thanks for the help, i have seen that tutorial before and im horrible at vertex and faces, i cant seem to make them look the way i want. so i have been using primitives. if anything ill delete everything but the hat and try to make the rest out of faces.
*edit* its 396 polys so far... so yeah a bit much for only being that far. alright, ill work harder on it and hopefully get some updates soon.
*edit* i could delete a bunch of faces on and then rework them for a lower polycount.
*edit* ok i redid it like was suggested, this is the part i usually get stuck on, i get confused with all the verts and have a hard time building off of it.