Uprising

[Moderator]

08:23, 30th May 2013
Orcnet: Hell_Master's review:

Hello, there. I have tested and played your map for a little while and I must say you have lots of things to fix and I think is not yet approvable. But you are near on the path of Approval so dont worry.

[+] Good Points:
-Map has required resources:

• Gold Mines
• Goblin Labaratory
• Goblin Merchant
• Addionatal Waygates

-I like the ideas of the Waygates

[-] Bad Points:
-Terrain looks decent but you have problems. I suggest dont mix manmade tiles with environment tiles, Terrain is empty at many points but in others looks just fine and detailed enough... fill it up with more doodads that bestly fits, and putting trees in manmade tiles looks really off and weird.
-Player Positioning looks bad. Dont make two players share positions. What would happen if these two players were enemies?
-Building Positioning looks so random. Try making a pattern and it will look better.
-Is it my eyes tricking me but I think there are quite few creeps but If my eyes are just tricking. Ignore this.

[] Suggestions:
-Improve the terrains. Tips were given above!
-Fix the player positioning.
-Make the building position form a pattern in the map maybe a cross or something. Looks better that way.

Overall, quite a decent melee map with decent terrain but still with many flaws and bad positionings of players and random building positionings. I would rate this 3/5 but voting for Pending until you improved the map.

Happy Mapmaking!

 

[Binsu]

Hello, there. I have tested and played your map for a little while and I must say you have lots of things to fix and I think is not yet approvable. But you are near on the path of Approval so dont worry.

[+] Good Points:
-Map has required resources:

• Gold Mines
• Goblin Labaratory
• Goblin Merchant
• Addionatal Waygates

-I like the ideas of the Waygates

[-] Bad Points:
-Terrain looks decent but you have problems. I suggest dont mix manmade tiles with environment tiles, Terrain is empty at many points but in others looks just fine and detailed enough... fill it up with more doodads that bestly fits, and putting trees in manmade tiles looks really off and weird.
-Player Positioning looks bad. Dont make two players share positions. What would happen if these two players were enemies?
-Building Positioning looks so random. Try making a pattern and it will look better.
-Is it my eyes tricking me but I think there are quite few creeps but If my eyes are just tricking. Ignore this.

[] Suggestions:
-Improve the terrains. Tips were given above!
-Fix the player positioning.
-Make the building position form a pattern in the map maybe a cross or something. Looks better that way.

Overall, quite a decent melee map with decent terrain but still with many flaws and bad positionings of players and random building positionings. I would rate this 3/5 but voting for Pending until you improved the map.

Happy Mapmaking!

 

[normalice]

Hello, there. I have tested and played your map for a little while and I must say you have lots of things to fix and I think is not yet approvable. But you are near on the path of Approval so dont worry.

[+] Good Points:
-Map has required resources:

• Gold Mines
• Goblin Labaratory
• Goblin Merchant
• Addionatal Waygates

-I like the ideas of the Waygates

[-] Bad Points:
-Terrain looks decent but you have problems. I suggest dont mix manmade tiles with environment tiles, Terrain is empty at many points but in others looks just fine and detailed enough... fill it up with more doodads that bestly fits, and putting trees in manmade tiles looks really off and weird.
-Player Positioning looks bad. Dont make two players share positions. What would happen if these two players were enemies?
-Building Positioning looks so random. Try making a pattern and it will look better.
-Is it my eyes tricking me but I think there are quite few creeps but If my eyes are just tricking. Ignore this.

[] Suggestions:
-Improve the terrains. Tips were given above!
-Fix the player positioning.
-Make the building position form a pattern in the map maybe a cross or something. Looks better that way.

Overall, quite a decent melee map with decent terrain but still with many flaws and bad positionings of players and random building positionings. I would rate this 3/5 but voting for Pending until you improved the map.

Happy Mapmaking!

cool, thanks for the feedback.

