Scarlet Crusaders V.3

[Moderator]

12:54, 29th Jan 2014
Hell_Master: Map approved with a rating of 5/5 (Highly Recommended) as expected from your melee maps! See my review here for more informations: Review

 

[Footman16]

No screenshots.

 

[Binsu]

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: Hell_Master Map Name: Scarlet Crusaders Map Author: wa666r Originality An altered melee map which brings us to another race called the Scarlet Crusader each with their own advantages/disadvantages. A very original map, creative concept of what Scarlet Crusaders looks like in melee maps. Score: 86/100 Presentation Presentation is realy great! Very informative and even includes a brief lore of the Scarlet Crusader's existence and how it was made. It also lists the great features of this map and an information of what race Scarlet Crusader works and some tips to come up with. Screenshots also looks good and I really like it. Score: 91/100 Design The minimap looks good anf fitting to the map. Tooltips in-game looks fine though the tooltip for the Verdict of the General when in buff, it says it increases total hitpoints but what it does is just increase movespeed and spell resistance. Also, you should fix the green icon at the Light-blessed Armor. The icon seems broken or you forgot to put up a DIS icon. Score: 63/100 Triggers Not the person to judge triggers and scripts in-game but seeing from your trigger work at WE. It looks neat and organized. Nice job with that. Score: 92/100 Object Data Flying Barrage unit (I think that is the name) has no portrait and I do think it could be better if it has one. But overall, everything looks good. Score: 82/100 Gameplay Overall, the new race is really great and balanced enough. I did not find any flaws in the race itself but some on the broken icons and some wrong tooltips. That is all! Score: 78/100 Fix the missing icon of the Blessed-light Armor. It maybe missing a proper DIS icon into it. You should have a look in it! Something wrong with the tooltip of Verdict when buffed on units. It says it increases total hitpoints but it does not. Flying Barrage could have something of a portrait. It could be better with a portrait. Final Score: 82.000/100 Updated: 5/5 Vote for Rejection (due to the green icons in-game) Final Score: 82.000/100 Updated: 5/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[Wa666r]

Those errors will be fixed quickly. Had the fixed icon in game, all I must do is place it.

Edit: The Verdict Aura buff's tooltip has been changed, and the Light-blessed Armor icon fixed.

 

[Wa666r]

No screenshots.

There's one screenshot

 

[Sunreaver]

Testing the map now

 

[Sunreaver]

Why are they dragons aiding the Scarlet Crusades they suppose to have gryphon riders

 

[Wa666r]

Why are they dragons aiding the Scarlet Crusades they suppose to have gryphon riders

It's interpretation of the race, no one says they HAVE to be Gryphon Riders. The Redeemers are something I made up.

 

[Footman16]

There's one screenshot

Not as far as I can see. I click the show button and see:

Image Description:

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[Wa666r]

Not as far as I can see. I click the show button and see:

Image Description:

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I really have no idea, man. Everyone else can see the image.

 

[Ujimasa Hojo]

I really have no idea, man. Everyone else can see the image.

I can't see the image either. Did you set the album containing the image to public? Maybe the album is set to contacts/friends only?

 

[Wa666r]

I can't see the image either. Did you set the album containing the image to public? Maybe the album is set to contacts/friends only?

Can you see the image now?

 

[Footman16]

Yes, it's working.

 

[Guildenstern]

The Scarlet Crusade idea is cool. Nice screenshot too.

 

[Ujimasa Hojo]

Can you see the image now?

Yes. I can see it now as well. The only suggestion I have regarding the picture is to make the Lordaeron Banners red as well.

 

[Wa666r]

Yes. I can see it now as well. The only suggestion I have regarding the picture is to make the Lordaeron Banners red as well.

