Mirage Cave

[WolfFarkas]

hey nice map,

can I use this type of organization in my description??. I like to take a lot of screens but then, it gets very disorder and chaotic.

 

[Folderz]

hey nice map,

can I use this type of organization in my description??. I like to take a lot of screens but then, it gets very disorder and chaotic.

Thanks

Sure buddy you can copy this format and just for tip upload your map pictures to hive album and link pics from there for nice and secure display

 

[Nudl9]

1# Purpleish water + energy combo is pretty cool.
2# Try dark magenta fog, could work here.
3# Open shop camp, seems fun to play here.
4# Change shop camp drop to perma4+powerup1 or charged3+powerup1. Charged4 is very strong. This camp is also nasty for humans since they get casters + the nova. Used something more standard.
5# Merc camp is pretty noisey in term of textures.
6# Natural expansion is too far away for HU to milita creep it. It's also a little too easy to creep. (Unless this was intentional to compensate for no milita)
7# Just don't use Murloc Plaguebearer creeps, they are very very nasty and deals tons of damage. Not good for balance.
8# Murloc Flesheaters are also a bit ehh, Cannibalize makes it so that they take ages to kill. Very annoying. Just murguls or murlocs instead.
9# It will be hard to expand because gold mines are located between both players. This is generally bad for HU balance.
10# Salamanders are also bad for balance. Immolation bad for HU. Creeps with Mana Burn is universally hated.
11# Consider replacing some of the creeps with the purple ashenvale trolls.
12# Try to steer away from Lava Cracks and Brick textures where there are units or where players will play. Noisey textures make it harder to identify unit silhouettes.
13# Overall i like the red vs blue theme.
14# Tree pathing is filled, excellent.
15# I recommend variating more with having some large open spaces. At the moment most paths have the same width in space. This puts more importance on where you fight.

 

[Folderz]

1# Purpleish water + energy combo is pretty cool.
2# Try dark magenta fog, could work here.
3# Open shop camp, seems fun to play here.
4# Change shop camp drop to perma4+powerup1 or charged3+powerup1. Charged4 is very strong. This camp is also nasty for humans since they get casters + the nova. Used something more standard.
5# Merc camp is pretty noisey in term of textures.
6# Natural expansion is too far away for HU to milita creep it. It's also a little too easy to creep. (Unless this was intentional to compensate for no milita)
7# Just don't use Murloc Plaguebearer creeps, they are very very nasty and deals tons of damage. Not good for balance.
8# Murloc Flesheaters are also a bit ehh, Cannibalize makes it so that they take ages to kill. Very annoying. Just murguls or murlocs instead.
9# It will be hard to expand because gold mines are located between both players. This is generally bad for HU balance.
10# Salamanders are also bad for balance. Immolation bad for HU. Creeps with Mana Burn is universally hated.
11# Consider replacing some of the creeps with the purple ashenvale trolls.
12# Try to steer away from Lava Cracks and Brick textures where there are units or where players will play. Noisey textures make it harder to identify unit silhouettes.
13# Overall i like the red vs blue theme.
14# Tree pathing is filled, excellent.
15# I recommend variating more with having some large open spaces. At the moment most paths have the same width in space. This puts more importance on where you fight.

Very good and helpful feedback. I will work on every point you mentioned expect the expansion gold mine positioning and gold mine creeps. That is because I hope that expansions are fast and easy for everyone and you cannot really say which mine enemy chooses. But I might even change my mind on that if more people agree with you. Thanks

Edit: Map updated

 

[Mr.Henci]

I really like the idea behind terrain here, good job on that. My only bigger problem would be narrow corridors which might cause bigger armies to block each other out. Also, there is no "natural" gold mine expansion since both of the players are nearly the same distance from both gold mines. This could mean rather hard expanding for some races. Nice visuals though, I really enjoy it.

