Teleport/Telepathy

Chaosy · Oct 28, 2015

I will try to keep myself short.

The topic is as said teleport and telepathy. To be blunt I think it ruins the RP.
My intention is not to force a rule, but I just want to highlight my thoughts so that you who read this will hopefully think twice before using teleport or telepathy next time.

On top of my head they have two things in common.

They remove many tactical strategies and counterplay
They speed up the RP by way too much

The second one is kind of included in the first one.. kinda. But I included it just in case.

Let's say faction X is attacking faction Y. Logically speaking we can assume that at least half of X's troops are participating in that. Which means, X's country/land will be vulnerable as it would take weeks for the other half of the army to return home. BUT WAIT, there's teleport, the whole army is assembled within 5 minutes. It kills the fun completely.

But there's hope! The attacking troops do not know that their homeland is about to get attacked so even if they can teleport, they wouldn't do that since they don't know and it would take a few days for a message to be sent even by using birds. BUT WAIT there's telepathy which informs your troops within 1 second.

I can write together like 10 other diplomatic/strategic scenarios that proves my point further, but I don't want too much text here.

Thanks for reading and please think twice before you (ab)use teleport/telepathy.

WhiteFang · Oct 28, 2015

It's true that it can ruin fun(which is why I don't and won't use it in FoW)
IMO it can be efficiently included in the RP if used responsibly.But fun isn't exactly what this group seems to be about anymore(God bless Daffa for FoW)Honestly each player is so focused on being more powerful than the other that they will use anything and everything to try and achieve that.One of the reasons I solo RP,I want fun not a damn competition of power.Sorry,went slightly off-topic there

Chaosy · Oct 28, 2015

My realm has disabled it completely for everyone, as well. You can't use teleport nor telepathy inside it, the only way to get in and out is through a hidden gateway (this obviously applies for all of my characters as well).
So yes, I have taken my own measures against it myself and pray that's enough to make a slight difference.

In battle teleporting/blinking can be interesting, but otherwise I hate it. Telepathy is strictly off limits for me in FoW, I wont use it at all.

The reason I wrote this down is because I am afraid the same thing will happen in FoW.

WhiteFang · Oct 29, 2015

I will use combat teleporting to teleport behind a target or something.But I assumed we are talking about major teleportation

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

You assumed correctly.

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

So.. u mean we cant have Dungorian translocators!??! Why? Heavens fall mod was soo popular(ok.. enough jokes)
I usually teleport only my main chracters, my army have to travel..

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

What if I told you there are boats, zeppelins, horses and other mounts?

Or better yet, use their legs otherwise they will get fat. (somewhat true actually, lol)

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Boats can be destroyed, horses can be shot, zepplins can be detsroyed by acks acks and mounrs can be killed..legs... go walk for 5 miles and not get tired!

WhiteFang · Oct 29, 2015

What if I told you there are boats, zeppelins, horses and other mounts?

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Then i would slap that dude..

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

Boats can be destroyed, horses can be shot, zepplins can be detsroyed by acks acks and mounrs can be killed..legs... go walk for 5 miles and not get tired!

Which is exactly why it's better. There is counter play, which does not exist with teleport.

WhiteFang · Oct 29, 2015

I have disrupted teleportation spells before but yeah,counter play is very limited when using teleporting

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

If you got the caster in sight, sure. But in 9/10 cases that is not the case.

Cherrymage · Oct 29, 2015

How about adding delay/channeling time for each teleport?

And restrict instant teleport to main characters?

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

I have given up hope to put restrictions in RACC, it's not worth the effort.

I just hope that everyone can make the RP better by not using it at all if possible. Even if you channel a spell for one hour, it's still quite unfair when it would take weeks to go by foot.

Cherrymage · Oct 29, 2015

Make it also costs energy based on the amount of mass you teleport?

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

That is logical to me, yes. If it were official lore, you wouldn't be able to teleport that many entire armies.

I think the max number of units in wc3 is 12, and in WoW it is proven many times that they use other means to travel.

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Example: Portals..

