TSoL CoTS 1.2

[Moderator]

15:50, 31st Oct 2009, by Rui(#37):
"The Scourge of Lordaeron" (TSoL) is original, but imbalanced. I believe it can become even more interesting if it isn't taken the way of maps such as "Azeroth Wars: Legacy Reborn". Average rating of 3,15 with Numerion's comment and my own.

 

[Pietje]

This version still contains bugs etc, ill fix them, new version expected today, btw can i have some suggestions about the spawn system, i want to change it like, if you build a baracks u spawn footman, if u build a lumbermill you will spawn archers etc what you guys think?

Dont be afraid to put negative comments, i like to construct my map on good critism.

 

[XX_Noob]

I can confirm this map, it is quite good, but it suffered for some freezing error in the betas, I have no idea if its fixed or not.

 

[Pietje]

Thats fixed now

 

[redmarine]

The map has the fun factor but there were so many bugs which made it hard to maintain your land. Light blue and brown weren't able to use one of their bases because the bridge and portal were unusuable. Green was unable to spawn units after he owned 1/4 of the map. That's all for now. 3/5.

 

[Rui]

√ Hive Workshop requirements √ Machine/Net-friendly √ Spelling & Grammar +/- Terrain +/- Replaying worth +/- Gameplay +/- Imported Material X Originality X Balance X Interface X Object Editor work X Bugs

"The Scourge of Lordaeron" is a strategy-risk map by Pman, which is, I believe, from the ilks of Gwydia or Blizzcraft. The map seems to take both the Second War and the Third War into its storyline. The map's fun factor is pretty OK, but what catches your attention is mostly the apparent lack of testing. You did a good job in the cities' feeling, but the shape of the rest of the terrain just doesn't look right. I suggest renewing not only the structure of the landscape but also coming up with something more attractive than trees on the fields.

The new basic action interface was a good idea, but the changing of the damage/armor system, as well as replacing their icons for huge ones was the worst you could have done. 64x64 images on damage/armor icons look horrible. Most of the imports were unnecessary and served only to make the map bigger.

The gameplay lacked originality. Aside from the control points, which was a feature I enjoyed as far as the theory goes (god, they were ALL OVER the map...), it was not innovative.
I don't find the game balanced, nor diversified either. All the races are the same except for their starting positions and heroes.
I played as the High Elves, received a little help from Light Blue at the start, but I didn't really need him – my forces were more than enough to deal with the Trolls. My two heroes died because somebody remembered to add a 2 second duration stun that deals 75 damage (something around that).
I recommend you define points for the spawning of units, rather than spawn them all around a big bad building. Another thing to mention: the resources – it's really hard to run short on them, allowing you to buy a lot of upgrades without much effort.

What shocked me mostly were two major bugs: both Light Blue and Brown had a spawn point that was not connected to the mainland – the units could not get out! On the second version? This is completely unacceptable.

All in all, the feeling I got was that you mixed the style of a XX_Noob spawn-based map with a copy of Avrion's Legacy Reborn. Thank god the map doesn't lag as much...

My rating for this resource is 2/5 (Lacking).

 

[D a w n]

I also rate it with 2/5 because it is not origianl anymore and it is almost impossible to balance thos maps (I did not have a chance with my whole troll army vs the army of the yellow player and he did not even used all of his units)

there were also a lot of bugs which were already mentioned. The only thing I liked was the terrain in your base.

 

[Pietje]

Just nevermind about this map, its way too buggy etc, i have an other project now, but thx for beta testing it.

 

[redmarine]

Just nevermind about this map, its way too buggy etc, i have an other project now, but thx for beta testing it.

Beta maps aren't really allowed in this section. Anyway, just remember to test your map a lot before you release it to the public. Especially if you want to put it in the map section. Good luck with your new project.

 

[Thingolus]

hi, so wen you project stops I have interest to continue it, I also give you credits for this map. i try to fix the most of the bugs

 

[Pietje]

I revived it and continuing it myself but thx for the offer!

