Is there any chance to improve Reforged Editor?

[Enemy1PK]

As some may know, I am the current author of YDWE PK
YDWE is a wc3 map editor with much more advantages than Reforged editor or JNGP.
Sometimes I see the hacks Reforged editor enjoyers make, it looks very cringeworthy in 2025, and I feel sorry for these users, I understand why many use Reforged editor and I don’t blame them (although I honestly think it’s a stupid choice). It's a mystery to me why they can't at least add most of the functions from JASS to the GUI.
If the original author of YDWE could do this with a memory hack, surely the blizzard developers could make it even easier, but for some reason they don't.

So I have a question for more experienced people who have tried to communicate with Blizzard: Are they complete idiots, or is there a chance to interact with them?
Theoretically I could work on adding a new GUI and other things, after all, I have a lot of experience in that area.
YDWE is an open-source project, and there's no problem borrowing some of its advantages to make life more comfortable for other users.
Even the current reforged blz natives were borrowed from YDWE. But you still even can't create objects in coordinates or destroy location without custom code. Bruh.

So I'm asking if there's any point in trying to contact blizzard about this?
Personally, I think they still naively believe that wc3 is interesting to people precisely as a default battle in classic mode, and therefore mapmaker support is not a priority.

 

[deepstrasz]

Why don't you just try contacting them yourself on the official Warcraft III forums?

 

[A]mun]

It's all business i would say. Little profit to be had with Wc3 these days - so they're doing the bare minimum, if even that.

Your project is really impressive and i'd at this point encourage you to make it compatible with reforged, if possible.
I for one like to stay up to date in order to play on b.net. Also, surprisingly the latest updates are even pretty good:

• most new natives now work as expected
• 64 tiles
• doodad limit from 30000 to 130000
• The following features can now be found under Map Options
  • Added the ability to force players to use a specific zoom level
  • Added the ability to remove the ‘!’ from denying appearing
• Added a new ability [Amgi]. This ability prevents bouncing missile attacks from bouncing to and from structures
  • Users will be able to modify the Targets Allowed field in this ability to modify which unit type will stop the bounces.
• Added a new ability [AUa2]. This ability is the new version of Animate Dead that allows units to carry over their abilities
• And hotkeys for inventory (finally)

 

[Enemy1PK]

Why don't you just try contacting them yourself on the official Warcraft III forums?

I think you would know the answer if you spent your free time doing something other than addition of reactions to any comments.
In any case, I decided to do it this way, you can just ignore me and then nothing will change, this is also an acceptable option.

64 tiles

I've heard about this, and in a way, it suggests that Reforged may eventually offer features that will leave old patches behind. So it's a bit odd that they're ignoring something as simple as adding a new GUI, even though it's clear that most developers use this method because it's the simplest.
It's not 2012 anymore, the community is in severe decline, and I don't plan on being a programmer, so I'm not ready to repeat actboy168's feat and work on a pirated version of the world editor.
If anyone's should to do that, it's the developers from Blizzard , they get paid for it. I can only help because I have extensive experience in this.

Anyway, I've been on a bit of a wc3 crash course in the last couple of years, so I agree with actboy168 - go outside, there are so many great things out there that are way more interesting than a game that's ~20 years old.
I just think that since I already got this knowledge, it would be better to share it with someone who still needs it, it’s the same as leaving wc3 and leaving someone the source code of your map.

 

[deepstrasz]

I think you would know the answer if you spent your free time doing something other than addition of reactions to any comments.
In any case, I decided to do it this way, you can just ignore me and then nothing will change, this is also an acceptable option.

Lame answer. Even Retera who "hates" them even does that. I feel you're wasting your time this way rather since you saw the community's interest in YDWE PK is rather thin.

 

[Enemy1PK]

Lame answer. Even Retera who "hates" them even does that. I feel you're wasting your time this way rather since you saw the community's interest in YDWE PK is rather thin.