 

[Folderz]

I really like the idea behind terrain here, good job on that. My only bigger problem would be narrow corridors which might cause bigger armies to block each other out. Also, there is no "natural" gold mine expansion since both of the players are nearly the same distance from both gold mines. This could mean rather hard expanding for some races. Nice visuals though, I really enjoy it.

I hope the gold mine positioning helps to make games faster so big armies wont cause problems. We'll see how it plays out. Visuals are important for me so it's good to know this double color theme works in some way. Thanks and btw nice profile pic you got there

 

[mafe]

I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by this map. Normally when I see such an unusual design, I'm prejudiced and expect that the mapmaker put style over substance, but this does not seem to be the case here. But the majority of gameplay aspects are good. I still have a few complaints however:
-Why are the creeps at the shops and merc camps not on camp stance? Given therir positioning, it isnt necessary, but it could be a cause of irritation for players.
-The main gold mines are very open. It will be difficult to wall for players, which is standard in many 1v1 matchups.
-Getting "just" a lvl 4 item from the red camps seems a little underwhelming, maybe add a tome.
-The expansions seem hard to defend. This could be a problem in the ud vs hu matchup (well, it surely would have been in previous patches). Also it makes expanding a less attractive strategy in general, which I do not see as an upside.
-There should be a critter around the skeletons which dont leave corpses behind.
-Some areas of the map look as there were creeps there in earlier versions?
-I also see the narrow corridors as a potential issue.

The style of the map is very well done. And I also like the selection of creeps. Itemdrops are mostly good.
I cant point out a feature that absolutely needs fixing, but there seem to be a few "quick wins", which I'd like to see changed before approving the map. Changing the stuff requiring more time to fix (corridors, possible relocation of expansions) isnt necessary, but it might be a good idea nevertheless. Therefore I'm setting the map to Awaiting Update.

 

[mafe]

No changes in almost 3 months. I'm kinda sad as it feels like a waste, but therefore I'm setting the map to Substandard.
I still hope you will make changes at some point; if you do, please contact me or another reviewer.

 

[Folderz]

No changes in almost 3 months. I'm kinda sad as it feels like a waste, but therefore I'm setting the map to Substandard.
I still hope you will make changes at some point; if you do, please contact me or another reviewer.

Fixed and updated almost everything you suggested. The narrow corridors are big problem. There is no fixing that other than remaking the map. Sorry for the long wait mafe

Spoiler: things fixed

- merc camp creeps set on camp stance
- closed main gold mines more with trees
- red camps now drop a lvl 4 permament item and a lvl 1 powerup
- added 2 more expansion gold mines
- added 2 more green camps
- added critters around the skeletons
- added a tree next to the tavern

And to answer your question: -Some areas of the map look as there were creeps there in earlier versions?
Nope. If there are weird looking areas that don't serve the normal gameplay it is so that a creative player can find surprising use for these parts of the map. For an example I left little tower/catapult hideout in the woods next to the main gold mines in this update.

 

[mafe]

Set back to pending, so I don't forget about it. Will review again later, might take a few days.

 

[mafe]

So....
-Creeps on shops and merc camps are now on camp stance. The shops can still be used without aggroin the creeps though, which normally isnt/shoudlnt be the case.
-Main bases are better now, the red one still seems to be more open than the blue one.
-Item drops at red spot are ok now.
-Early game expansion is still very risky, but in the midgame, the addition of the new expansion surely is an improvement.
-Critters have been added near the corpse-less creep camp.
-Tree near tavern is convenient.

I still think the map has too many "paths" where there could be more open areas instead. Nevertheless, the changes are good and deal with the majority of issues that existed before. Map approved.

 

[Otherknownoise]

It may also used for 2v2 I think. But the path is kinda thin.

 

[Folderz]

If I ever make another melee map again the lesson here is just to make everything much more wider and open. Thanks for the approval mafe.

It may also used for 2v2 I think. But the path is kinda thin.

2v2 would be cool only if narrow paths would allow that. You can add extra spawns there and play it however you like.