Quaternion Rotation

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

this makes stuff spin around its z-axis

        0: { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
        90: { 0, 0, 0.707107, 0.707107 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0.731894, 0.681418 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0.731894, 0.681418 },
        180: { 0, 0, -1, 0 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0.996917, 0.078459 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0.996917, 0.078459 },
        270: { 0, 0, 0.707107, -0.707107 },
            InTan { 0, 0, -0.67559, 0.737277 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, -0.67559, 0.737277 },
        360: { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0, -1 },

I want it to spin around its x- or y- axis
how to do that?

I tried it by using an "Euler to Quaternion"-calculator but it seems like I know far to less to use it properly
how do I have to change the values to make it rotate like I want?
(this is spinning around an attachment point
how do I make the attachment point shift its position depending on the attached units size?)

this code contains unnecessary stuff but I did not know how and what to remove and I grew tired of trying what does what so I went here to ask some smart people how to

Full Code

Version {
    FormatVersion 800,
}
Model "CycloneTarget" {
    NumHelpers 2,
    NumAttachments 2,
    BlendTime 150,
}
Sequences 3 {
    Anim "Birth" {
        Interval { 2233, 3333 },
        NonLooping,
        MaximumExtent { 0, 0, 150 },
    }
    Anim "Stand" {
        Interval { 6867, 10133 },
    }
    Anim "Death" {
        Interval { 13467, 18467 },
        NonLooping,
    }
}
GlobalSequences 2 {
    Duration 360,
    Duration 360,
}
Helper "dummy spin" {
    ObjectId 0,
    Rotation 5 {
        Hermite,
        GlobalSeqId 0,
        0: { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
        90: { 0, 0, 0.707107, 0.707107 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0.731894, 0.681418 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0.731894, 0.681418 },
        180: { 0, 0, -1, 0 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0.996917, 0.078459 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0.996917, 0.078459 },
        270: { 0, 0, 0.707107, -0.707107 },
            InTan { 0, 0, -0.67559, 0.737277 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, -0.67559, 0.737277 },
        360: { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
    }
}
Helper "dummy two spin" {
    ObjectId 1,
    Rotation 5 {
        Hermite,
        GlobalSeqId 1,
        0: { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0, 1 },
        90: { 0, 0, 0.707107, 0.707107 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0.731894, 0.681418 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0.731894, 0.681418 },
        180: { 0, 0, -1, 0 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0.996917, 0.078459 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0.996917, 0.078459 },
        270: { 0, 0, 0.707107, -0.707107 },
            InTan { 0, 0, -0.67559, 0.737277 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, -0.67559, 0.737277 },
        360: { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0, -1 },
    }
}
Attachment "Sprite First Ref" {
    ObjectId 2,
    Parent 0,
    Translation 1 {
        Hermite,
        6867: { 0, 0, 0 },
            InTan { 0, 0, 0 },
            OutTan { 0, 0, 0 },
    }
    AttachmentID 0,
}
Attachment "Sprite Second Ref" {
    ObjectId 3,
    Parent 1,
    AttachmentID 1,
}
PivotPoints 4 {
    { 0, 0, 0 },
    { 0, 0, 0 },
    { 0, 0, 0 },
    { 0, 0, 0 },
}

for infos why I want to do it go here:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...lone-abuse-cyclone-for-rotating-units-139232/

 

[Taylor Mouse]

I don't really know the answer to thiq, but I would open up MAX, rotate something around the desired axis, export it using NeoDex and check the code of the mdl file and then try to understand how it works ....

T.

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

I don't really know the answer to thiq, but I would open up MAX, rotate something around the desired axis, export it using NeoDex and check the code of the mdl file and then try to understand how it works ....

T.

I once installed it on my old pc a long time ago and it was an epic struggle doing it

however this should be an animation and not static stuff (and I would have to learn how to animate rotating attachment points in dmax and I only found bone-concerning tutorials)

thx anyway

gonna try a bit more
maybe I will be lucky x)

 

[BlinkBoy]

if all you want to do is switch the axi from z to x, do this:

270: { 0, 0, 0.707107, -0.707107 },

turns into

270: { 0.707107, 0, 0, -0.707107 },

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

if all you want to do is switch the axi from z to x, do this:

270: { 0, 0, 0.707107, -0.707107 },

turns into

270: { 0.707107, 0, 0, -0.707107 },

does not work

now the unit turns around instantly when the frame is reached (not sure about it because it's a little fast but changing it to slow to see that it does not work would not make lots of sence anyway)

however thanks for response this far

 

[BlinkBoy]

does not work

now the unit turns around instantly when the frame is reached (not sure about it because it's a little fast but changing it to slow to see that it does not work would not make lots of sence anyway)

however thanks for response this far

did you turn the tangents as well?

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

did you turn the tangents as well?

I didn't know what they were good for ... so no

edit: changed it to that but it still does not work

        270: { 0.707107, 0, 0, -0.707107 },
            InTan { -0.67559, 0, 0, 0.737277 },
            OutTan { -0.67559, 0, 0, 0.737277 },

 

[BlinkBoy]

I didn't know what they were good for ... so no

edit:

        270: { 0.707107, 0, 0, -0.707107 },
            InTan { -0.67559, 0, 0, 0.737277 },
            OutTan { -0.67559, 0, 0, 0.737277 },

this does not work either (don't know if this is right but it seemed logical)

could you post the model?

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

could you post the model?

no because hive recognizes multiple uploads

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...lone-abuse-cyclone-for-rotating-units-139232/

the full code is also in hidden tags in my first post

edit:
I could just rename it and upload it again but I think 1 click is ok

 

[BlinkBoy]

here try this out. I think that fixed it completely.

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

here try this out. I think that fixed it completely.

perfect

now it is possible to rotate units without creating a thousand dummys for all of them

+rep of cause

 

[BlinkBoy]

perfect

now it is possible to rotate units without creating a thousand dummys for all of them

+rep of cause

you mean rotating in the pitch and roll?

here's the dummy model. To set the angle of rotation just play the animation by index and add 90.

The first animation sets angle -90 and the last animation sets angle +90, 181 animations in total, being animation 91 the 0º.

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

you mean rotating in the pitch and roll?

here's the dummy model. To set the angle of rotation just play the animation by index and add 90.

The first animation sets angle -90 and the last animation sets angle +90, 181 animations in total, being animation 91 the 0º.

are you insane???? 90 animations!!! oO

how shall I rep them all

well...thx again

you might add this to the modelling section and say that it is very useful together with cyclone

unfortunately I can't make some badass spell with it instantly because I am out of time tomorrow and it' a little late at here already but there is work in progress

edit:
damn it!
just figured out that you can't set animation by index of cyclone oO

edit2;
testet it ingame
rotation is bugged or weird or does not work properly without setanimationbyindex

 

[BlinkBoy]

this model had been made by Inframe, I modified it a bit to be more compact and to allow Roll rotations by using other attachment.