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Sylvanas Windrunner - the bane of warcraft.

Discussion in 'World of Warcraft' started by Amigoltu, Nov 9, 2019.

  1. Amigoltu

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    Out of all the horribly magnificent ways that World of Warcraft defiled the Warcraft story, Sylvanas Windrunner is becoming my most hated one. From the beginning, her, and the entire Forsaken faction's addition to the Horde was absolutely insane lore-wise. But not only did Sylvanas join the Horde, but she also became the Warchief, even defeating the Val'kyr Queen...

    But most infuriating of all. Apparently, she now has grown so strong, that she can single-handedly take on, and defeat, the Lich King. You know, something that all the Dreadlords and even Kil'Jaeden did not dare do themselves. Not only did she defeat LK easily, but she actually broke the helmet...

    I mean, what is she even now? For all that was shown, Sylvanas may as well take on Sargeras single-handedly at this point. There's no end to her power, seemingly. All of this considering, that in Warcraft 3, Sylvanas was just an average ranger. And becoming undead did not make her much more powerful. In the lore, she wouldn't stand a chance against Arthas alone, and there's no way she would defeat LK on her own.

    But this is not even me just hating Sylvanas, as much it's me hating the story writers, who apparently have completely abandoned making any sensible story, and are just writing their own fanfictions about their favourite characters...
     
  2. Duke

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    Yeah I agree. Seems like some of the writer leads have a hard-on for her.
     
  3. Venombite

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    This might just be me defending my favorite character, but I completely disagree.

    First of all, in Warcraft 3 she isn't just an average ranger. She is the most powerful ranger in the world, second only to Tyrande, and maybe on par with Shadris and her sister, Vereesa.

    When she died, she kept her ranger skills, but also became a Banshee, which granted her a lot more power.

    Kil'jaeden was far more powerful than the Lich King. He just didn't want to get himself involved, as he was readying himself for another invasion of Azeroth, and he didn't want another dominant Azerothean power, the Scourge, and he wanted havoc in the world without the Lich King. Bolvar is not the same Lich King as in Warcraft 3. That Lich King, Ner'zul and Arthas were defeated in WotLK. Bolvar just gained the title to control the undead, but not the powers.

    Forsaken joining the Horde doesn't make much sense, but neither do the Night Elves in the Alliance. If anything Forsaken make more sense in the Horde, cause they are the Humans that the Alliance have cast aside.

    There is a whole story in both Legion and BfA, why she became a Warchief.

    She didn't defeat the Val'kyr Queen. The Val'kyr Queen, Helya, was her ally. She only defeated Eyir thanks to the artifact granted to her by Helya. Eyir was Helya's second in command, and she still works for Odyn, so she's a lot weaker than Helya. Helya will probably have a role in the Shadowlands.

    Of all the problems Shadowlands have, Sylvanas is the least of them. You literally get to go to Heaven and help the angels defeat the master of Hell, doesn't get more ridiculous than that.
     
  4. deepstrasz

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    Warcraft III source please.
    More like having been handicapped if you ask me.
    Don't you just love WoW apologetics.
    Oh, so Bolvar was all alone on that throne? Let's say what the wiki says.
    "Several years before Legion, a blood elf named Lyandra Sunstrider traveled to Icecrown Citadel in order to obtain the runeblade Felo'melorn. But eventually she was killed by the Scourge. Aethas Sunreaver sends an adventurer to locate Lyandra and the runeblade. Bolvar says that they can try to take the blade, but if they fail to do so, they will join the Scourge.

    Bolvar also aided the Death Knights in their mission, he sends them to gather Frostmourne's shards."
    So even though it doesn't look like much, what we saw in the Shadowlands intro was the most lame defense anyone could have as if Sylvanas drank a potion of invisibility, Bolvar didn't have any true sight capabilities, and the battle between them took a few minutes, time in which no body, nothing could come to Bolvar's aid.

    WoW
    As if it didn't over the years.
     
  5. Shar Dundred

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    Your problem is not just writers having affection for Sylvanas, your problem is that you are trying
    to find sense in the nonsense that is WoW lore.
     
  6. deepstrasz

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    Still waiting for the actual lore

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    (characters are not real)
     
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    Garithos did nothing wrong
     
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  9. Venombite

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    And what else does being Ranger General of Silvermoon mean? She is clearly the best in her kingdom, and thus on the whole continent.
    She gained the terrifying scream that destroys all magic, even demonic. A big power up.
    Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden created him. How can a creation be more powerful, than the creator. If you knew Legion, you'd know that a being such as a Lich King can not be created without "help" from the Titan of Death, the power which the two have been harassing even before Sargeras showed up.
    No he had the largest armies on Azeroth. I said he didn't have those powers. Basically he's a corpse, kept in life by Alexstrasza's flames, that put the crown on his head and take command of the Scourge, so it wouldn't cause havoc across the world.
    No, no it didn't.
    Lol, WoW has used Disney for inspiration for years. It's nothing new. Baine's story is from "Lion King"(1994) as stated by Blizzard. Half of BfA characters are obviously from Disney. And Shadowlands evidently have a whole zone inspired by Disney.
     
  10. deepstrasz

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    Fair.
    Sure, that sort of lame writing could have given the character universe bending powers. Also, that's WoW.
    Kil'jaeden actually (RoC manual).
    Read or see I Robot, The Matrix, stuff like that?
    How can a nuke obliterate its creator and more? Of course not self-consciously but you get the idea.
    As if I'd want to. Plus, that's a retcon. K'j was doing mighty fine without any comic book titan of death. This retcon kills the fact that demons were capable of necromantic powers. Now they made it like they had to steal powers from others, lol. So much for demon power.
    Hard to accept it, I know.
    There you have it folks!
     
  11. Duke

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    Part of the problem is bullshit powerleveling of single characters. Back then everyone, Thrall, Jaina, Arthas, Sylvanas and even Archimonde had to actually have followers and an army to accomplish their goals. (granted that was in part that they were RTS games). But WoW became anime and now you have muh unstoppable heroes fighting it out like it's Naruto, Jaina being a one-man army, Sylvanas basically abandoning being leader of one of the most powerful factions in the world and doing it all by herself (because apparently, she can)
     
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    @Venombite if Sylvanas was so uber, what about the Archmage in that chapter :D?
     
  13. Venombite

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    Iirc, Sylvanas is actually harder to kill. That Archmage is extremely dumb, using only Brilliance Aura and is lower level than Sylvanas :p lol
     
  14. deepstrasz

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    Poor Anasterian :p old but not gold.
     
  15. Venombite

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    Does Anasterian exist in RoC manual?
    I think he didn't even exist back then.
     
  16. deepstrasz

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    Of course not but WoW fanbois say that Archmage is Anasterian.
     
  17. Venombite

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    And what does TfT manual say about Kael's background? It might even be a TfT retcon, lol
     
  18. deepstrasz

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    Why do people care about this shitshow, just stop playing and find a better game lol.
     
  20. deepstrasz

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    I guess they felt their loved characters penetrated, lol.