what do you think of the new lurker

[andreasaspenberg]

i think that it is ugly.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Then it's made successful.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I think it was never finished, like it was axed during the beta or slightly before beta (when graphics were improved).

Oh... It was...

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the lurker is in the game. i have added it to a map myself so i know. the hydralisk ability to transform into lurkers is also present.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Yes, however the art was not subject to the final graphic revisions that all other used art went through. As such its quality slightly mismatches other zerg units, like the orignal infestor model.

I remember hearing that it got axed somewhere between internal alpha testing and the public beta launch. Thus why it is so complete yet never used.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

could be that is somewhere in the campaign.

 

[PurplePoot]

could be that is somewhere in the campaign.

Not unless it's an easter egg.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I suspect the lurker will probably get some tuning up for HotS, as eithor a melee unit (probably not) or atleast as a capaign unit like wraiths, goliath, vultures, science vessles were in WoL.

If blizzard decided to save it for HotS, it would explain its lack of appearence in both campaign and melee despite being largly functional. Thus the lurker we have is the left overs from early development rather than a finished unit like the terran units I mentioned.

Afterall, if blizzard gave us most of the protoss and zerg units in WoL, why bother getting the expansions...

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the expansion could add completely new units.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Designing new units is not an easy task....

 

[Tyranid]

I suspect the lurker will probably get some tuning up for HotS, as eithor a melee unit (probably not) or atleast as a capaign unit like wraiths, goliath, vultures, science vessles were in WoL.

If blizzard decided to save it for HotS, it would explain its lack of appearence in both campaign and melee despite being largly functional. Thus the lurker we have is the left overs from early development rather than a finished unit like the terran units I mentioned.

Afterall, if blizzard gave us most of the protoss and zerg units in WoL, why bother getting the expansions...

The Lurker was cut from the game because Blizzard felt it was underused in beta. We'll see if it will be retooled in HOTS. a Campaign appearance atleast is very likely.

 

[Dr Super Good]

That does not explain why it was not in the campaign. Additionally I played the beta and it most certainly was not in it.

 

[PurplePoot]

The lurker wouldn't really fulfill a role in SC2 so there's no reason to have it.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Yes however, neithor did the brutalisk or scurge and both appeared in the campaign.

 

[RegisteredID]

the brutalisk was in the campaign. twice. 1 in the secret mission and the other during the mission where you had to collect gold minerals for that spectre dude

EDIT: the one that was not use was th flying thing... it's called the swarm guardian in the desert strike map

 

[Hawkwing]

The Brutalisk shows up in "The Moebius Factor" as well.

I think the Lurker looks fine. To be honest I've never noticed any graphical flaws with it, but I've only used it a couple times so I guess I haven't developed much of an opinion.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Aren't they just a mixture of models? The brutalisk, leviathan not really a model?

 

[andreasaspenberg]

i use the lurker in my maps. it works perfectly. though it isnt in any tech tree so i had to add the lurker and the lurker den to the tech tree. the lurker den is an upgrade to the hydralisk den.

 

[PurplePoot]

Aren't they just a mixture of models? The brutalisk, leviathan not really a model?

No, they are actually models. So is Terra-tron, although the model is obviously largely bits of existing Terran buildings.

 

[Tyranid]

That does not explain why it was not in the campaign. Additionally I played the beta and it most certainly was not in it.

Sorry yeah, I was abit wrong. It was removed a bit before the beta, because it was underutilized in internal testings.

 

[Darkness-4ever]

It's understandable why, the hydralisk ended up being moved to Lair tech, so in turn, one would assume that Lurker would then move up to Hive tech, and at that point the Lurker doesn't seem worthy of its place in the tech tree when compared to the other Hive tech units.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The question still is, why did it not make atleast 1 appearence in the campaign, especially on char on brutal they could have had 1 or 2 to make progression harder as they are invisible.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

the lurker could have been lair just like the hydralisk, with the lurker den being the requirement to get it.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Yes but by the time you upgraded to a lurker den, ever one and their pet has detection thus making them pretty usless.

Remember that they are just a powerful tower, they can not move underground and take many seconds to burry.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

No there is another reason why not lurker - a n additional unit means also an additional terran and protoss unit. Which Terran and Protoss unit?

