Necropolis v0.9b

[Moderator]

17:19, 29th Aug 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Approved

 

[Super-Sheep]

-Endless ways to abuse corpses

Ehehehe ...

 

[Tleno]

Hmmm this looks like a nice concept... does gameplay strongly depend from what Hero you choose? I'd like to see some short descrptions of what different heroes can do...

 

[crawlers]

bugg : i testes vs 6 insanes (i know they dont do anything) and i captured 4 crypts yet i could not make units that required 2 crypts

abuse: bone prophet can summon a few soldiers to feed it's self exp

bugg : on deflective shield it says it increases health regen by 100 . . . is that a typing error or an epic imbalance ?

bugg : an upgrade on enforcer says it allows deathbound when in reality it is allways available

bugg: hand of fate does not work; it targets allies and does not damage them

bugg: the first upgrade that gives mana and health to "gravekeepers" seams to have no effect; i found no unit that had benefit and at least the abom and lich did not benefit

 

[Kino]

bugg : i testes vs 6 insanes (i know they dont do anything) and i captured 4 crypts yet i could not make units that required 2 crypts

There is no AI

abuse: bone prophet can summon a few soldiers to feed it's self exp

Intended.

bugg : on deflective shield it says it increases health regen by 100 . . . is that a typing error or an epic imbalance ?

bugg : an upgrade on enforcer says it allows deathbound when in reality it is allways available

Ill take a look into that.

bugg: hand of fate does not work; it targets allies and does not damage them

Working fine, Its not meant to damage allies.

bugg: the first upgrade that gives mana and health to "gravekeepers" seams to have no effect; i found no unit that had benefit and at least the abom and lich did not benefit

Working fine, nowhere in the tooltip does it say heroes benefit from the upgrade.

Hmmm this looks like a nice concept... does gameplay strongly depend from what Hero you choose? I'd like to see some short descrptions of what different heroes can do...

I someways yes, each hero does unofficially support a certain strategy or mercenary type. For example, Corpse Giant has various abilities to create new corpses for summoning purpose. As a result you need not need to kill or be near a crypt in order to start sumoning etc.

 

[Tleno]

You know, you could add the descriptions of all heroes, their abilities and a short summary of gameplay playing with that hero to the hidden tag... extra information is always welcome.

 

[Kino]

Sure, Ill do that in moment

 

[CeDiL]

Well, this map is pretty good! I like it, it's interesting you need to think how to fight enemies, build armies, upgrade them. Some footman frenzy-like game but with lower hero activity. The map needs a bit of unit and spell balancing in my vision, the visual looking is very good, I like the terrain very much, great job with it. The spells selected for each hero, unit fit them, the skins and models selected are not bad too. The map's size is small. The used language is adequate. An overall of a 4/5 Good! I enjoyed it, continue updating.

 

[crawlers]

the problem with the update is that i couldnt find ANYTHING that benefited from it--it is a useless upgrade because it upgrades nothing to have +50 HP/MP

 

[Kino]

the problem with the update is that i couldnt find ANYTHING that benefited from it--it is a useless upgrade because it upgrades nothing to have +50 HP/MP

Well Ive double checked everything and Im sure the Necropolis unit does benefit from it.

Well, this map is pretty good! I like it, it's interesting you need to think how to fight enemies, build armies, upgrade them. Some footman frenzy-like game but with lower hero activity. The map needs a bit of unit and spell balancing in my vision, the visual looking is very good, I like the terrain very much, great job with it. The spells selected for each hero, unit fit them, the skins and models selected are not bad too. The map's size is small. The used language is adequate. An overall of a 4/5 Good! I enjoyed it, continue updating.

What exactly do you think is the most urgent balance problem right now?

 

[Magnet199]

Map seems amazing testing now (^^)

EDIT: OK, tested here is what i got:

Stuff Bad/didnt like:
- whats with the middle building?

Stuff i Liked/awesome:
- everything
- terrain is nice
- unit perfect
- heroes awesome
- IDEA NEW
- the flying building (^^)

Suggestions:
- new cool stuff

map is amazing and i will play it soon 6v6, because alone i got really happy, what if 6v6 (^^)

Rate: 5/5
Rep: 1+

Great Map, Keep it up

 

[Kino]

whats with the middle building?

