Throne of Azora 1.10

[Moderator]

15:25, 26th Mar 2016

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Ardenian: An interesting, quest-based RPG.
The story is interesting and a great focus lies on it.
However, there are many small points reducing the game experience,
like
misplaced bridges, too small camera borders, so one can see the background sky, strange building splat ( lumber mill) and so on.
tyci, you could work more on this map.

Points you could work on

• Remove/ hide lumber mill splat
• Improve the water falls in the opening cinematic ( see our tutorial section)
• Increase the map/camera borders, so players cannot see the background sky ( you can manually increase your map size)
• Add a text why the road is blocked
• Fix bridges
• Limit range when talking to people ( it is strange to start a conversation from the other site of the screen, isn't it)
• Make cinematics skipable
• Fix the green icon of the The New Mayor quest
• Think about a custom road texture, the rock texture does not fit really, what do you think ?
• Prevent kids in the first town from running through fences and barrels
• When Ethan dies, you could move Sammy to the respawn location and you coul sopawn Sammy to Ethan
  

16:44, 28th Mar 2016
Ardenian: Some changes made, approved, as playable.
You can improve the rating when fixing more little issues, like the misplaced bridges.

07:37, 30th Apr 2016
Ardenian: Since you keep working on this resource
and did not just drop it after approval, I increase my rating to 3/5.
Keep the updates coming!

 

[Arad MNK]

This remembers me of my first map

Might actually review this, after some time.

Nice description by the way.

 

[yogiman]

lovely game! but i found a bug.. the mine collapsed and i died.. suddenly i was in prison with king agamand.. strange!

 

[tyci]

Oh wow, thanks man ^^ Updated the map.

 

[Knight of Arsford]

The map's pretty cool, but I'm afraid there are some bugs. Hahahaha, at the very first part where I get to see the Mayor, I got so mad at her that I actually killed her without any resistance at all. I suggest you make the Mayor invulnerable at first, then when the uprising quest comes up, make her vulnerable to Ethan. Anyways, when I got to the uprising, the Mayor's dialogue is still playing even though she was already dead from the start.

 

[tyci]

It's not a bug, I guess I just never expected anyone to attack her. Anyway I will have to do like you said ;p

 

[Thieving Magpie]

That was really fun and the plot line was great. Loved the camera angle change on the bridge too.
I think you need to do something with the Swit ambush though as I kinda ran away and then picked them off one by one and didn't realize what was supposed to happen. I ended up using Bert to finish it off.

 

[yogiman]

i really enjoyed this now.. i encountered no serious bugs.. the pathing of the citizen ambush failed a bit, but besides that.. awesome, nice Story, nice quests, nice skills! thanks for making =)

one thing: the area in the middle on the right side of the river is accessable through the north.. but its empty!

 

[Zordrak]

I have tested the map now. There are a lot of beautiful places in your map (i especially love that dungeon with the crazy miners). But there is still some terrain that should be improved. Add some greek or roman temples, and a nice dark fortress of demons to make it more interesting.

 

[tyci]

All right updated the map with most of your advice, but unfortunately i cannot increase the map size. I could move everything a bit closer but It would take a massive amount of time which isn't worth fixing the background sky that you can see only at the start of the game.
Cinematics are now skippable except the ones that have choices, which would make them impossible to skip.
As for you last point I think it's a bad idea as Sammy can still fight on after Ethan has died.

The rest were valid points, which I hope I have fixed.

 

[Ardenian]

An alternate way to hide the background is to import a simple black plane with a length overlapping everything outside the camera borders.

Hm, true, but it is a bit odd to have to get them together again.

I approved the map, as it is playable. However, there are still many points,
some I mentioned in my previous moderation, like the misplaced bridges and still partly the initial waterfalls, thus a rating of 2/5.
Greatly improving the terrain results into a rating increase.

 

[Bommel]

I enjoyed the map. I did found one bug, the disease troubles quest wouldn't start. I also thought that the pauses in between the attacks in the swit siege were a bit to long.
The siege was also not very challenging which was a bit disappointing.

Overall I thought that the map was well made and a nice way to spend an evening.

 

[Erindeir]

Good nonlinear gameplay (what really rare in warcraft 3 maps), cool history and quests, and interesting world. I like play in this map in second time and see other line of history. 6/5

Do you planning make sequel of this story?

