[AI] Oakwood Forest needs an experienced AI editor!

[Sephalo]

Hey there.


The Oakwood Forest ORPG is getting bigger and bigger, and now we came to a point where we need an experienced AI editor for a issue we got.
This is our problem:
Unit A = owned by Player 1
Unit B = owned by Player 10
Unit C = owned by Player 10

Unit A attacks unit B. Unit C is ~600 range away from unit B. We got our Creep Camp Radius to 250 because we want this to be a small amount. This doesn't affect units owned by Player 10. So what happens.. Unit C is going to help Unit B. We don't want this! He is 600 range away so should just stay there pretending like he doesn't know that unit B is getting attacked.

Someone here knows how to fix this issue?

Thanks,

Teuncreemers

 

[Pharaoh_]

Did you change both Combat - Call for Help Range and Combat - Call for Help Range, Creeps?

 

[Sephalo]

Did you change both Combat - Call for Help Range and Combat - Call for Help Range, Creeps?

Never heard of that.
Is that Object Editor stuff? Gonna try to find it now!

 

[Pharaoh_]

Gameplay Constants. It's the first thing you need to think of.

 

[Sephalo]

EDIT:
tried it out...
It didnt work
What now?

 

[Pharaoh_]

It works for me: View attachment Distance Check.w3x

 

[Sephalo]

I tested your map changed something and found the cause why it isn't working. I added a screenshot to show you what I changed and why it isn't working anymore (in your testmap that is).

I changed the unit owning player to computer and it doesnt work anymore.



EDIT: I suppose I found one of Wc3's limits?

 

[Sephalo]

Bump

 

[Zanekok]

that is not WC3 limit.... do it with targeting or something like that at unit option

 

[Sephalo]

Bump

 

[Bribe]

CREEPS must be NEUTRAL HOSTILE, otherwise they won't register as creeps. I had to change a MASSIVE number of units/triggers over to NEUTRAL HOSTILE because I had them under Brown Player (computer enemy). Computers have far more aggressive AI than Neutral Hostile.

Change all of the units you want to stick to a light radius to Neutral Hostile. Enemies you want to build and be aggressive change to Computer, and ally the two players.

 

[Sephalo]

CREEPS must be NEUTRAL HOSTILE, otherwise they won't register as creeps. I had to change a MASSIVE number of units/triggers over to NEUTRAL HOSTILE because I had them under Brown Player (computer enemy). Computers have far more aggressive AI than Neutral Hostile.

Change all of the units you want to stick to a light radius to Neutral Hostile. Enemies you want to build and be aggressive change to Computer, and ally the two players.

And now the thing about this topic.

What if that isn't an option?

Then I would need someone good at making AI's. And that would explain this post

Thanks for thinking with me but it's not a good solution. The 'creeps' just have to be a player in my map. It's an RPG and.. hmm. Let's think about WoW.. The guards in a city like Orgrimmar are from a 'player' they are killeable by enemies but friendly to allies. Neutral Hostile will always be unfriendly to anyone.

 

[Hordeon]

use triggers then.

 

[RaiN.]

use triggers then.

Making AI using the trigger editor is just lame cuz it fucks up other things like current orders etc(unless you want to spend shitloads of time and make it ressource heavy). Just having someone who knows shit bout AI editing would be way better.

 

[Bribe]

AI is not something most people here have experience with. Why don't you learn it yourself?

 

[overload119]

You could create an in-combat system that marks people in combat.

If a unit enters combat - Enum nearby creeps - If creeps distance > 600 then issue them to stop.

 

[Ironside]

Hmm, well I'm quite good with AI editor. But I got an Idea. Order unit C to hold position, that way he cannot move away from his spot. So aslong as C has less range than 600 this will work perfectly.

And if your C has range over 600 then pause him, and unpause when you need to use him again.

 

[Sephalo]

Yeah that should be a possibility for a triggered system.
Thanks for the thought