkz · Jul 22, 2009

Hello, does this race will have naval?

Kam · Jul 22, 2009

No, I'm going to use the Broodlord as a anti-naval unit. It will call for something like a kraken to appear.

Did you ever re-texture the NE base?

supertoinkz · Jul 23, 2009

I forgot to try this thing

VeljkoM · Jul 30, 2009

When finished seed will be best race. Altho their units are far to week compared to Orcs and Humans the speed and not to mention number makes up for it. Also without brood lords I don't think any one could use this race.

Kam · Jul 30, 2009

I'm pretty much done now, I'll be doing some play testing with my friends this weekend and then release it.

VeljkoM · Jul 30, 2009

Can't wait to see complete Seed race. It is fun to swarm poor orcs and humans with millions bugs.

rcshaggy · Jul 30, 2009

Looks sweet.
I'm a big fan of the Warcraft II Saga so I'll try this out man.

Kam · Aug 6, 2009

New Seed test map is out, check it out and give me feedback.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-race-feedback-126945/index4.html#post1254723

Kam · Aug 21, 2009

Update again, could use feedback. Links to suggested spells or balance suggestions are crucial.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/idea-factory-462/nerubian-race-feedback-126945/index7.html

VeljkoM · Aug 21, 2009

I can't even start this map. Is it for 1.24?

Kam · Aug 21, 2009

Yes, it shoud work fine if you have the latest patch. It may crash randomly though due to the instability of 1.24.

VeljkoM · Aug 21, 2009

I have it but there are no player slots. I tried both 1.23 and 1.24 version but still nothing. I also tried some 1.24 version only maps to see if they work and they did so I have no idea why my Warcraft can't read your map.

Kam · Aug 21, 2009

It seems to be a bug with the map optimizer, I'll have to talk to Vex about it. Sorry.

VeljkoM · Aug 21, 2009

Maybe it is me since nobody else have this problem.

Kam · Aug 26, 2009

No I havent given up, I'm hoping the patch today will help things. Here's a screenshot of some progress I've been making. You could say there has been a radical altering of the way you progress in siege units.

Also, each race now has a experimental super-weapon that only one can be built of. This screen is the human and orc weapons.

In addition this also shows the new system I'm using. The Airship is a replacement for the Battleship; meaning you have to decide if you want that or the naval ship. There are substantial prices to pay in terms of unit stats but you gain flight.

supertoinkz · Aug 26, 2009

NAVAL!!!
It would be good if its naval

Also nice ideas on ulti-unit
you can use the carts from the Azeroth Race (the orc and dwarf carts)

BlackKnightTGS · Nov 14, 2009

Excellent maps! I hope you make some more :thumbs_up:

Delterius · Nov 14, 2009

Kam, I wonder. Is this project dead? It would be unfortunate.

Kam · Nov 14, 2009

Hell no. I'm I'll be releasing the next version here in a few days.

Delterius · Nov 15, 2009

Oh great! Sad thing I can't help to test it properly, every warcraft 3 player I knew retired a few days - weeks after I got to know your conversion =/

Kam · Nov 29, 2009

So I just thought I'd let everyone know I've been set back by the recent issues with newgen and pjass and the update.

I've become frustrated by the lack of updates and support for newgen, so I'm replacing or converting all spells to GUI.

I've looked through all the GUI spells here, so if you have any suggestions I'd love to have them.

[K40$]-Spectre · Nov 30, 2009

Wow, still working on it eh? Nice improvements, especially the AI, much better than the one I made for you then

. Could I get some models out your map (or maybe you know where I can find them)? I need the Orc Blacksmith, Gnomisch Inventor, Ogre Mound, Dragonroost and Death Knight models. I would be darn grateful if you could help me find them.

Kam · Nov 30, 2009

Yes, when I get around to releasing this next version I'll include some of the models.

[K40$]-Spectre · Nov 30, 2009

Yes, when I get around to releasing this next version I'll include some of the models.

, thanks, I really appreciate it

[K40$]-Spectre · Dec 6, 2009

When will you release your next version?

Kam · Dec 6, 2009

I'll release it tonight.

Kam · Dec 7, 2009

New version up.

I'd love to get your feedback on the Seed!

[K40$]-Spectre · Dec 7, 2009

New version up.

I'd love to get your feedback on the Seed!

, original and cool race,feels different and unique. I've some suggestions for it: (correct me if I'm wrong) since the only way to train Harvesters is to generate them from a corpse, in the beginning you may have to kill an unit you own to generate a harvester, so you'll to use other units you own to kill the unit, why not give every Seed unit a "kill this unit" ability. Second, I recommend you to use nerubian structures instead of zerg buildings because their colors match the Seed units and I think it will reduce the map file size. Btw, could I've those warcraft 2 models I asked for?

Kam · Dec 7, 2009

I didn't use Nerubian structures because I didn't want buildings in the traditional sense. This race is supposed to be "of the earth;" if you ever saw an anime called Blue Seed that is where the idea for this race came from.

The models you asked for are attached; I don't use a mound model in my map though.

VeljkoM · Dec 7, 2009

Well Seed are more unique but aren't units with Hp 4000 little to much? I just made two Husks, one Stalker and Widow and sent them on orcs. Then I use Husks entangle and game crashed. Also scorpion units are going in front despite being ranged.

I see you changed many things like removing invisibility and made it harder to make workers. But I kinda liked old ones since units were weaker and smaller and greener.

Kam · Dec 7, 2009

You are only meant to have a few of those units, so most likely they will be seeing significant lumber cost increases.

If the game crashed and you got a memory reference error, that's not that map.

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20656

VeljkoM · Dec 7, 2009

Well my warcraft crashed when I used that ability.

Also those units kinda kill the "mass smaller units" idea now. Maybe they should use food?

[K40$]-Spectre · Dec 7, 2009

The models you asked for are attached; I don't use a mound model in my map though.

, thanks, cool models

[K40$]-Spectre · Dec 7, 2009

Kam, which path need I give to the Dragon Roost model to let it show it's teamcolor? I now have set the paths to textures\ and it works except for the teamcolor.

Kam · Dec 7, 2009

I had forgotten I had someone alter the model as the original does not have TC.

Also again if that is the crash error you got it's not map related, you should go through the steps in the link provided.

textures\dragonrider_helm.blp
textures\dragonroostnew.blp
DragonRoost.mdx

VeljkoM · Dec 7, 2009

Well no crashes now so sorry.

Also you mentioned something about AI getting corpses right? Well you already set it to auto cast so you'll probably just have to make attack group containing drones or big bugs. The problem is that they'll be probably killed.

Delterius · Dec 10, 2009

The seed are interesting but shouldn't there be a limit to the number of harvesters? Its easy to get more than a hundred of them.

Kam said:
You are only meant to have a few of those units, so most likely they will be seeing significant lumber cost increases.

If the game crashed and you got a memory reference error, that's not that map.

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20656

Are you sure this is the case? Your map is the only one that crashes my game.

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