 

[tyci]

Glad you two liked it;
I needed to make the siege quite easy because it is possible to not do any side quests, which would make Ethan and Sammy much weaker and the quest has a precise region which you need to walk through, I will make it bigger in the next version of course.

While I have teased the possibility of a sequel I don't know if I will have the time and energy to make a Throne of Azora 2. Right now I want to focus on upgrading this map.

Thanks for all the positive feedback!

 

[Erindeir]

tyci, also thank you for your map. This is a really amazing and unusual!
I too like make campaign with nonlinear history, but i am not very skilled in triggers.

 

[yousef5120]

i have completed the map .. and found two bugs

Includes Spoilers

1 - after killing the mayor and the cinematic goes the messenger keep entering and exiting through the portal ( the gate ) and never end the cinematic ( i had to restart the game twice as it happened again )
2 - i finished the cult thing mission before leaving with the army .. when i was searching for scouts i found a cult member who transformed into the cult leader ( i dont remember his name ) then the cult quest ( which i finished ) updated

 

[Ardenian]

yousef5120, please doon't spoiler the story.
Either wrap a hidden BB tag around your post or the spoiler one.

[hidden=Feedback ( SPOILER)] < your post> [/hidden]
or
[spoiler] <your post> [/spoiler]

 

[tyci]

i have completed the map .. and found two bugs

Includes Spoilers

1 - after killing the mayor and the cinematic goes the messenger keep entering and exiting through the portal ( the gate ) and never end the cinematic ( i had to restart the game twice as it happened again )
2 - i finished the cult thing mission before leaving with the army .. when i was searching for scouts i found a cult member who transformed into the cult leader ( i dont remember his name ) then the cult quest ( which i finished ) updated

Thanks, I will fix the bugs in the next update ^^

 

[Moonreaper666]

This map is very sad!

 

[AstronautKD]

This map is amazing! I got so much positive emotes playing this. Finally, found great single-player map. If my ending scene is sole, Im fucking hate you author =(.
Hope, we will see extension? Im so interested :3.

 

[tyci]

This is so nice to hear D Hope you stayed for the credits to end

 

[AstronautKD]

That's why I asked for it =)

 

[Bankde]

Very great map. I love how you give player choices to play.

I have problem tho.

SPOILER

Right now I'm stuck at "To War!" quest. Nothing seems to proceed to the next step. I have found mounted knight with exclamation mark but he won't talk to me. Any hint ?

 

[tyci]

Sorry for the bugs, have to fix them soon. Try this:

Bug Fix (Potential Spoiler)

1. You have to stand closer to the knight
or
2. Try going up the hill where Agamand is looking at the army and stand next to him with Ethan. And left-click on the Mounted Knight now.

 

[Bankde]

Did 2 option, I can proceed to next quest now. Thank you for fast reply
Encounter another problem

Spoil

I have already killed the scout, nothing happens. Kill everything including animals and still can't proceed to next stage

 

[Knight of Arsford]

I have the same problem with Bankde.

 

[tyci]

You mean:

Potential Spoiler

The Swit Scout you are supposed to find in the forest?

 

[Bankde]

Yep I mean that and killed it already Somehow the quest didn't update.

Also southwest of that forest, there is small hole between tree that small units (like my footman) could walk through to other camp. You might want to add more tree or surround that area with unplayable.

 

[tyci]

I'm sorry, but unfortunately that bug can't be bypassed. I have updated the map if you wish to try again c;

 

[Dracorex]

I found a bug ! When you refuse to help the stablesmaster retrieve Bill the horse and then you change your mind, the game goes to cinematic state, but no dialogues and you can look freely but can't move. This cost me to replay the whole map

 

[Moonreaper666]

I found a bug ! When you refuse to help the stablesmaster retrieve Bill the horse and then you change your mind, the game goes to cinematic state, but no dialogues and you can look freely but can't move. This cost me to replay the whole map

The quest with the woman that wanted to kill the boar is also glitched. Pressing Escape would stuck the game into the cutscene

I'm sorry, but unfortunately that bug can't be bypassed. I have updated the map if you wish to try again c;

The two extra companions you can get need one of two improvements:

-They need to be revivable

-They need to be heroes with extra abilities and better stats

When one of the Cult's buildings explodes it kills Both Heroes and their Ally!!!