Yea. I will try to change it. Try out the map. c:

 

[Footman16]

A Footman16 Review

The Good
-A full set of four custom abilities per hero
-Triggered abilities
-Nice custom icons (variation a little lacking will be covered later)
-Nice custom models (some bad points will be covered later)
-A lot of custom abilities for standard units
-Full set of custom items
-Full set of buildings and icons
-Entirely new techtree of units

The To-Be-Improved
-There is too little variation in icon appearance, silver/gold for abilities and red on units. It is alright to have icons that suit like a common colour scheme for a particular set of abilities but not every single icon.
-Far too many summonable abilities, the Guardian ability is a bit ridiculous as well and doesn't look that good.
-Why does the ram and refuge etc have their attack data as a separate ability?
-The names are a little ridiculous and unfitting I would suggest that you change them. i.e Crusader - Archer, bowman; Squire - Pikeman; Gallant - Rider; Hail - Dwarven Engineering; Exhort magic - Extort? Exorcise magic; Burden of Sin - Magical Burden, Arcane Burden, *something* Burden
-The abilities are far too OP in some cases and one or two are under powered.
-Your use of custom models and icons isn't very... uniform. Some of the icons don't fit which isn't advisable. Also don't mix Human and Blood Elf buildings.
-Some of the Hero models and Icons aren't very suitable.
-The House's stats are too unbalanced.
-Some of the units in general are unfitting such as the Redeemer

The Final Judgement
A lot to be improved. Just general polishing, as it stands I would give it a 2/5, and an approvable if the above points are updated and fixed.

 

[Ujimasa Hojo]

It was good. I like how you made the Scarlet Crusade playable only to "Human" players thus preserving the "Human" user interface which was appropriate. There appears to be an issue with some models not having the appropriate icons and having no portraits at all. If you need help with the AI, message me.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Summary: Possibly the Best in a series of great Altered Melee Maps by Wa666r. The Scarlet Crusaders are a humanish race with strong female qualities. They are full of magic and surprises. This map let's you choose them as a substitute for the human race. The buildings, models and icons all look really nice. The race feels balanced and the custom spells work well. The effects and buffs are eye candy for sure and the units are fun. Suggestions: -Scarlet Crusader UI would look great in this map. -Hall defense ability is a bit OP to start but looks really cool anyway. Maybe it should only be available at level 2? -Starting units are a bit weak but not too bad. -Add some flash with a Multiboard, knockback or other impressive GUI. Rating: 4/5 +rep Voting for approval! Bonus: Here's a terrain screenshot!

 

[Solu9]

Overall I like your work with the Scarlet Crusade here. One of my favorite factions.

But I am going to nitpick a bit.

Taken from WoWWiki:
"In Tirisfal Glades a peaceful Monastery was converted into a stronghold of the fanatical Scarlet Crusade, Scarlet Monastery. The Crusaders are intolerant of all non-human races, regardless of alliance or affiliation. They believe that any and all outsiders are potential carriers of the undead plague - and must be destroyed. Reports indicate that adventurers who enter the monastery are forced to contend with Scarlet Commander Mograine - who commands a large garrison of fanatically devoted warriors. However, the monastery's true master is High Inquisitor Whitemane - a fearsome priestess who possesses the ability to resurrect fallen warriors to do battle in her name."

As the quote says, along with a few other places on the wiki, the Scarlet Crusade only consists of Humans.
So seen from that aspect, that is a pretty big flaw.

Of course there is room for artistic liberality, but nevertheless, it is against the lore.

I am not going to comment the dragons except for this:
Whut?

Overall a great addition to your races. But this one I'll give 3/5.
Every critic focuses on something different I guess

 

[Renly Baratheon]

Now here is an interesting faction you don't see that much. Elves, Naga, and Fel Orcs are kinda overblown already.

 

[Wa666r]

Overall I like your work with the Scarlet Crusade here. One of my favorite factions.

But I am going to nitpick a bit.