Its a shop for really high level items which I will add in a few versions.

 

[Magnet199]

ahaaaa i see good luck on the next versions I'm looking forward to them

 

[AuroN2]

Endless ways to abuse corpses? Cooooool...

 

[Leak-]

In v0.4: there's floating debug text whenever one unit attacks or gets attacked.

I also spotted numerous spelling tooltip errors while perusing the ability and item tooltips: if you think it's worth fixing, I'll let you know if it helps!

 

[Kino]

Ah crap I knew I forgot to do something...

Will fix in a second.

Anyway what are these tooltip errors?

 

[Leak-]

If you press 'esc', it levels your hero to 15. This is only for single player right? In other words, it's disable for multiplayer right? If this is intended, it should be explained to players in the Quests page.

Loading screen: opponents
Ash Nomad's Kriss: probably
Canopic Jar: thankful
Sapphire Locket: jewelry
Castlebreaker's Horn: can't, playing with*
Engraved Slab: probably

I'll review the hero tooltips later!

 

[Tleno]

Are those grammar mistakes or whatever you're reviewing?

 

[Magnet199]

HEY BUDDY
Map will be rejected due to:
- game wont end, it says capture all crypts to win, i did in 2v2, dude wont finish :S
- player 2 blue, no food :S!!!!
- ally breaks crypt = no more crypt lol

see :P

Please fix, and i think u never finished a whole game -_-

Edit: the tooltip for the grave, eh the lich guy, ultimate WRONG Tool tip, it says 15 corpses, but i get an infernal :S
another thing, the undead woman, drow ranger so useless
and finally, i am lich now, i create the nutrals, and use the teleport ability, thats 10 gold each
MOST IMPORTANT: i cant sell items

Rate: from 5/5 to 3/5 untill fixed :S

 

[Kino]

My apologies, I forgot to remove alot of the experimental test stuff this version.
0.4a will come as soon as I compile all the problems.

 

[Magnet199]

Please do, because i really like this map and i think it can be even more awesome

 

[Tleno]

Well yeah, immprovements are always welcome.

 

[Orcnet]

Map Review

The "Necropolis" - A map made by Kino. He embarks his newly created "Offensive/Push" map that has a similarity with the infamous "Footmen Frenzy" type of game, only better.

Map Review

Necropolis v0.4b

Rating System

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

General:

Gameplay-[5/5]
Note: Were I pronounce your game challenging or a waste of time.

Playability-[5/5]
Note: This part tells me if the game is rather fun and can be played again and again.

Terrain-[5/5]
Note: Were I tell your game's environmental display is either great or terrible.

Managing-[5/5]
Note: This is were I explain the output or outcome quality of the game.

Bug/s
Note: No score, just to tell your map has bugs on it or simply bug-free.

Overall-[20/20]

About My Reputations:

My complements for the Maker/s of the map's game.

Were I explain your map needs to get fix or make an improvement of your work.

Overview

Gameplay

The Game was Perfect! its like an FF type of game but much more of a dark side version, a real bony features.

Playability

Its Great, it has some really astonishing elements inside of the game which I like it so much.

Terrain

The Terrain was brilliant! its clean, smooth and has good fixes!, no terrain abuse whatsoever, good job!.

Managing

Well, just few mispelled texts are just the problem, but no worries your game is still a badass! although you don't have any AI implemented for the map, I hope you can make one, nevertheless, your management was good.

Bug/s

I found a Bug! its says "Keep up the Good Work!"

Total Score

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	20/20	100%	A

Excellent!

Hope you can do better than before, Goodluck!
happy map-making!

 

[AIagremm]

Hm, looks quite interesting... though from the screens I recommend one thing to do: tint the ziggurats to be yellowish, maybe 255 255 100 or 200 200 75.

 

[Kino]

ziggurats to be yellowish, maybe 255 255 100 or 200 200 75.

I just tried it and sadly it looks terrible, its something about the green tinge the model has that makes it really ugly when tinted.

 

[AIagremm]

What green thing? Oo
Oh, Im not talking about the Ziggurat building, I mean the Nerubian ziggurat models you use for crypts.

 

[Kino]

Yeah exactly, the model has a funny green glow to it that looks really wierd when you tint it.

