Tidehunters

[WolfFarkas]

I am not pro, so is not much the knoledge I can offer you,

1) Red creep, late marketplace may favour BM windwalk, in my experience , marketplace should have an orange creep. to reduce that advantage, so other races can use it sooner.
2) I always followed the rule of not put 2 charged to near each, if 1 player gets both, can be, important, I tend to scatter the charged.

3) First time seeing a tome of knoledge in a green, I only hope you are 100% sure about that
4) I always was used to put more gold in hard expansions as a prize for expand there first than the natural, I dunno orcs can late expand to a hard mine while hu always goes for the easy. and in terms of plays I always like to see un-predictive plays over predictive expandings.

Maybe I am wrong in all my points, so these are subjetive sugestions

very solid entry, is amazing, I really like it.

 

[Kaer#2460]

Thank's for the feedback and praises. I'll collect some more feedback and decide if it's reasonable to deliver an update after the contest.

1) Red creep, late marketplace may favour BM windwalk, in my experience , marketplace should have an orange creep. to reduce that advantage, so other races can use it sooner.

I think it isn't as necessary to balance around BM because it is not the 100% to go hero anymore for Orc. All races can use the marketplace at night OR buy an invis potion to use it during daylight. But I'll keep that in mind and consider swapping the orange and red spots in the Northeast.

2) I always followed the rule of not put 2 charged to near each, if 1 player gets both, can be, important, I tend to scatter the charged.
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I don't think it's that problematic because both spots are contested ones. But if I end up changing the red spot in Northeast, I might as well change some more itemdrops.

3) First time seeing a tome of knoledge in a green, I only hope you are 100% sure about that

EI does the same. Even same location

4) I always was used to put more gold in hard expansions as a prize for expand there first than the natural, I dunno orcs can late expand to a hard mine while hu always goes for the easy. and in terms of plays I always like to see un-predictive plays over predictive expandings.

I think going down with lategame goldmine values is generally correct but I'll consider giving it another 1000 to make it 10k.

 

[WolfFarkas]

I think it isn't as necessary to balance around BM because it is not the 100% to go hero anymore for Orc. All races can use the marketplace at night OR buy an invis potion to use it during daylight. But I'll keep that in mind and consider swapping the orange and red spots in the Northeast.

true but the shadow of years BD orc play still are in my mind. old habits die hard

I don't think it's that problematic because both spots are contested ones. But if I end up changing the red spot in Northeast, I might as well change some more itemdrops.

I see, yeah is something I read from another mapper/player, dont get crayzy with charged in the creep route, so I tend to scatter charged. perma-charged-perma-charged

EI does the same. Even same location

I should study ladder maps more, I use this page to remember creep levels and skills, , WC3 - 1V1 RANKED - CREEP MAPS BY SHAKENBAKE
for loot, mafe taugth me in over like in 25 maps, so to me is like, I dunno pure instinct, usually loot is my strong point.

I think going down with lategame goldmine values is generally correct but I'll consider giving it another 1000 to make it 10k.

I see

if you look my map, it looks like a tortoise shell because of the pathing, trees looks like legs, head and tail.
joke: I thing you and me are some sort of tortoise team, go turtles go!.

good luck

 

[Kaer#2460]

I decided to implement some of your changes for now:
- red and orange creepcamps in the Northeast swapped
- changed c3 for p3 in Southwest orange camp
- increased third goldmine to 10k

Thanks again for your feedback @WolfFarkas !

for loot, mafe taugth me in over like in 25 maps, so to me is like, I dunno pure instinct, usually loot is my strong point.

Powerup2 was problematic when it contained tome of experience. Since TOE is removed, PU2 is completely fine.

 

[mafe]

Approved based on the results and reviews of the 6th melee mapping contest: Hive Cup 2020: Melee Mapping Contest #6 - Results

Additional comments:
-The map is definitely an improvement on EI, but I wouldnt probably even have made the connection if it wasnt for the screenshot. Having labs instead of mercs should change a lot.
-Dont know if intentional or not, but the shallow water islands behind the main bases can be used for gargs to heal up.
-Good mix of standard and unusual creeps.
-Very interesting early game creeping options.

Also of course, once again congratulations on the winning the contest!

 

[stan0033]

The design of this map is amazing, the idea and the execution. Also, the description is very attractive compared to the other contestants! No wonder it's first place!

 

[stan0033]

What did you do to your map man? I can't open it in the world editor and ALSO, i cant select it in the maps browser in the game BECAUSE I DOTN SEE IT. Why did you do that? remove the protection, nobody's going to steal it anyway.

It's unplayable in its current state.

 

[Kaer#2460]

Might be your editor version or something? I'm not an expert on this technical stuff. But I didn't protect the map and several other people were able to open it with their editors.

 

[stan0033]

I''m using 1.26a version.

Maybe if you open the map with 1.26s editor and save it with it, it will be playable for older versions too.

 

[末究@]

Only the remade version?

 

[magusrog]

thank youm the Map ist super!!!!!