Taken from WoWWiki:
"In Tirisfal Glades a peaceful Monastery was converted into a stronghold of the fanatical Scarlet Crusade, Scarlet Monastery. The Crusaders are intolerant of all non-human races, regardless of alliance or affiliation. They believe that any and all outsiders are potential carriers of the undead plague - and must be destroyed. Reports indicate that adventurers who enter the monastery are forced to contend with Scarlet Commander Mograine - who commands a large garrison of fanatically devoted warriors. However, the monastery's true master is High Inquisitor Whitemane - a fearsome priestess who possesses the ability to resurrect fallen warriors to do battle in her name."

As the quote says, along with a few other places on the wiki, the Scarlet Crusade only consists of Humans.
So seen from that aspect, that is a pretty big flaw.

Of course there is room for artistic liberality, but nevertheless, it is against the lore.

I am not going to comment the dragons except for this:
Whut?

Overall a great addition to your races. But this one I'll give 3/5.
Every critic focuses on something different I guess

One of my priorities for every race I make is to keep it lore friendly, but sometimes I find that some idea are too good to pass up - like the Redeemer. I didn't want just to have a giant eagle or whatever, that'll be a little too much like LoTR. All units, buildings, structures - aside from the Redeemer- are human though. You could think of the Redeemers as some of the fallen warriors that abide by High Inquistor Whitemane. Also, for this race, I wanted to use some interesting building and models that I believed could be either Elves or Humans.

 

[Cloud_the_Angel]

you forget the stuff about demons corupting the scarlet crusade?

 

[Wa666r]

you forget the stuff about demons corupting the scarlet crusade?

I chose not to include that. Doesn't seem important for this situation.

 

[knight26]

NOTE:
-If you're having problems of invisible map in your game, simply rename the file you download to anything shorter. It will show up ingame just fine.
And Wa666r, map is awesome, can you please make the file names shorter next time, sometimes this inconvenience can happen.
Thanks for making the maps ^_^

 

[Wa666r]

NOTE:
-If you're having problems of invisible map in your game, simply rename the file you download to anything shorter. It will show up ingame just fine.
And Wa666r, map is awesome, can you please make the file names shorter next time, sometimes this inconvenience can happen.
Thanks for making the maps ^_^

Will do haha. That problem never even occurred to me.

 

[Daffa]

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: Daffa the Mage Map Name: Scarlet Crusaders Map Author: wa666r Originality Great race concept and they are pretty good as well, unlike most alterations I have seen. Score: 75/100 Presentation Great presentation for this map tyoe, it's pretty neat and well organized, rarely seen like yours for some time. Score: 62/100 Design Great design, the Scarlet Crusader are pretty well designed I must admit. the only suggestion I can say is adding an UI for the Scarlet Crusader Score: 72/100 Triggers There are many flaws in triggering. Check this link first : http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/triggers-scripts-269/things-leak-35124/ Generally, with help from the link, things you need to be done : [1] Remove every leaks from that link help [2] Use Variables to improve trigger performance [3] Merge the Player 1, 2, 3, ..., 8 triggers into one trigger [4] Use Variable Integer instead of Integer A/B (performance improvement) generally, [1] must be done to improve performance, I fear if all 8 players uses SC, they might lag severely if their PC aren't strong enough. Score: 27/100 Object Data pretty much well balanced race and there's nothing to be issued with in my opinion. Score: 81/100 Gameplay Pretty much a great map for a melee, it gives me a reason for playing melee again after a while. Score: 70/100 Need help with triggers/memory leaks? Make a thread in the Triggers & Scripts Section. Got any World Editor related questions? Make a thread in the World Editor Help Zone Section. Final Score: 64.500/100 3/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[Letgoit2]

NICE i like the scarlet crusade <3 i wil give feedback after testing^^

EDIT: why you dont use the Scarlet Crusade Skin that already exist for the footmans ?
and 1 point is ... iam still maybe to weak to mes with the new race against an Insane Human o.0 ^^ anyway hope
you can add the Skin

 

[NathanCade]

is It really Supposed to be 8S? or not

 

[Wa666r]

is It really Supposed to be 8S? or not

What do you mean?