 

[AIagremm]

What green glow? Oo
I thought it was just a gray model.

 

[Kino]

Yes the model becomes strangely green whenever you reduce the blue tint of it.

 

[Magnet199]

ok, going to test now to change the rate (Caution: rate may decrease or increase depends on bugs)

EDIT: ehe, tested here is what i got:

The Bad Stuff:
- eh, i really liked the flying building, you know why? because it wasn't buggy!!, the new idea of crypts that spawn units automatically, doesn't work when u conquer other crypts, if that was your idea to keep only the main one to create, well its stupid, while units try to reach the nearest crypt, they got 10 sec before their timer runs out :S
- um, there are some spelling mistakes, for example this one

dmaage

should be = damage
- and another one, for the ghost chilly guy (sorry forgot his name :S) his special skeletons, says "This units can go frenzy", but its actually rampage written/shown
^ these are just spelling/grammar mistakes not a big deal, can you just please tell me what is happening with the crypts, because maybe i did something wrong :S

The good stuff:
- new items in the middle
- more crypts
- terrain changed little bit, no more blanks i guess

Suggestions:
- bring that flying building back :'(

Note:
im not trying to keep the rating as it is right now, but after you explain if i did something wrong with the crypts, or fix the problem, um i could change it

Rate: 3/5 (still untill explained or changed)
Rep: 1+ for working on the map hard
Vote: -

Please dont stop working on it

 

[Kino]

- eh, i really liked the flying building, you know why? because it wasn't buggy!!, the new idea of crypts that spawn units automatically, doesn't work when u conquer other crypts, if that was your idea to keep only the main one to create, well its stupid, while units try to reach the nearest crypt, they got 10 sec before their timer runs out :S

The new system isnt buggy at all, infact I did it because it was more compact and easier to understand. Just think of it as an auto spawn like footemn wars or something.

As to why only the main Crypt spawns is due to snowballing. If all the Crypts spawned minions, the game would very early on favour those who gain the upper hand first. Fighting back once the enemy has more Crypts than you would be impossible.

Personally they last long enough for me to attack and constantly siege enemy bases. They have at minimum 3/4 life left when they reach the enemy Crypt.
I might add 4 more Crypts to the outer corners of the map to make the walk shorter.

should be = damage

I know how to spell ;P

- and another one, for the ghost chilly guy (sorry forgot his name :S) his special skeletons, says "This units can go frenzy", but its actually rampage written/shown

The reason why is because the word rampage really menas nothing. If the tooltip said "this unit can rampage" it really proves nothing. However anyone who has played a melee game before knows what frenzy is and can instantly relate that the unit can increase its attackspeed.

 

[Magnet199]

ok you explained some points, last point was:
is there like change spawn from crypt to crypt or just main building?

^
after this answered rate will change

 

[Kino]

Yes, the set main crypt button on your crypt allows you to change the spawn point.

 

[Magnet199]

ok thank you for explaining map rating changed

Rate: 3/5 to 5/5 for the big improvments

keep up the great work

 

[Leak-]

bizarre, whenever i select a group of skeleton soldiers, the game crashes for me. it's no problem when i select one skeleton soldier though. i play on a mac, which is probably why. it didn't happen before when i tested the map back in early march though (again, on a mac).

 

[Kino]

bizarre, whenever i select a group of skeleton soldiers, the game crashes for me. it's no problem when i select one skeleton soldier though. i play on a mac, which is probably why. it didn't happen before when i tested the map back in early march though (again, on a mac).

Seems to be an icon issue here, after testing this with a mac user.

I could have it fixed like now but there are alot of stuff thats just hanging there unfinished with the map.

Also you said a while ago you would review spelling errors but never did.

 

[Leak-]

i didn't know if it was useful to or you not. i'll start to resume properly reviewing tooltips. will PM you them later. also, in the upper-right hand corner of the map, it still says Necropolis v0.1 .

hopefully you can get that icon issue fixed though.

 

[Kino]

I can get it fixed in like 5 mins, problem is that the rest of the map lies in pieces and cant be put back together for a few days.

 

[Zordrak]

I love your terrain, it's wonderful. The perfect temple. I will use these ideas for my map.