 

[mrzwach]

The lurker's role has already been fulfilled by other units so no. >_>

 

[PrisonLove]

The Lurker was cut from the game because Blizzard felt it was underused in beta. We'll see if it will be retooled in HOTS. a Campaign appearance atleast is very likely.

The Lurker was not in the beta. I was a participant in beta and I can tell you for 100% it was not there. It was cut slightly before the Beta because Blizzard felt its role overlapped with that of the Baneling. Go search on the Battle.net forums, you'll find this posted over 1,000 times and 2,000 more posts asking why it isn't in the game.

 

[Tyranid]

The Lurker was not in the beta. I was a participant in beta and I can tell you for 100% it was not there. It was cut slightly before the Beta because Blizzard felt its role overlapped with that of the Baneling. Go search on the Battle.net forums, you'll find this posted over 1,000 times and 2,000 more posts asking why it isn't in the game.

I already corrected my error:

Sorry yeah, I was abit wrong. It was removed a bit before the beta, because it was underutilized in internal testings.

As for why they were cut from the campaign, my best guess would be that Blizzard didn't really find a role or spot for them. Also, if I remember, correct all (or atleast most) units in the campaign get some sort of introduction, even a little one. Blizzard probably didn't find a mission for the Lurker or something. Yeah this is pretty far fetched.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I still think the unit lost support for WoL thus why it did not appear in the campaign and why its art is not as well tuned as other zerg. I would not be suprized if the lurker is a constructable unit in the campaign of HotS and that it will come with slightly altered art.

Additionally, to increase its usability from defensive and pushing roles, the campaign could allow it to move while burrowed. Afterall, in the WoL campaign they did permit ghosts and spectres to cloak indefinatly which made some missions too easy (remove detectors with blast, win).

 

[PurplePoot]

Lurkers moving while burrowed would be silly and just make them AoE DTs. The mechanic isn't unique/interesting any more if it's functionally equivalent to cloak.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

LIke dont you want to make lurkers moving and attacking too ? Not just moving burrowed

 

[Dr Super Good]

PurplePoot, I meant it for the HotS campaign as a sort of mutation that would be aquireable. Just like how in WoL you could get ghosts and spectres to cloak with no energy drain.

Obviously not for melee, as since when did ghosts not use energy to cloak in that.

 

[PurplePoot]

I realize, and I think it would be silly.

 

[andreasaspenberg]

i guess that the best way to add the lurker would be to move the hydralisk to tech 1. guess that i will do that in my map.

 

[PurplePoot]

This just in: Protoss loses every PvZ ever to 1base Hydra all in.

 

[Statharas]

the brutalisk was in the campaign. twice. 1 in the secret mission and the other during the mission where you had to collect gold minerals for that spectre dude

EDIT: the one that was not use was th flying thing... it's called the swarm guardian in the desert strike map

No, lemme note some stuff for you. The brutalisk is in the mineral gathering mission, the one that kerrigan attacks the databanks, trying to find the location of the artifact's pieces, and the secret mission. Also, the Swarm Guardian WAS in the game, in the "The lost Viking" arcade game.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Swarm Guardian is in LV but is the same as Leviathan that appears in 'Shatter the Sky' and 'All in' if you choose to eliminate the worms which I didnt. Brutalisk appears in the 3 missions you mentioned yes.

 

[RegisteredID]

No, lemme note some stuff for you. The brutalisk is in the mineral gathering mission, the one that kerrigan attacks the databanks, trying to find the location of the artifact's pieces, and the secret mission. Also, the Swarm Guardian WAS in the game, in the "The lost Viking" arcade game.

yea i forgot about kerrigan attacking the databanks...

well.. technically the swarm guardian it was not part of the campaign. But since LV was part of the campaign in some ways... yea then.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Yes...

 

[KaboomMaster]

I could only imagine the zerg player whining that would come from the lurker being added as is to melee in HotS.

"It's too weak!"
"I'ts a waste for the zerg tech tree!"
"Blizzard is nerfing zerg!"

It would turn into the exact opposite of the reaper.