 

[sarumanthecursed]

your maps are amazing !

 

[Dreadwing]

Your maps are awesome I collecting your maps except Dalaran

 

[Wa666r]

Well thank you, both. Why not Dalaran?

 

[Dreadwing]

@wa666r
I already downloaded and played as dalaran but seems Dalaran is not my type I think...

 

[Kristal]

I have two suggestions - can you merge all the races you made into one map; and can you make a smaller map for some of the races, cause playing 1v1 is kinda not good on a map for 8 people.

About the maps - I completely love what you've been doing, I can see them similar to another map I used to play called ExtraRacesTwisted Meadows (there were other itterations of ExtraRaces maps), but those maps don't work on a version higher than 1.20e which is sad. If you collect all the races in one map it would be amazing!

 

[Wa666r]

I have two suggestions - can you merge all the races you made into one map; and can you make a smaller map for some of the races, cause playing 1v1 is kinda not good on a map for 8 people.

About the maps - I completely love what you've been doing, I can see them similar to another map I used to play called ExtraRacesTwisted Meadows (there were other itterations of ExtraRaces maps), but those maps don't work on a version higher than 1.20e which is sad. If you collect all the races in one map it would be amazing!

Welll these maps are made to be played large scale. As for merging all races/factions; the file size would be around 33.55 MB. That's around the filesize of a small campaign in one map. I'm fairly sure that a filesize that large would not be playable.

 

[Kristal]

Well I'd be happy to try and test if it's playable . But it would be sad if you can't merge them. May I ask for permission to copy your custom race in another smaller melee map, I am not going to take credit or anything, as I said I just want to have a smaller map to fight in with a friend or two?

 

[r.ace613]

Awesome

 

[DemonLordNinetails]

Dude, you really make mah life more happy with this map, but there are any versions where there is all the custom races?, i'll love to see that in a Tournament <3

 

[Kristal]

After soo much time playing the map, I can fairly say, it was awesome. I love how you've made the units unique, along with the lore-wise aspect. I made a lost temple version of the race, and it works flawlessly!

 

[WhiteFang]

Welll these maps are made to be played large scale. As for merging all races/factions; the file size would be around 33.55 MB. That's around the filesize of a small campaign in one map. I'm fairly sure that a filesize that large would not be playable.

Online that is.Offline it could be played.But that would require you to make AI which would be hard and time consuming

 

[knight26]

Online that is.Offline it could be played.But that would require you to make AI which would be hard and time consuming

Not necessarily. He could make the custom races available only to the human player, whilst keeping the standard races in-game for the A.I player.
Ujimasa Hojo does something like that in a few of his maps. It works like a charm ^_^.

And a good idea too!

 

[WhiteFang]

Not necessarily. He could make the custom races available only to the human player, whilst keeping the standard races in-game for the A.I player.
Ujimasa Hojo does something like that in a few of his maps. It works like a charm ^_^.

And a good idea too!

Ah yes I forgot about that

 

[Leo Akastenix]

Wazz is finally back...

 

[Wa666r]

Partly. I am still very busy in real life. I don't have much time or opportunity to work on my maps. And ever since my near finished Wretched map file got corrupt - one of my best and favorite i have ever made - I lost much motivation.

 

[Deadworker]

Sad to hear this, your races are so great and make it fun again playing a melee map. I'd also love to see your Races be playble in one map one day! Keep up the good work and be proud on what you have done so far!

 

[clockwork2]

You should make a custom MPQ to mesh together your most popular races.

 

[sarumanthecursed]

amazing map! btw aren't the forsaken do for an update?

 

[Wa666r]

I am planning on updating all my races/factions. Did you enjoy the updated version? Try put update Dalaran too, see what you think.