Warcraft: Orcs and Humans

[supertoinkz]

well, if anyone sees that I use the alphabet as my version, Z is final

so we got moar to come ^^
any ideas to the road system?

 

[Thazrog]

I just dislike the fact that u used a normal war3 map, you couldve made a much nicer war2 theme if u just made a nice attempt at doing ur own terraining

DL'ed it and Played it myself now, and I think its pretty nice --- I just think its incredibly lame that the catapult does 255 damage, 1 catapult bullet takes out half an army...

 

[Trilby]

I just dislike the fact that u used a normal war3 map, you couldve made a much nicer war2 theme if u just made a nice attempt at doing ur own terraining

DL'ed it and Played it myself now, and I think its pretty nice --- I just think its incredibly lame that the catapult does 255 damage, 1 catapult bullet takes out half an army...

Catapults where that deadly back then. Half an entire army could be wiped out by those things.

 

[Thazrog]

well Im freaken happy its not like that anymore, coz its kinda lame

 

[Trilby]

lol me too
But wc2 being mah first warcraft game, I got used to that kind of danger.

 

[slake]

your map is awesome but you should rename the archer to a crosbowman because he has no bow, the mud golem has if I remember well about 13 damage is that ok because they pawned my armie and the water elemental has like 40 damage and 250 hitpoints and the daemon has 65 damage and 300 hitpoints and I was thinking shouldnt you balance that, and I havent played war1 but why cant you build walls with the builders and the heroes have like 6 damage and 150hp so that makes them weak , I only dont like the damage tought/
anyway thank you for your eforts of making this game so great 5/5
oh and what is a road system and can you make a custom map with one pasage because I hate to play maps with 2 or more because i dont have to worry with the enemy geting me from behind

 

[Trilby]

your map is awesome but you should rename the archer to a crosbowman They were called Archers in wc1, though I'm not against renaming them. because he has no bow, the mud golem has if I remember well about 13 damage is that ok because they pawned my armie huge armies dude and the water elemental has like 40 damage and 250 hitpoints and the daemon has 65 damage and 300 hitpoints and I was thinking shouldnt you balance that,Daemons are more powerful and slower, while water elementals are weaker but faster and ranged. and I havent played war1 but why cant you build walls with the builders Because it was like that in war1 :3 and the heroes have like 6 damage and 150hp so that makes them weak Huge armies dude., I only dont like the damage tought/
anyway thank you for your eforts of making this game so great 5/5
oh and what is a road system and can you make a custom map with one pasage because I hate to play maps with 2 or more because i dont have to worry with the enemy geting me from behind

mah responses in bold

 

[BlackKnightTGS]

Cool map! But I found a bug. The poison cloud ability has "p" as its hotkey, and "p' is already in use for the patrol. :\

 

[putoconcarne]

Is it me or is the lumber collection rate really slow? I tested it and it's about 2 lumber collected per hit and the maximum capacity is 100. So that's like what, 50 hits per trip? O_O

 

[Trilby]

Is it me or is the lumber collection rate really slow? I tested it and it's about 2 lumber collected per hit and the maximum capacity is 100. So that's like what, 50 hits per trip? O_O

Oh wow, I just noticed that D:

 

[slake]

hey i know you can balance them further by making the water elementals damage magic and with the daemons heavy armor they are going to hit more against them, i dont see any diference between there atack rates tought
and game gets kinda lagy with the huge armies dude so I think you could make(only a sugestion) like the raiders 2 food, catapult 2, warlock 2(only want to help because your map is awesome)

 

[Trilby]

and game gets kinda lagy with the huge armies dude so I think you could make(only a sugestion) like the raiders 2 food, catapult 2, warlock 2(only want to help because your map is awesome)

._.
I din't mean REALLY huge armies. I meant about two squads of soldiers (preferably raiders and spearmen with daemons )
And the food thing...eh, I can't say.

