Selling Maps?

[tagg1080]

What is the price range of the maps?

Do we pick it?

Does blizzard pick it?

Is it set in stone?

Does it change?



Does anyone know anything about it?

 

[Dr Super Good]

What is the price range of the maps?

Unknown, probably the cost of an average DLC as it makes no sense to change much more.

Do we pick it?

No, as blizzard would be stupid to. People could so easilly rip others off by spoofing maps.

Does blizzard pick it?

Yes, you can probably contact them if you think your campaign or map diserves it but they will eventually be the ones to apply it.

Is it set in stone?

Des it change?

No idea what you mean.

Does anyone know anything about it?

It will only be available after SC2 is released and still is not final. The beta does not have any support for it.

 

[bboy-tiger-]

Maybe there even wont be map selling...
If there will be, they will put some requirements or people will spam them with mails.

 

[Mepper]

There hasn't been a lot of information about it, and like Dr.SG said, it won't even be available for beta. I remember Blizzard [Dustin Browder] saying to only expect the highest quality projects to cost anything though (ex. if it was made by a professional team who put in a ton of hours of work into it).

 

[MortAr]

I seriously doubt that someone from here or anywhere will make a map enough worth to be put on the sell list.

 

[tagg1080]

I seriously doubt that someone from here or anywhere will make a map enough worth to be put on the sell list.

You have too much faith in human intelligence...

How many "NARUTO LEET OMFG HAZXXXXXORZZRZ" maps would be paid for if they were up for sale?

Yea, that number scares me too.


There will be some dudes that make some GOOD stuff, and I am sure whoever remakes DotA the best will get a spot!

 

[MortAr]

What makes you think someone will pay for a Naruto map, when their number exceeds the number of overall maps in a low-popular site about WC3?

And, since when Naruto maps are worth being played?

Also, DotA is old, not fun, repetetive, morronic. After all, the GE is alot more complex, flexiable and powerful than the WE, which makes me think again, what an idiot will try to remake DotA when you have the power to create something which is 100x times better, funny and catchy.

 

[tagg1080]

What makes you think someone will pay for a Naruto map, when their number exceeds the number of overall maps in a low-popular site about WC3?

And, since when Naruto maps are worth being played?

Also, DotA is old, not fun, repetetive, morronic. After all, the GE is alot more complex, flexiable and powerful than the WE, which makes me think again, what an idiot will try to remake DotA when you have the power to create something which is 100x times better, funny and catchy.

People would pay for anything...

And DotA is the most popular War3 game ever. Just cuz you hate it doesn't mean that it isn't the most popular.

We can hope that better things come out, but my point is that people would pay for anything.

 

[MortAr]

You appereantly cannot understand what I'm trying to say, so whatever.

 

[tagg1080]

You appereantly cannot understand what I'm trying to say, so whatever.

Other than that being a jerk comment...


Could you explain it again then? What am I not understanding?

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

If GE doesnt even support scripting without a crapload of trouble, I cant see any huge teams or companies working on projects with high enough quality to be sold. I really dont.

 

[Omniferous]

what an idiot will try to remake DotA when you have the power to create something which is 100x times better, funny and catchy.

You appereantly cannot understand what I'm trying to say, so whatever.

Ironically, while you dismiss him as being the one misunderstanding, it is you who misunderstood. The power of the editor doesn't mean people will WANT complicated maps. Basic maps like DotA, Pudge Wars, Uther Party, and the various escape maps were popular in Warcraft 3, despite not needing complicated infrastructure. Maps like Azeroth Wars needed very little triggering, but were popular.

Highly specialized maps like Cruiser Command and Night of the Dead: Aftermath were seen as very well designed, but this didn't mean they got a larger audience. In fact, I see far more games of DotA, Pudge Wars, and Uther Party than I do of Cruiser Command or NotD: Aftermath.

 

[Bane]

Maps will be available for premium status 1 year after the official release. So july 27th, 2011 premium maps will start hitting the "shelves" of battle.net 2.0

 

[Toukichiro]

For the moron who said people would not pay for dota... Please look at HoN, LoL, Bloodline Champions, and a bunch of koreans rock offs 2 last time I checked. Dota being remade as it no one would buy it but if it was remade to the standard of LoL, HoN or Blc yes. The guy was saying anyone would pay for anything and people love animes specify ones that have models people would buy maps if it was to sell models.