 

[Thingolus]

ah ok, becouse i testet it and like it and 2 questions:1 how can i buy the obelisk from the trolls and 2 what color are the nerubians

PS:make a pm if new ver. is out

 

[Pietje]

You can always contact me on http://wc3haven.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=24 or see the progress there (sorry if this is advertisement) anyway 1. you buy them when u have accuired 50 kills and they are orange but they will be replaced soon.

 

[redmarine]

You can always contact me on http://wc3haven.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=24 or see the progress there (sorry if this is advertisement) anyway 1. you buy them when u have accuired 50 kills and they are orange but they will be replaced soon.

Don't worry. According to the Hive rules it's perfectly fine.

 

[Pietje]

Don't worry. According to the Hive rules it's perfectly fine.

A k thx mate for telling me about it, I like to show respect for rules

 

[Rui]

The other time I checked I didn't post, but I wanted to say; I'm glad you've decided to work on the map again.

 

[Pietje]

The other time I checked I didn't post, but I wanted to say; I'm glad you've decided to work on the map again.

Hehe thx mate, i watched your feedback and took care of it, putted so much effort in it for improving it.

Altough since versions 1.01 i been encountering numberous bugs and fatals that werent in version 1.00 with things i didn"t even touch .

Got the map out and its fataling all the time but owell ill do my best

I hope your not gonna do a review since the map is kinda buggy atm haha

 

[AIagremm]

Yeah, the fatal error bites, but the map is great!
But I think that you should have some things changed.
For example, I play the high elves.
I conquer Deatholme, and build there my own buildings.
But the doodad undead buildings stay, what kind of makes it strange.
I think that you are rly good terrainer, but... too much doodads, in places which just beg to be conquered.
Right now I give you 4.5/5
If you fix the bugs, you'll get 5/5.
But right now, I'll give you +rep for success in lore and mapmaking.

 

[Pietje]

Yeah, the fatal error bites, but the map is great!
But I think that you should have some things changed.
For example, I play the high elves.
I conquer Deatholme, and build there my own buildings.
But the doodad undead buildings stay, what kind of makes it strange.
I think that you are rly good terrainer, but... too much doodads, in places which just beg to be conquered.
Right now I give you 4.5/5
If you fix the bugs, you'll get 5/5.
But right now, I'll give you +rep for success in lore and mapmaking.

The fatals were not in the previous versions but i now fixed it. (it was a mini map ping for some reason)

And yeah your right it has to change, i am working on an enviremental changing map so the envirement will change with the owner of the outpost.

I was gonna implent it soon i fixed bugs.

Thx for the feedback mate i hope you will play the map soon it gets better

 

[AIagremm]

Thx to you!
I bet, the map is going to be much better!

 

[Pietje]

Thx to you!
I bet, the map is going to be much better!

I hope so, i always listen to people feedback negative or possitive to improve the map and i hope it pays of.

 

[Rui]

I wasn't planning to review the map anytime soon, but now that I noticed, it is standing in the second page of the pending maps queue (ordered from oldest to newest submissions). If me and Bounty start attacking the queue, it will not take long for your map to be reviewed.

 

[Pietje]

I wasn't planning to review the map anytime soon, but now that I noticed, it is standing in the second page of the pending maps queue (ordered from oldest to newest submissions). If me and Bounty start attacking the queue, it will not take long for your map to be reviewed.

A k ^^, well I hope you wont review it untill version 1.03 comes out

Anyways thx for your support mate

 

[Pietje]

Updated: Removed spawn/income lag, enhanced multiboard, fixed tooltips for buildings, removed fatals and much more.

Hope you enjoy it, it might contain bugs since we redid the spawn system.

EDIT THE MAP IS BUGGED PLEASE DONT HOST

 

[thelifelessone]

Yeah, it is, isn't it?
God! Every time you guys make a beta, I'm never on!

 

[Pietje]

Fixed version is uploaded!

 

[thelifelessone]

Yeah, and its epic. I suggest everyone try it out.