As for the player positioning, this is intended as a 2v2 map only. As long as you use the "teams together" option (which is the default for any battle.net game), there will be no issue of enemies starting close to each other.

I did notice that all of the neutral buildings were practically in a line after I uploaded it. My bad.. I'll try to do something about that.

There shouldn't be any trees on manmade tiles - though there are some near it and I may have overstepped. I'll look again.

With regards to mixing manmade and natural tiles, that's tricky as they have to clash somewhere on the map. Most of the time that I spent on this map was trying to make the transition as natural 'looking' as possible. But I have some ideas and I'll try to work on it.

As for the creeps, there are 10 green, 9 orange, 6 red creep camps. That amounts to roughly 2 green 2 orange and 1 red per player. I was actually a little afraid that this wouldn't be enough, but as you've hinted that it could be too much, I guess that's a good sign..

Thanks again for the feedback

 

[Binsu]

cool, thanks for the feedback.

As for the player positioning, this is intended as a 2v2 map only. As long as you use the "teams together" option (which is the default for any battle.net game), there will be no issue of enemies starting close to each other.

I did notice that all of the neutral buildings were practically in a line after I uploaded it. My bad.. I'll try to do something about that.

There shouldn't be any trees on manmade tiles - though there are some near it and I may have overstepped. I'll look again.

With regards to mixing manmade and natural tiles, that's tricky as they have to clash somewhere on the map. Most of the time that I spent on this map was trying to make the transition as natural 'looking' as possible. But I have some ideas and I'll try to work on it.

As for the creeps, there are 10 green, 9 orange, 6 red creep camps. That amounts to roughly 2 green 2 orange and 1 red per player. I was actually a little afraid that this wouldn't be enough, but as you've hinted that it could be too much, I guess that's a good sign..

Thanks again for the feedback

Will be looking forward in the updates. =)

 

[Binsu]

Exactly, abgm has made a good point! =)

 

[normalice]

a melee map should be usefull not only for team battles, for free for all too(free for all is the category in some games like super smash, and is every man by himself)

i've made plenty of ffa maps.

Anyway, the blizzard map Friends seems to contradict your philosophy, just sayin...

 

[Binsu]

not everithing in blizzard it has to be consider good.
i dont like when the gold mines are locked by trees ( i alredy said it in other post) because the ia isnt that smart to build a mill near and log the trees and if they are nigth elves, for get it. and in a lot of maps of blizzard they do that.
so i still say if a map can be played not only for team battles, also free for all, it will be better because fullfils both.

You mean AI not IA.

 

[Binsu]

english is my second languaje, sorry for the mistake
IA is for spanish ("Inteligencia Artificial")
AI for english (Artificial Inteligent)

Oh okay.

 

[normalice]

not everithing in blizzard it has to be consider good.

true enough.

i dont like when the gold mines are locked by trees ( i alredy said it in other post) because the ia isnt that smart to build a mill near and log the trees and if they are nigth elves, for get it. and in a lot of maps of blizzard they do that.

yeah, I hate that too. Fortunately, there aren't many maps out there like this. I avoid that sort of thing on all of my maps (in this case, with waygates)

so i still say if a map can be played not only for team battles, also free for all, it will be better because fullfils both.

thanks for the feedback

 

[Filmting]

Exactly, abgm has made a good point! =)

I disagree. Putting that it's not suited for FFA in bad points is for me, the same as putting it's not suited for 3v3 or map don't have custom units. Map wasn't designed as such.

 

[normalice]

I disagree. Putting that it's not suited for FFA in bad points is for me, the same as putting it's not suited for 3v3 or map don't have custom units. Map wasn't designed as such.

The 'top three' types of games played (at least on battle.net) are 1v1, 2v2, and FFA games. I think they only mean to say that a map that can do all three would, thus, appeal to a much larger 'audience.'

The flaw in this line of thinking is that it is outdated. FFA games are nowhere near as common as they used to be and, in fact, these days they are the least-played game type on battle.net.

But yeah - this map simply wasn't designed as such.