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

There is only one known portal in WoW and that took multiple powerful casters on each side of the portal for hours. And that is used between worlds not from northrend to eastern kingdoms or whatever.

Or, if you talk about mage portals, they allow group/party members to enter. And a group is 40 people max so that's not quite the army.

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Unless u have a battlion of mages(hm.....)

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

In (almost) every fantasy world, those who can use magic are rare. So yes, in theory you're correct but the scenario is unlikely to say the least.

In WoW the player is the one who defeated the lich king and so on though, he is no average mage. An average mage could likely just teleport himself with a 2-3 others.

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Or.. rather... a legion of apprentices... should do the trick...

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

I admit that it would work but I still don't approve teleportation. (still, just my word against yours

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Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Spam apprentice mages and archmages(mass teleport baby!!) then

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

*notes to not attack Leo's faction to prevent loss of temper*

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

*notes to spam archmages*

WhiteFang · Oct 29, 2015

*notes that it's impossible to have a discussion with both Chaosy and Leo*

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

*notes to say"stop going Ot"*

Alright, so you guys are telling its impossible to have an army of Apprentice mages? Then why does Dalarn have so many then?

Cherrymage · Oct 29, 2015

Coz' Dalaran is miracle

WhiteFang · Oct 29, 2015

@Leo.Cuz it's where they learn and train

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

@WF

*notes that it's impossible to have a discussion with both Chaosy and Leo*

Might be some truth to that.

Cuz it's where they learn and train

And dalaran take mages from pretty much all factions, not just a single one.

@Leo
I can't accurately debate about that since I don't know how many mages there are.
Dalaran got many mages, true. But I don't think it's many compared to the number of soldiers in an army.

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Dalarn... has Citadel Guards and all the rest are freaking MAGES!!! Conjurers! Geomancers! Pyromancers! Hydromancers! Spell Weavers! Battle Mages! Sorceresses! Sorcerers! Wizards! Archmages! ...and... any more?

Daffa · Oct 29, 2015

Teleportation are not mere magics. Suffice to say, out of 10, only 1 is likely to be capable to utilize it properly. I take TMK for example, most of the mass teleportation are used by elites (Daffa, Fallen Mage, Raven, Mask, Aurora, etc).

In extreme details, teleportation is "relocate existence while delays the frame of time", at least in my perspective. Teleportation, naturally is a powerful magic that can destroy it's user within bounds of space and time if they're not careful.

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

@Leo
False. There are normal citizens too. But quite frankly, all those you mention are still summed up as mages. And as far as I know, they are rare.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Dalaran said:
The mages of Dalaran protected inhabitants who weren't magic-users

edit: This might be a good read if you're interested.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10673117470

edit: Aha! Found it! Here's exactly how it works lore wise in WoW
http://www.wowhead.com/object=19288...-a-memorandum-on-proper-portal-usage#comments

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Of couse there are cirizens.. im not addin it because we are talking about military my friends!and.. there are abt how many portals in stormwind? In dalarn? And more?

Chaosy · Oct 29, 2015

Fair enough.

Let's see.
Darnassus - Exodar
Stormwind - Blased Lands
Dalaran - Stormwind
Dalaran - Caverns of time
Dalaran - Orgrimmar

If there are more, correct me. But it does not change a thing, lore wise it does not work, you can't transport too many through a single portal. I will not quote statements from given links as it's honestly useless knowledge unless you RP in WoW.

Leo Akastenix · Oct 29, 2015

Stormwind.. we got moar!! Deepholm!, Tanaris that sand area or something. forgot its name. Twiliht Highlands and Pandaria!!Ahh!! jus tht in 1 city!!

Edge45 · Oct 30, 2015

The only thing I worry about is the techs, other than that, I'm pretty fine with no Mass Teleportation,

Leo Akastenix · Oct 30, 2015

As if we had zepplins and airships that could blink

Edge45 · Oct 31, 2015

Now that's something

WhiteFang · Jan 21, 2016

Ya should merge your threads in one big one called "Rants of a super attractive young Swedish gentleman"

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