 

[supertoinkz]

the lumber harvest is like that in wc1, maybe i'll raise the attack rate of the worker

@blacknight, tnx, will fix it

 

[CloudMax]

the lumber harvest is like that in wc1, maybe i'll raise the attack rate of the worker

@blacknight, tnx, will fix it

You have to hit 50 times to get lumber one time in wc1? :O
sounds weird to me

 

[supertoinkz]

its 55 hits in wc1 and the capacity is 100
I set it to 50 hits coz i can't get the equation D:

 

[CloudMax]

Wow.. i had forgot how weird the old game was..
A catapult could KO like everything.. those weird roads you had to build...
Smashing on a tree like forever...

 

[supertoinkz]

Oo

models made:
H. Blacksmith
H. Church
H. Mill

 

[Trilby]

Cool
But in wc1, they cut down like 5 trees at a time D:
EDIT: Made a replay
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=u0rmyu
I only won because in the second half of the game, the AI only sent only a footman and an archer D:

 

[supertoinkz]

yeah, I got problems with the Human AI :C

about the trees: 5 trees = to one ^^

 

[CloudMax]

yeah, I got problems with the Human AI :C

about the trees: 5 trees = to one ^^

Just set the trees life to 1/5 health and they will cut down 5 tree's insted of one?

 

[supertoinkz]

well in wc1, its "Bunch" of tress not single tree
so 1 bunch is equivalent to a single tree

 

[Trilby]

You might wanna fix the credits on something:
The Orc Blacksmith was made by RedXIII, but it was rejected some time ago.

 

[supertoinkz]

okay, ^^
i think next ver will be in thursday

 

[Trilby]

I look forward to it.

 

[supertoinkz]

guys, sorry but I was tooo retarded and lazy to continue making the models >.>
So, this might be the final version (or until I found a way out to make the roads)

 

[Trilby]

Aw, D;

 

[Leubast]

Great map! you could change a few of the voices such as: change the orc spearman to 'Grom' and change the Human Archer (maybe a name change to 'Crossbow man) voice so he doesn't talk about a 'boomstick' lol. Other tan that good job 4/5

 

[Jargalhurts]

Awesome map, but why did you added a custom model for the Knight?
wc1 knight pretty much looks like the wc3 knight.
And in the description it says knight uses swords and lances, but the custom model knight uses a warhammer.
You should change that.

Also necrolytes and warlocks look too similiar.
I bet there's a lot of orcish warlock and necromancer models on Hive

 

[supertoinkz]

Lol sorry bout that, but I lose the unprotected map of this, so I can't update it anymore. Lol phail me.

 

[Jargalhurts]

you could use this: http://deprotect.nathanmx.com/

 

[Zanursic]

Make a campaign Warcraft 2 missions try to remake them. I would love that

 

[Zanursic]

Echo Echo Echo

 

[CloudMax]

You do not have to double post, you better remove the second post you made Zanursic.
And yeah, a warcraft 2 campaign could be nice

 

[supertoinkz]

Well about those campaigns.
First of all, LordPerenolde already made a Wc1 campaign, both human and orcs.
Second, Linaze and his team is making the wc2 orc campaign.
Third, viktor is making wc2 human campaign.

D:

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Well about those campaigns.
First of all, LordPerenolde already made a Wc1 campaign, both human and orcs.
Second, Linaze and his team is making the wc2 orc campaign.
Third, viktor is making wc2 human campaign.

D:

Yeah, WE should all unify efforts(that means YOU as well, boy).
I gave you a bunch of wc sounds as you asked me some time ago, where is my nickname in the credits? You just picked the sounds and went off without even saying thanks: i can't find the appropriate word with which to call you after that; even after i knew that you did the same with viktor: he's gone mad after seeing you no longer answered him.

Sorry, but i didn't download, voted or plaid this map.

 

[supertoinkz]

I didn't even used the sounds >_>
and I don't even know why viktor's angry at me

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Talk to him then. Sorry again for being OT here.