 

[The_Chevalier]

Wait, are you guys still uploading the fixes I pump out? If so that's fine, I just didn't know about it, 1.04 will be the first version without spawn bugs, lag, pathing issues, more balances ect.. I have a full list on haven, but those are the main issues that will be resolved, then you can add in the WC3 events Pman. =D

EDIT:
Nevermind you haven't, well not that I can see, you guys can download it at haven though in the TSoL forum.

 

[thelifelessone]

Whoa, Chev, I didn't know you had a Hive account!

 

[Costin_Razvan]

1.04 is done , most of the stuff is fixed , spell hotkeys , spawns , events etc. fixed new events

Hope you like it

 

[XX_Noob]

Now, Spell hotkeys, Z is a terrible hotkey.. all other spawn based maps have WERT and some other random ones for specific spells.

Atleast for trolls/elves its all about getting most ranged units and being at the right position.

 

[Costin_Razvan]

I do not make this map based on how other maps have hotkeys or spawn or balance etc. , I realy don't care about em , just because the others have it that way does not give me ANY reason to make it so here.

Secondly for Troll/Elves , I rofl , you just mased archer/melee against me who got melee/ranged/casters/elite units , and you expected to win against a tier 2 army with a tier 1 army? If you had gotten your elite and your casters , then teched to get rangers then ye you might have won

Oh but that coming from a guy who said elves where OP when he raped a guy who didn't even bother using berserker , building as he should , no use of his spells properly

Sorry if I make this map so that you actualy need SKILL to win , God fobrid there should exist such a map on Bnet

 

[XX_Noob]

You edited the map, don't take the honor of creating it.

 

[arthas_king]

Hey Pman!Im happy to see you here(Murloc-Priest) and i hope the map growns like the other maps u had.

 

[onyxja]

why don't you get control over your allies if they quit

 

[Numerion]

In my opinion very funny mass control map (we almost had full house) and it has pretty nice and interesting terrain (in didnt noticed enemy base in one position hovever).

But...it has some overpowered units ... like the dead knights (no i wasn't against undead....i WAS undead) they heal themself almost for 1/5 of HP ...so my army was based on them and spiders , and those humans could do whatever they wanted ,but still were dying (right Billy? )

also...can you add a ping on minimap everytime the units are spawned? (cause i had to check very often ,cause we were making jokes in chat )


From me:
9/10 for terrain (couldnt find enemy base once)
8/10 for units (never seen dead knight as non-hero unit before)
8/10 for lag protection (some lags were in end when we were two with full army against three with about 80 army)
5/10 for heroes (seriously...dreadlord with wind-walk?)
8/10 for bugs (ok , hero that attacked me from water and almost destroyed whole my base because i wasnt able to shoot him ,but he was able to shoot me? )

Overal 38/50 - 4/5 -Recomended...(BTW there is really low unit block)

I dunno how the others (the owned ones) , But i liked it

 

[Rui]

Rui's review for "The Scourge of Lordaeron" (TSoL, v1.05), by Pman and Costin_Razvan