The most successful maps that would make it to premium status based on Blizzcon would be maps similar to the lines of what Counter Strike did for Half Life. Soo, with that being said if your map uses alot assets given by blizzard and does not have a fair amount of time in it. You will probably never make any money off it.

Key note by Justin durring blizzcon..... DOTA WOULD NOT BE A PREMIUM MAP OR CONSIDER ONE... He used example like Counter Strike and Team Fortress.... So, I cannot recall but those were almost exclusive mod team assets.

 

[Dr Super Good]

As stated by blizzard. Even DotA Allstars, the most popular WC3 map would not meet the requirememnts to be sold.

Selling maps is aimed at maps which use entirly unique content (near no models from blizzard), are incrediably long (30 mission campaing) or use copywrited content (eg if square enix made a map). The map sales tool is not aimed at cult maps or popular maps.

Underlined is corrrect, a map being sold will not be as popular as it is not being sold and converting non sold to sold will probably be impossible for the average map.

The feature is obviously aimed at campaings or mods.

 

[MortAr]

What to check about HoN, LoL and BLC ?

HoN is going retail on 12th may (tommorow) and will be entirely pay-to-play, which kinda shows how interested S2Games are in the project.

LoL is currently in a beta-phase and its going good (imo), but that doesn't means it will be on the market forever.

BLC has nothing to do with DotA, unless you want to compare it with Warlock.

So, like I said - it will be stupid to remake DotA over SC2, just because you might receive money for that.

 

[tagg1080]

As stated by blizzard. Even DotA Allstars, the most popular WC3 map would not meet the requirememnts to be sold.

Selling maps is aimed at maps which use entirly unique content (near no models from blizzard), are incrediably long (30 mission campaing) or use copywrited content (eg if square enix made a map). The map sales tool is not aimed at cult maps or popular maps.

Underlined is corrrect, a map being sold will not be as popular as it is not being sold and converting non sold to sold will probably be impossible for the average map.

The feature is obviously aimed at campaings or mods.

Can you spot a source for this info?

 

[Toukichiro]

Hey Dr. Super Good while I agree with that Dota and 90% of the maps won't make premium I don't think Campaigns will either. I think custom games that become mods themselves will prob make it. They said Counter Strike which in no right is no where near a campaign and they did not even use any wc3 examples of campaigns....

If i recall Darky Campaign with the spider has voice acting custom models and is massive and they did not even mention it. This leads me to believe that only MP content will really be sold.

I am personally working on a custom map for sc2 that will have almost no use of sc2 assets. I would be surprised if it would not be considered for a premium map. Also, what I really am disliking so the lack of information about the market place for Premium Maps.

For example could releasing ur map and slowly working it up to a so called mod status kill it premium status abilities. For example dota took about 3 different makers on it before it gained the popularity it got. If money was involved I bet they could of or would of been able to get ride of all the wc3 assets.

They were way to vague why dota would not make. Is it because it lacks custom models and sounds which is a limitation imposed by bnet for wc3 not the Mapper. Dota by definition is a Mod and equivalent to CS expect it lacks custom content mainly cause of bnet.

The fact is I think if your asset free and not using any of Blizzard assets you most likely will be consider in some way for premium status. I am just interested in 1 How u apply and 2 are u limited in the time u can resubmit a map.


Blizzard I think is the king of being vague and at times worthless for information. I really wish they would come out with a nice little 10 to 20 page Post on everything you need to know about sc2 modding.



P.S Tag the Source is Blizzcon 2009


Pss Mortar LoL been released since 2009..... They released it in September 2009... I was in the closed beta and an emissary for lol so yaa. It also Free to Play..... Blc was just another example of a map that was based on wc3 map. If u pushed Dota to LoL or Hon in Sc2 people would play it and it would be a good map... Their nothing wrong with the dota genre and it will be present in sc2.

Fact is no one in sc2 will probably make any money cause I fear it all going to be driven by assets over concept. Since very few people in the wc3 or even modding world are fairly competent in model making u will be hard pressed to find anyone that reliable and good. I mean the blizzard modding world and almost in general.

 

[tagg1080]

I just realized this, go open your editor and read that wall of text:

".. create maps, mods, missions and even entirely new games ..."

