[Import] Selectable in game, but not in the editor

[Shade Da Scout]

A model with a mysterious bug
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/guard-191052/?prev=search%3Dhalberdier%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20
Title says it all.
I import it, reset WE, put it on the map...I try to click on it so I could rotate it...can't select it
it works perfectly ingame
the only way to select it in WE is via selection box, but I can't click on it directly and change rotation, owner, HP, etc.
what is causing this bug?anyone knows?

"Mystery..."

 

[DESTROYER123]

It's the model itself.
I know 1000 of models which are difficult to get clicked (not that much as you say).
Mybe ask the creator to do someting.

 

[Shade Da Scout]

I discovered that the selection point is at its origin (via selection boxes), but how am I supposed to select an unselectable pixel from first try when trying to move the unit?
Creator last visit 6 months ago...

 

[DESTROYER123]

Maybe the model is too short.
Dunno.
Just from the time that it works in-game try placing it at the right place in the WE istead of moving it.
And if you want to rotate it, you know.
Create a box till you select it then press enter and boom.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I am guessing the model has no collision geometry.

To make models easier to select, they mostly have a shape around them purely for selection. When you click the unit, it is this shape that it uses to see if the cursor clicked the unit or clicked somewhere else. If a models lacks this shape, it defaults to using the standard unit geometry in-game. The editor obviously does not resulting in the unit being unselect able (drag select works as that ignores the model, using the origin to detect selection).

So why do models even need this collision geometry? With out it you would get the very annoying problem of "missing the target" due to model animations. The Void Walker is the best example as it has very energetic attacks that result in the model moving great distances quickly. If you were to try and target it while attacking there is a high chance you would click behind it without the collision geometry.

Collision geometry brings other problems as well, if it is too small then what you think is the unit will target behind the unit. If it is too large then you will be unable to target anything but the unit.

DotA Allstars got around this problem using special imported models.

 

[Shade Da Scout]

How do I fix this problem?
Change the model?How?

 

[Talavaj]

If it is only the editor that has problems.. just get a workaround. You don't need to actually click anything.

Use selection box and press enter once it is selected to access its data and use numpad to move it around once it is selected. You can use selection box to select them for triggers also.

 

[Shade Da Scout]

@Talavaj, I must this is quite genius and illuminating for me, thanks!Although, I would like how to fix the model so I could move it around with a mouse

 

[Talavaj]

Not sure how to fix the model but it seems the collision mesh is within his polearm. Click on the polearm instead. (when he is not moving)

 

[Shade Da Scout]

Click on the polearm instead. (when he is not moving)

Nice catch!
Tomorrow (in 15h) I will try some animation changing, my only hope (for now) to fix the model.

 

[Binsu]

The model has no Collision Shapes and you must edit the model itself or ask for the creator's permisiion to edit it and add Collision Shpaes but if you want to do it by yourself. Here is a tutorial:

Adding Collision Shapes in Models

Collision Shapes is what makes it selectable in-game, most of the time these are the things that user forgot.

 

[Shade Da Scout]

The model has no Collision Shapes

Aren't those 2 spheres his collision shapes?
Maybe I should add collision mesh which is only in the polearm as Talavaj said?
But how?

 

[Binsu]

Aren't those 2 spheres his collision shapes?
Maybe I should add collision mesh which is only in the polearm as Talavaj said?
But how?

The tutorial I linked will help you =)

Also in the bodies because if in Polearm only, it will be still hard to click and only way to select it is click it in the polearm.

 

[Talavaj]

Except the model already has a collision mesh, you can see it in magos. However in the editor, it uses the geometry of the polearm instead.
But it seems to work fine in the game which is why I assume it uses the collision mesh in game but not in the editor for some reason.
Moreover if he didn't have any collision shape it would default to his geometry which is not happening as it defaults only to the geometry of a single geoset which is his weapon and the rest is clicked through.

 

[Binsu]

Oh so it is in the World Editor I thought in-game.

@Shade
If it works in-game, Just try selecting them by drawing a shape like in-game also when you will select multiple units. Just do that when selecting that unit in WE.

 

[DESTROYER123]

That was wut I said.
Create a selection box (the same way you select units in-game) and after you picked your unit the the box click the Enter button

 

[Shade Da Scout]

the only way to select it in WE is via selection box, but I can't click on it directly and change rotation, owner, HP, etc.

Oh so it is in the World Editor I thought in-game.

@Shade
If it works in-game, Just try selecting them by drawing a shape like in-game also when you will select multiple units. Just do that when selecting that unit in WE.

That was wut I said.
Create a selection box (the same way you select units in-game) and after you picked your unit the the box click the Enter button

yeah...
for now I will select him via polearm, since I still have no idea how to make WE use collision mesh

 

[Binsu]

yeah...
for now I will select him via polearm, since I still have no idea how to make WE use collision mesh

Good luck on it. Maybe you can inform the creator of the model of this problem. The only one who can help you is the creator itself.

 

[Callahan]

Open the model in magos and recalculate extents and make sure all geoset are selectable.Personaly I don't ask author permission for this as it's more of a fix for convenience purpose than an artistical edit.And as a modeler I don't expect to be asked permission for that kind of edit.

 

[Talavaj]

Yeah, it looks like the model has unselectable geosets, save for the polearm.
It looks like the collision mesh is disregarded in editor and it uses only the model's geometry, yet in game it disregards the model geometry and uses only the collision mesh, curious.
Maybe it is like that so you can have more precise selection ? Rather than easy quick selection that would be required in the game.

 

[Shade Da Scout]

I have finally fixed the model.The actual bug was in the geosets.Almost all geosets (except the one fore polearm) were ticked "Unselectable".Thank you all for your answers and few illuminations.Case solved.

 

[Binsu]

Very good. =)