"The Scourge of Lordaeron", abbreviated TSoL, is an Offense type game, even though it sometimes looks more like Risk. It is a map started by Pietje (Pman) and now edited by Costin_Razvan. In this map, the gameplay stands out positively for its originality and negatively for its balance.
While in most of these games you possess builders who can construct buildings anywhere on the map, in TSoL you order your structures on build plots. There are various types of buildings. Among them, economic and military. Farms and Lumber Mills, as well as Town Halls, will supply your forces with Money (Gold) and Resources (Wood). The latter structure also raises your spawn of ranged units, while Barrack-type buildings raise your spawn of melee units. Spell-caster structures are also available.Every minute, you will receive Money and Resources depending on the number of economic structures you own, and units will also spawn under your control at your main towns, again depending on the number of existing military buildings.
You get to control one (or a part) of the factions at war in Lordaeron during the Third War: The Human Alliance, the Burning Legion and the Undead Scourge, the Orcish Horde or even the Trolls of Zul'Aman.In games like "Azeroth Wars: Legacy Reborn" (AW:LR, by Railen, Avrion and EagleMan), you find that the Blackrock Clan situated on the Alterac Mountains is composed of Fel Orcs allied with the Legion and even the Scourge which, as I'm sure everyone knows, annihilated them. Once more, the lore is distorted for the sake of gameplay. While in AW:LR this needs to happen for the sake of balance (or so it is claimed), in TSoL Blackrock definitely does NOT need to be allied with the Scourge or the Legion.On the first paragraph, I said the game sometimes looked more like Risk. This is because, in TSoL, you possess so many units that, late game, 10 groups (of 12 units) are nearly insufficient to command your entire army. That is A LOT of units. Even early game, you'll find yourself fighting what in most games would be a second invasion before you're even done with a first.I mean Risk not just in terms of unit numbers, but also balance. When fighting the Scourge (as Lordaeron), you will find that the mighty capital city of Lordaeron is no match for a small army. Towers do not deal a lot of damage and they're also fragile considering the number of units I referred in the last paragraph. This leads to an endless struggle the whole game.On a last note concerning balance, there are Death Knights which regain 1/5 of their health whenever their attack, as well as Skeletal Mages with the Frost Attack ability (another popular way of «balancing» in this type of games). And what about heroes, you ask? Well, mix bad towers, lots of units, and Frost Attacks. The result is the guaranteed death of your hero whenever your enemy orders a group of twelve units to attack it, no matter where you order it to run to. On a game I just played, this happened with Lord Garithos, and he ran from the outskirts of the Capital of Lordaeron to Ambermill, where he nearly died. Heroes are also very weak. Rushing them into the mess under these conditions is sentencing them to death, from which, I should add, they can't be revived.Aside from the heroes, that usually do not exist in such games, what I described in these last paragraphs is similar to what most people would describe of the cheap Lord of the Rings Risk maps out there – an interminable and unstoppable fluid of units that you symptomatically need to fight against.
The terrain is pretty alright. Settlements, forests and plains. They are all decently made, even though the change of town ownership isn't noticeable: in Human towns, houses don't get destroyed when they are claimed by the Scourge, for example.
Last, I must mention not all hotkeys are working, such as that of the Footmen's Defend skill. I suggest a full recheck.To conclude, "The Scourge of Lordaeron" can, with no doubt, become an interesting and perhaps even more original map to play. If it isn't taken the AW:LR way.
My rating for this map is 2,5, which is approximately 3 (Acceptable)I have tested this game with Pyritie, Tankeh (Tank-Commander), Billy the Cat, Numerion, Asomath, Lore-Wolf, and another individual whose name I did not write down. I should add that the lack of players had, in my opinion, little influence in the results of this game, but just so it is known, we lacked Blackrock and Southern Lordaeron.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

i enjoyed and liked to play the map, i love the terrain for a playable map,
but i think its a bit unbalanced, i played troll and i easily killed 2 orcs at a time. there should be some sort of ally system of a kind. and at a moment you just cant build more things only make towers and blacksmiths.

 

[Pietje]