I haven't wasted my time for a long time, YDWE is complete, when bugs are found or new functionality is requested, I add it because it's easy for me.
And it’s strange to hear this from a person who wrote 20,000 meaningless messages and even more reactions.
Actually, this is one of the reasons why I wrote here and not on the blizzard forums, if no one can answer this simple question, then I just won’t waste my time on it, I have understood JASS for a long time and don’t even use a Reforged editor.
I provided a fishing rod, people can fish with it or use it for rectal pleasure, everyone makes their own choice.

 

[deepstrasz]

And it’s strange to hear this from a person who wrote 20,000 meaningless messages and even more reactions.
Actually, this is one of the reasons why I wrote here and not on the blizzard forums, if no one can answer this simple question, then I just won’t waste my time on it, I have understood JASS for a long time and don’t even use a Reforged editor.

Yet you continue to waste your time with ad hominems instead of posting where it actually matters, on the official forums where you want YDWE to improve Reforged's editor.
Good luck. Perhaps someone will write instead of you.

 

[Enemy1PK]

Yet you continue to waste your time with ad hominems

I don't have any serious complaints about you, but I'll be honest, I don't like you.
The reason is that you always come up with something I absolutely don't need (questions like, "Why a new topic?" or "Why don't you do it differently?" etc.)
It turns out you always come up with something unpleasant, something that bothers me. I don't remember a single time your visit brought anything pleasant.
What about your comments about me wasting my time and that no one cares about my project?
Or are you going to justify it by saying I started first? But those are two different things. I was talking about pointless actions that even a seven-year-old can do, and you've demeaned a rather difficult task that most users here wouldn't be able to handle.
And what’s even worse is that you hold some kind of official position here, you simply don’t have the right to say such things.
I also don't like this circus with reactions to every comment. You know what they say about Hive outside of it? "My project hasn't been approved for a year, so fuck Hive." "The local moderator is weirdo, constantly reacting to every comment" I can provide screenshots if you want.
That is, your behavior only worsens the situation, it looks like mockery, given how people have 3+ projects that don't receive approval for months or even years. By the way, I am one of them, although for me it doesn’t really matter.

If I were an administrator, I'd strip you of all privileges for your previous post.
How could anyone even think of telling someone that their project is useless and they're wasting their time? Let me remind you that this is a gathering place for people who want and are trying to do something, so this is literally a slap in the face to the entire community.
Try mastering at least intermediate JASS first before making such claims.
Once you start doing something more complex than reacting to comments, you might realize how wrong you were.

 

[deepstrasz]

I don't have any serious complaints about you, but I'll be honest, I don't like you.

Well, I'm sorry. As far as I remember I didn't do anything bad to you but simply exist and am not being liked by you. As you, I can at least subjectively say it's not my problem.

What about your comments about me wasting my time and that no one cares about my project?

I did not say your project is not to be cared about, good or useful. I just wrote it is not something most users here will get hyped for. But then again, other similar unofficial programs are not popular.

And what’s even worse is that you hold some kind of official position here, you simply don’t have the right to say such things.

I don't hold any official position. I'm just a simple map reviewer.
I am confused as to what I am not at right to say since you quoted me criticizing you for attacking me personally here rather than be on topic.
Like any user on the site, I am allowed to post in threads. And I was not doing anything but advising you to write where it mattered more since you were aiming this thing at Blizzard, not this community.

Not sure why you're being so aggressive though. I feel this should have been solved some posts ago. Regardless, I will not continue this since it's pointless. It becomes obvious you're more interested in staying on and feeding a high horse than actually caring about the topic at all.
You may think whatever you want of me. Everyone with how much they can.

I also don't like this circus with reactions to every comment. You know what they say about Hive outside of it? "My project hasn't been approved for a year, so fuck Hive." "The local moderator is weirdo, constantly reacting to every comment" I can provide screenshots if you want.