DEFINITELY needs to be FIX!!!

-Maybe add some extra creeps

-Raise the Level limit by a little and add Extra Attributes (The Yellow Cross Passive Ability)

 

[Ardenaso]

I like this one, it made me cry at the end. Maybe add something for Lopez as his loyal friend when he survives the uprising?

 

[Tash]

Awesome map! Too bad I sided with the wrong brother. Hey! You tricked us! Such innocence, wow. Yea there are bugs that you need to fix (refer to Moonreaper666's reply) and maybe some improvements (except the allies being heroes, just make them revivable and some important role). Overall, 5/5!

EDIT:

During some cinematics, Sammy won't stop and continue attacking the enemy on the cinematic. It is really boring to have dialogues of a dead person in front of me.

 

[Valenvai]

Great map! I really enjoyed it!
There were a few bugs, like my hero dying from enemies during cinematics or how I managed to kill Prince Goren with Lopez only entering the palace.

 

[discord666]

Talked with the girl about the boar quest, refused.
later, accepted the quest, game bugs.

And i'm not even gonna mention killing the bandit leader before accepting the farmer's quest.

 

[tyci]

The two extra companions you can get need one of two improvements:

-They need to be revivable

-They need to be heroes with extra abilities and better stats

When one of the Cult's buildings explodes it kills Both Heroes and their Ally!!!

DEFINITELY needs to be FIX!!!

-Maybe add some extra creeps

-Raise the Level limit by a little and add Extra Attributes (The Yellow Cross Passive Ability)

Making them revivable is a good idea actually, will work on it, but they will not be heroes with skills etc. simply because the companions aren't as important as Ethan and Sammy. Plus controlling 3 heroes can be difficult.
Since you finish the game around level 8-11 the yellow cross isn't really needed.
I don't really have where to put the creeps and the cult building will be fixed.
Thanks for such detailed feedback. Cheers.

I like this one, it made me cry at the end. Maybe add something for Lopez as his loyal friend when he survives the uprising?

This is also a very nice idea, since one of the companions have a cinematic like that and the other 2 don't ^^

Awesome map! Too bad I sided with the wrong brother. Hey! You tricked us! Such innocence, wow. Yea there are bugs that you need to fix (refer to Moonreaper666's reply) and maybe some improvements (except the allies being heroes, just make them revivable and some important role). Overall, 5/5!

EDIT:

During some cinematics, Sammy won't stop and continue attacking the enemy on the cinematic. It is really boring to have dialogues of a dead person in front of me.

Hehe, much plot twist, such evil ;] Do you remember maybe in which cinematic?

Great map! I really enjoyed it!
There were a few bugs, like my hero dying from enemies during cinematics or how I managed to kill Prince Goren with Lopez only entering the palace.

Glad you liked it, will fix the bugs of course

Talked with the girl about the boar quest, refused.
later, accepted the quest, game bugs.

And i'm not even gonna mention killing the bandit leader before accepting the farmer's quest.

I will look into the boar quest, but the second bug was already fixed in version 1.05

 

[Ardenaso]

This is also a very nice idea, since one of the companions have a cinematic like that and the other 2 don't ^^

I forgot Bert too. Never forget Bert.

 

[Supernickman 32]

Off the reviews Episode 2: Throne of Azora 1.05

Read This
For first i wanted to say i not make classically review style if say this basic then that means i just say what i think about maps. Let's begin.


Off the reviews Episode 2: Throne of Azora 1.05
What is Throne of Azora?
A story driven game with RPG features. About story it are interesting ,but for me i don't like many RPG games only a few ,well by now my little list have another game in it yes it's right Throne of Azora.

For a final.
Well how i said i don't like all RPG games only a few as you know this map are in that list ,but only for thous who likes this genre of game i could recommend this map.


Rate.
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-Gameplay 30/40
-Terrain 10/10
- Enjoyably 15.5/20
- Total points 55.5 = 9
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Awesome 70/70 = 10
Good ,but could be better 50/70 = 9
Not bad 40.9/70 = 8
Nicely 35/70 = 7
Too hard to you? 28.5/70 = 6
You tried ,but only half 20/70 = 5
Nice ,but with this you never be good mapmaker 15.5 =4
Try harder 10/70 = 3
Thanks seat down two 5/70 = 2
This sucks 0/70 = 1

 

[tyci]

Glad you liked it even though you aren't into RPGs ;DD

 

[Supernickman 32]

Yep...