"The Scourge of Lordaeron", abbreviated TSoL, is an Offense type game, even though it sometimes looks more like Risk. It is a map started by Pietje (Pman) and now edited by Costin_Razvan. In this map, the gameplay stands out positively for its originality and negatively for its balance.
While in most of these games you possess builders who can construct buildings anywhere on the map, in TSoL you order your structures on build plots. There are various types of buildings. Among them, economic and military. Farms and Lumber Mills, as well as Town Halls, will supply your forces with Money (Gold) and Resources (Wood). The latter structure also raises your spawn of ranged units, while Barrack-type buildings raise your spawn of melee units. Spell-caster structures are also available.Every minute, you will receive Money and Resources depending on the number of economic structures you own, and units will also spawn under your control at your main towns, again depending on the number of existing military buildings.
You get to control one (or a part) of the factions at war in Lordaeron during the Third War: The Human Alliance, the Burning Legion and the Undead Scourge, the Orcish Horde or even the Trolls of Zul'Aman.In games like "Azeroth Wars: Legacy Reborn" (AW:LR, by Railen, Avrion and EagleMan), you find that the Blackrock Clan situated on the Alterac Mountains is composed of Fel Orcs allied with the Legion and even the Scourge which, as I'm sure everyone knows, annihilated them. Once more, the lore is distorted for the sake of gameplay. While in AW:LR this needs to happen for the sake of balance (or so it is claimed), in TSoL Blackrock definitely does NOT need to be allied with the Scourge or the Legion.On the first paragraph, I said the game sometimes looked more like Risk. This is because, in TSoL, you possess so many units that, late game, 10 groups (of 12 units) are nearly insufficient to command your entire army. That is A LOT of units. Even early game, you'll find yourself fighting what in most games would be a second invasion before you're even done with a first.I mean Risk not just in terms of unit numbers, but also balance. When fighting the Scourge (as Lordaeron), you will find that the mighty capital city of Lordaeron is no match for a small army. Towers do not deal a lot of damage and they're also fragile considering the number of units I referred in the last paragraph. This leads to an endless struggle the whole game.On a last note concerning balance, there are Death Knights which regain 1/5 of their health whenever their attack, as well as Skeletal Mages with the Frost Attack ability (another popular way of «balancing» in this type of games). And what about heroes, you ask? Well, mix bad towers, lots of units, and Frost Attacks. The result is the guaranteed death of your hero whenever your enemy orders a group of twelve units to attack it, no matter where you order it to run to. On a game I just played, this happened with Lord Garithos, and he ran from the outskirts of the Capital of Lordaeron to Ambermill, where he nearly died. Heroes are also very weak. Rushing them into the mess under these conditions is sentencing them to death, from which, I should add, they can't be revived.Aside from the heroes, that usually do not exist in such games, what I described in these last paragraphs is similar to what most people would describe of the cheap Lord of the Rings Risk maps out there – an interminable and unstoppable fluid of units that you symptomatically need to fight against.
The terrain is pretty alright. Settlements, forests and plains. They are all decently made, even though the change of town ownership isn't noticeable: in Human towns, houses don't get destroyed when they are claimed by the Scourge, for example.
Last, I must mention not all hotkeys are working, such as that of the Footmen's Defend skill. I suggest a full recheck.To conclude, "The Scourge of Lordaeron" can, with no doubt, become an interesting and perhaps even more original map to play. If it isn't taken the AW:LR way.
My rating for this map is 2,5, which is approximately 3 (Acceptable)I have tested this game with Pyritie, Tankeh (Tank-Commander), Billy the Cat, Numerion, Asomath, Lore-Wolf, and another individual whose name I did not write down. I should add that the lack of players had, in my opinion, little influence in the results of this game, but just so it is known, we lacked Blackrock and Southern Lordaeron.

Thx for the review, ill get down to it at once!
I m picking up this map again and will do my best to balance it propperly.

 

[Pietje]

After a long time of inactivity I am picking up this project once more doing an overhaul.
Terrain will stay the same.

Gameplay and units will be redone completely, balancing the overpoweredness in the moment beeing.

Whats done:
-Most of the unit data
-Spawns of Blue, Teal, Pink, LB, Green, DG
-Terrain
-Unit Placement on the map


What has to be done:
-Importing some icons + adjusting possitions
-Spawns of Red, Purple, Yellow, Grey & Brown
-Events
-Income System

Overal
Triggers:IIIIIII
Object: IIIIIII
Terrain: IIIIIII

What will be in the Beta
-11 factions:

• North Lordaeron
• South Lordaeron
• Silver Hand (hero faction)
• Dalaran
• The Horde
• The Warsong Clan
• The High Elves
• Zul'Aman
• Lichkings Forces
• Cult of the Dammned
• The Burning Legion (Semi Hero Faction)

If you want in the beta then reserve a spot (Ill announce the time soon)

Spawn System: How Does it work?

You basicly upgrade your spawns in your Main Base (like in Lordaeron Tactics)
You can upgrade spawns 3 times.

First Spawn upgrades Tier 1 - 2 number of spawns + adds tier 3 units.
First Spawn upgrades Tier 1 - 3 number of spawns + adds tier 4 units.
First Spawn upgrades Tier 1 - 4 number of spawns + adds tier 5 units.