I am not sure if this is specifically intended as an attack against me or the site. If it's the latter and you're thinking the same way, no one's forcing you to stay here. If it's the first, then good luck finding people to kill their free time for this (we're just two map reviewers). Also, I can hardly remember a map that wasn't moderated in such a long time for no reasons at all. Not all maps get the approved status by the way. Some get rejected or remain in awaiting update limbo until they're fixed.
You're free to ignore me (there's a button on any user's profile for that) if you so much despise me.

That is, your behavior only worsens the situation, it looks like mockery, given how people have 3+ projects that don't receive approval for months or even years. By the way, I am one of them, although for me it doesn’t really matter.

I am not mocking your work. I am satirizing your refusal to post on the official forums. To be fair, you've started the thread mocking the Warcraft III team.
Sorry, I am not moderating anything but maps. I remember there's only one tool reviewer/moderator and some things like your edited custom editor need proper time for testing and reviewing. I imagine you don't prefer a 5/5 approved message with a thumbs up. Take note that everyone here is doing this resource moderation process in their spare time. Resources (like your editor) are publicly available to anyone even before being moderated, so I don't see why you're so hurried to get the official thumbs up when it matters more for people to actually use it and give feedback.

If I were an administrator, I'd strip you of all privileges for your previous post.

Yeah, well, it's not a tsarits, soviet or you name it type of tyranny site. If it were, I wouldn't be here.

How could anyone even think of telling someone that their project is useless and they're wasting their time? Let me remind you that this is a gathering place for people who want and are trying to do something, so this is literally a slap in the face to the entire community.

Again, sorry but that's not what I meant. I repeatedly expressed that you're wasting time posting here on HIVE when you want Blizzard to get the editor upgraded like YDWE. I am totally referring to this thread, not your work.

Here's why it's important as I previously mentioned Retera doing it.

From his video.
Here's how he helped: Instead of Tile Limit Increase, Easier Faster Better Feature

So anyway, sorry again and I'll be keeping away from this thread. Thanks.

 

[WilliamBz]

Are they complete idiots, or is there a chance to interact with them?

I think they are complete idiots, but you have a chance to interact. But first, let me remind what they did with Armies of Azeroth. They were reposted it and saw that the project becomes very popular. So, they made 1000000% badder Reforged. This was destroyed WAA mod. So, we should use old Warcraft now, and we don't have a WAA. I spoke to the authors, and they really thought the Reforged better than their project. And after that, they published combine mode with other author. It's better than nothing, but WAA mod can be much better if complete.

So, you should understand, that you'll take non cent from them for your ideas. They never make anything better than you. They will add a million useless features and many more bugs. And probably ruin your project because it looks badder to the first view than their. So, I recommend don't speak with them.

P.S.
I think modern Blizzard is not the 20-year past Blizzard. And never will. The only way to get the game better than WC3, is to create a new one. We already saw dummy Stormgate. And we can see perspective The Scouring. Will see. But Warcraft 3 is Warcraft 3. Nothing will replace it.

 

[khopesh]

Is there any chance to improve Reforged Editor?​

Maybe if Netflix or HBO make a series with all the Warcraft mythology, all the games will receive the attention and development to make that possible.

 

[Homor]

I'm still waiting on Community Edition to come out with its own World Editor that's compatible with newer maps.

The fact that CE lets you play maps beyond 1.29 but not edit them is pretty weird. I know there's probably technical reasons for it, but it doesn't make it feel any less jarring.

 

[wiselen]

I spoke to the authors, and they really thought the Reforged better than their project.

It is. Despite all the shortcomings of reforged graphics, no independent team could or will be able to do better

 

[WilliamBz]

It is. Despite all the shortcomings of reforged graphics, no independent team could or will be able to do better

If we consider this issue in terms of the number of polygons, yes. But from the point of view of stylistics unsuitable for warcraft 3, artistic component, unreadability on the battlefield, and hyper disproportionality, no. These are not models for Warcraft 3. These are models for a different game.

That's why WAA's models better.