 

[DestroyerOfTime]

It suck, 1/5

I can't believe you made a terrible map from a great game. It's like those gay altered melee maps who does not have anything in it, just models. I mean i'd rather play the regular melee map than this crap, there is no difference and the regular map has MUCH MORE creative units.

 

[Tleno]

It suck, 1/5

I can't believe you made a terrible map from a great game. It's like those gay altered melee maps who does not have anything in it, just models. I mean i'd rather play the regular melee map than this crap, there is no difference and the regular map has MUCH MORE creative units.

Don't you think that you're a bit too harsh?
You should be more constructive while you're beeing just plain offensive...

This is the recreation of the Warcraft I, that explains why it has units so limited...

 

[supertoinkz]

I might update this shit with better resources. Lolololol.

 

[keromaro]

nice units

 

[deepstrasz]

-it doesn't feel like Warcraft to start with a hero and a 1st tier unit
-creeps aren't that needed if the heroes can't level up their spells. Plus the orc and human heroes have the same spells
-a normal aspect of a Warcraft III techtree wouldn't hurt. Don't tell me about the Wc:O&H feel because then you'd need roads and buildings able to be constructed only near them
-the Necrolyte and the Warlock almost look the same

I'm not saying the concept is bad, but it isn't that interesting.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Damn i would pay GOLD to have this map unlocked so i can implement this road system into my wc1 remake's final update. It is the only thing missing, every piece of the puzzle is in place.
Supertoinkz already told me(loooooooooooooooooooooooong ago) that he doesn't have the unlocked map, otherwise he could have shared that with me when i asked.
Can anyone do something about it? Is it that difficult?

 

[deepstrasz]

Can anyone do something about it? Is it that difficult?

Try searching about opening protected maps on the net.

 

[Mechanical Man]

Yes, but it will end with incomprehensible gibberish, if you have the skill to read that, you have skill to make one.

 

[supertoinkz]

-it doesn't feel like Warcraft to start with a hero and a 1st tier unit
-creeps aren't that needed if the heroes can't level up their spells. Plus the orc and human heroes have the same spells
-a normal aspect of a Warcraft III techtree wouldn't hurt. Don't tell me about the Wc:O&H feel because then you'd need roads and buildings able to be constructed only near them
-the Necrolyte and the Warlock almost look the same

I'm not saying the concept is bad, but it isn't that interesting.

Hey now, the map is 6+ years old and Idon't remember why the non-WC1 stuff are in the map lol

I planned to revive this project alongside a Warcraft 2 project I was making sometime during 2013 as some sort of 'comeback' to the Warcraft 3 modding scene.

The Warcraft 2 project was going to be an elaborate one, using the same mechanics such as stats, speeds, spells, etc. as the original game. I had completed the Human faction, but got stuck with finding or making an oil-resource system. I just can't find one that will take powerbuilding into account.

Here is the spreadsheet used for the project. It will be confusing without the comments, but still...NUMBERS! MATH! SPREADSHEETS! woohoo!

Warcraft 1 is a lot simpler to make. It has less units and buildings. It doesn't have a third resource in it and runs completely on gold and lumber. I could've worked on it but I didn't (and I still don't) have a road system back then.

I still want to remake this map so bad. If I could just get my hands on something as juicy as Dawn of Chaos' road system hahaha

 

[LordPerenolde II]

I meant "wall system", not "road system".

It doesn't have a third resource in it and runs completely on gold and lumber.

So does wc3. Then what?

 

[Mechanical Man]

So does wc3. Then what?

He was refering to wc2 of having third resource.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

He was refering to wc2 of having third resource.

i know but he named wc1 as "easier" to do because it doesn't have a third resource. Neither wc3 has a third resource. Is the fact that wc2 has a third resource what makes it harder to recreate?

 

[warcraftmodding123]

Could you please make the crossbow footman available for download?