I am betting they want us to use this is an engine that they handed us, instead of a Starcraft mod'ing tool.

So get cracking everyone!

 

[Bane]

Hey Dr. Super Good while I agree with that Dota and 90% of the maps won't make premium I don't think Campaigns will either. I think custom games that become mods themselves will prob make it. They said Counter Strike which in no right is no where near a campaign and they did not even use any wc3 examples of campaigns....

If i recall Darky Campaign with the spider has voice acting custom models and is massive and they did not even mention it. This leads me to believe that only MP content will really be sold.

I am personally working on a custom map for sc2 that will have almost no use of sc2 assets. I would be surprised if it would not be considered for a premium map. Also, what I really am disliking so the lack of information about the market place for Premium Maps.

For example could releasing ur map and slowly working it up to a so called mod status kill it premium status abilities. For example dota took about 3 different makers on it before it gained the popularity it got. If money was involved I bet they could of or would of been able to get ride of all the wc3 assets.

They were way to vague why dota would not make. Is it because it lacks custom models and sounds which is a limitation imposed by bnet for wc3 not the Mapper. Dota by definition is a Mod and equivalent to CS expect it lacks custom content mainly cause of bnet.

The fact is I think if your asset free and not using any of Blizzard assets you most likely will be consider in some way for premium status. I am just interested in 1 How u apply and 2 are u limited in the time u can resubmit a map.


Blizzard I think is the king of being vague and at times worthless for information. I really wish they would come out with a nice little 10 to 20 page Post on everything you need to know about sc2 modding.



P.S Tag the Source is Blizzcon 2009


Pss Mortar LoL been released since 2009..... They released it in September 2009... I was in the closed beta and an emissary for lol so yaa. It also Free to Play..... Blc was just another example of a map that was based on wc3 map. If u pushed Dota to LoL or Hon in Sc2 people would play it and it would be a good map... Their nothing wrong with the dota genre and it will be present in sc2.

Fact is no one in sc2 will probably make any money cause I fear it all going to be driven by assets over concept. Since very few people in the wc3 or even modding world are fairly competent in model making u will be hard pressed to find anyone that reliable and good. I mean the blizzard modding world and almost in general.

You cant sell your maps til a year after release, don't worry about it...

 

[Dr Super Good]

Darky had a fallout with Blizzard for some reason if I remember. Thus why WC3search was not an offically listed fansite yet other smaller sites were. This however occured before most of the current community joined so do not take my word for it (happened before I joined).

Like I mentioned already, maps like DotA Allstarts from WC3 are not going to be sold, blizzard said so themselves.

 

[gilynx]

What is the price range of the maps?

Do we pick it?

Does blizzard pick it?

Is it set in stone?

Does it change?



Does anyone know anything about it?

Apparently its not going to be ready for another year(if my memory is good).

But what i remember reading is you are going to submit it to them, so probably you can recommend a price, and they will get back to you and tell you if it is accepted or not.

(speculation) I am sure they are waiting a year so they have maps out that had at least a year of effort put into it.(/Speculation)

 

[Urlock]

Hey, Dr.SuperGood, where are you getting your information from? Because it sounds to me like your speaking out of conjecture. Unless there is some -verifiable- source that states what you are saying is true then we have no reason to believe you.

And yes; I am aware of that one quote which says that DotA will not meet the requirements to be on the battlenet marketplace from one guy in one interview. Let us take that as 100% accurate and factual. Even if DotA does not meet the requirements; what the hell does this say about any other maps which we create? Did anyone come out and say 'original models and games only'? Gotta have sources, man, sources.

 

[Bane]

Hey, Dr.SuperGood, where are you getting your information from? Because it sounds to me like your speaking out of conjecture. Unless there is some -verifiable- source that states what you are saying is true then we have no reason to believe you.

And yes; I am aware of that one quote which says that DotA will not meet the requirements to be on the battlenet marketplace from one guy in one interview. Let us take that as 100% accurate and factual. Even if DotA does not meet the requirements; what the hell does this say about any other maps which we create? Did anyone come out and say 'original models and games only'? Gotta have sources, man, sources.

Stop calling people out, jesus christ.

 

[mrzwach]

Obviously, any map that does not go extremely above and beyond the quality of any other free map on B.net would not be premium. If there are free maps which are basically the same, just a little worse, then people won't pay for your map. :\