You wont spawn unless your food is below 150 (foodcap)

Units Screenshot

There are more units/heroes available through events.


Income System: How does it work?

I haven't decided yet but whats certain is that it would be a general amount for every player.

I was planning on adding Capturable points like goldmines and lumber mills that produce a bonus to income. (not sure although)

Gold is used for upgrading spawns and the armor of your units.
It is also used for building towers on tower plots.

My plan is to stay basic for now, and dont get the map too complicated yet, if there is enough demand I will increase the availability of construction.

Heroes

Heroes have high hit points to prevent one shot hero targeting.
But the downside their spells aren't "too" strong.

They can go till level 15 max, heroes will have items that suit their character.
E.G. Uther having the lightbringer as his hammer.

If they die, they stay dead unless with an Event
E.G. Arthas Dies, resurrected as a deathknight

What I am planning for the "full game

Trading Routes.
Allies will be able to send caravans to each other gaining supplies depending on the "flight distance" between the 2 points, they would have to set the point (must be a mainbase of an ally) and protect the caravan, if it dies you wont get gold and the other player gets the gold. (caravans would occur every 2 minutes)

Items
They wont be implemented in the beta, but in the final game.

Masteries
Offensive
This will increase the damage of units (adding an other "dice" upgrade to the units)
This will also increase the damage and proc chance of offensive abilities.
E.G. Bash will have 3% more chance to occur & will deal 4 extra damage.

Defensive
This will increase the armor of all your units.
This wil also increase the effects of defensive abilities.
E.G. Parry of a footmen will have 3% more chance to occur & will block 3 additional damage

Utility
This will increase the mana regeneration of all your mana users.
This will also reduce cooldowns & duration of abilities.
E.G. Inner Fire cooldown will be 5 seconds instead of 7 & will last 10 seconds longer.

Unit Experience System
After each kill a unit upgrades its' stats whether depending on which type.
This effect stacks up 5 times.

Ranged Upgrades: Attack Speed, Attack Damage
Melee Upgrades: Health, Armor
Casters Upgrades: Mana, Mana Regen

Give feedback if you can, thanks for reading & I will update this thread on progress

 

[arthas_king]

I still support this!

 

[Lightt]

OH! great map im have playing the old version and now you have launched the news! thank you, nice work

 

[Maximum_Evil]

You might want to change "Lichking forces" with the "Scourge"

 

[MR.Tricky]

I suggest writing the objectives of each race/group to the "Quest Log(F9)" so that when the ply ayers forget their objective they can read it at the "Quest Log(F9)" so that they will know what to do if they forget their objective
PS: i enjoyed playing your map, it was fun

 

[Pietje]

I suggest writing the objectives of each race/group to the "Quest Log(F9)" so that when the ply ayers forget their objective they can read it at the "Quest Log(F9)" so that they will know what to do if they forget their objective
PS: i enjoyed playing your map, it was fun

Yeah true, still have to do that. I tested this map mainly with my clan so i forgot about it, thx for the feedback.

 

[WOWWARS]

Your alive? seems like forever since you gave it to costin raven than he quit than you made 1.07.
welcome back

join Clan bar we need maps to host other than playing the ocasional alternate future and ww2 and ww1, lotr, kosd games.

is this Pman or some other person?

 

[Pietje]

Your alive? seems like forever since you gave it to costin raven than he quit than you made 1.07.
welcome back

join Clan bar we need maps to host other than playing the ocasional alternate future and ww2 and ww1, lotr, kosd games.

is this Pman or some other person?

This is pman and thx for the offer but i got a good clan.

 

[WOWWARS]

oh no you didn't. Good map hosted it last night.

 

[apsycobear]

Man, i thought you had quit on the map. Used to play old one and liked it(didnt have many events tho). Havnt tried out the new one yet tho, have you kept the old spawn system where youre buildings determine your spawn?

Played the map just now, its pretty good but the scourge are incredably buff(and frankly archi and mannoroth are unkillable). Also the event text for when legion is summoned reads archimon not archimonde.