 

[Zekrom]

Now THAT is a called an rpg.Man!it was awesome.must have spent a lot of time.found no bugs.but the ending was not good.i cried a lot.but i am excited to see the sequel the mysterious figure and all..just thinking about it makes me excited.

 

[tyci]

Thanks Zekrom! Nothing feels better than hearing that someone cried over my game ;DD

 

[DarkSword123]

OK good map good map i like it found a bug in the Miners Peril quest i went into the mine and kill all the angry miners but after i talk to Greg i've decided not to save him but try to go to the end of mine and try to blow up the barrels so Greg can't suicde.....but he was already there so i don't even need to save him at all ? also i'm still scouting the forest i pick the swit scout off 1 by one then a cinematic show up where all my guards die and Ethan die as well then he said "Sammy....I'm sorry" then the screen went black and i'm completely stuck in a cinematic

 

[Ardenaso]

i'm completely stuck in a cinematic

If I'm not mistaken, using iseedeadpeople will sometimes causes cinematics to bug out and loop many times.

 

[Knight of Arsford]

For the best Throne of Azora experience, don't cheat lol.

 

[deepstrasz]

If it only has one map, I don't think it qualifies as a campaign.

 

[DD Mikasa]

I played through the map and i have to say its quiet enjoyable and the terrain is good(above the avarege you see in here anyway) some issues i had with the map are:

Spoiler

1.After the revolt quest line another bard reswpans and they become two and thats kinda wierd xD
2.Quests are pretty basic/and scarce for a map this big i thing you could have added some more and in-debth quets
3.There is no tip that shows us the bards acually heal i learned that during the end.
4.No matter how hard i tried i could not assasinate the herald from the shadows
5.Spells lack creativity.
6.Even tho terrain is pretty good...I feelt that you could have done a better job with the town(the one we first reach) in fact it looks more like a village in its current state not a town
7.Despite being into campaign section...The map does not show when i put it in the campaign folder but when i put it in the regular map folder it does...Might wanna check that

 

[Vindeus]

I played the map twice while making different decisions in both playthroughs.

I have to say that unfortunately, I found the whole "different decisions" aspect of the game to be rather underwhelming. The decisions don't change the game all that much.

Spoiler

Even the main story decisions. I would have thought that siding with a different prince would make the story take a different turn, or at least make Ethan and Sammy go to different areas. I was very disappointed.

I think part of the reason for that would be the fact that the game is rather easy. I had no difficulties with any section of the game regardless of my decisions. In relation to that, I never needed potions, which rendered the shops in the game completely useless.

On that note, gold was also completely useless in the game, since there was no point where you could buy something more useful than anything you could find from quests and drops. The most pointless item would be the teleport scrolls, since there's no reason to go back to areas. Although, even if they WERE helpful, the fact that only Ethan can carry any items at all meant that anything not helpful to combat was just a waste of an item slot.

Spoiler: Story related comment

The siege near the end of the game seems poorly designed. I don't know what the lose condition is, but I lost all my men aside from the archers as well as all the citizens but still didn't fail. The archers, Ethan, and Sammy did most of the work. The invulnerable towers seem very overpowered.

I'd also like to note some bugs:

• In the barracks late in the game, there are some barrels behind the bed. Making Sammy use his pouncing move on one of the barrels caused him to somehow end up in the palace.
• My companion kept punching the scout during the cutscene and killed him.
• One of the siege towers at the south wall got stuck and never released the units it was carrying.
• Ethan and Sammy will stop gaining exp from enemies with levels (like bandits) at level 5. They start getting exp from these enemies again after they receive exp from an enemy with no level (like werewolves).

Overall, I guess I might have gone into this RPG with too high expectations for the decisions mechanic. Aside from that though, other gameplay aspects of the map also detracted from my experience. 3/5 from me.

Side note, I don't think this map should be tagged as a Campaign. I was under the impression that campaigns had to be a different file type, and needed to consist of multiple maps in one.

 

[LOLFROG]

That is one the best map in the HIV
I give it rate 5/5
And please make another map like this
Really thanks