Hunt or be Hunted v1.1a

[Moderator]

03:12, 16th Jul 2015
Shadow Fury: Map set to needs fix with a rating of 1/5. It's an unusual case that a 1/5 is not rejected so please work on this.

 

[Arad MNK]

Better Description Please!
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/miscellaneous-tutorials-456/map-description-templates-171659/

 

[Ardenian]

Review Hunt or be Hunted v1.0 First Release Ambience and Aesthetics Hunt or be Hunted games, like Evolve live from having the opportunity to hide, suddenly attacks from a hidden passage ( also seen in Aeon of Strife and Dota maps) as well as searching and hunting for the enemy. Your map, LTWasabi, completely misses this important point. The design of your map shows you already tried to give different kind of areas, but the overall, total lack of any doodad on the ground is unacceptable. A forest does not consist only of trees and grass. Think about stones, hills, secret passages in the undergrowth, many different aspects of a forest, like little ponds and a more swamps-like area , then a more rough area with stones and so on. Take a look on the terrain tutorials ( ctrl+F for keywords), you can greatly improve the terrain. Gameplay and Features The gameplay felt overall simple. Due to the lack of choosing the nest position as well as choosing the Hunter's base position the game did not offer the hunting factor I hoped for. If you give the players a base, always at the same position, why is it considered hunting then ? Even if the Beast's nest is invulnerable, the lack of hiding positions and opportunities ruin the hunting. I suggest you, LTWasabi, that you think about your choice to not make players choose their base position. The Hunters are a modified race based on the default human race. You might think about adding different build techs or race variations, to give your map some replayability. Result Hunt or be Hunted offer simple hunt and run gameplay which could be greatly improved. The lack of features and a small map size do not promise long and exciting gameplay. LTWasabi, you could greatly improve this map, in standards of terrain, ambience and gameplay. I vote for Needs Fix/ Awaiting Update

 

[LTWasabi]

Currently working on it. I actually tried implementing the "Hidden Passage" but it was kinda faulty. Would be great if you could give me some "How-To"s or a link to some.

 

[Ardenian]

Currently working on it. I actually tried implementing the "Hidden Passage" but it was kinda faulty. Would be great if you could give me some "How-To"s or a link to some.

Yes, it is not easy.
I would recommend you to look first on this tutorial and then on this.
Note, you do not have to follow all of the details mentioned in the tutorials, they are quite advanced ( like Fog, Mist and water reflection). Focus on basic terrain stuff first.
Try to search for some in the tutorial section, too, there are many more that can help you.

 

[LTWasabi]

Thanx!

 

[LTWasabi]

I know the much needed "Choosable Nest Location" update took too long. But was kinda busy with exams and whatnot. Well, currently working on the hiding spots/Visibility feature. Added some in this update, but its a by-product of the difference in the height levels of terrain. Found a way to add hiding spots without depending on terrain. Next update will feature it and maybe a new Beast and some New Hunter Units.

 

[Shadow Fury]

First thing, don't double post. Second thing, short review:

Terrain
Not a lot to add on what Ardenian said. No tile variation was seen at all, just Dark Grass almost everywhere. Some areas were completely done with the Rock tile, totally ruining their look. The strong lack of doodads is also a contributing factor to cheap aesthetics. The demons part, for instance, didn't feel minimumly like a place for demons. Even worse was the zone where the "god" resided. Just some smoke smudges, a volcano, a futile camera prop and small signs of other doodads. You need to do better in this category because visuals count a lot. They should be your second priority after gameplay.

Gameplay
Not really that kind of exciting gameplay one would expect. In the beginning, if you are the beast, it's just a matter of killing creeps to gain experience. If the two beasts had at least some interesting skills and not some pseudo-default abilities, it wouldn't be so boring. The only good skill was Savagery but, what the hell, you required 12 damn triggers to create it!! Isn't that a bit excessive? Anyway, the same thing I said about the beasts goes for the humans except that instead of hunting creeps only they can harvest resources. I wouldn't call the race intriguing either because it seems a copy-paste of the old human race with some new additions, nothing more. The presence of default units ruins the originality of the game. Basically, you need a more thrilling gameplay because in its current state it does not offer anything exciting or innovative. Get your creativity to work!

Other Issues
Oh well, here there is just one thing to discuss... green icons. You may have noticed that when you pause the game, the icons for the skills of the nest turn green. That's forbidden according to the Map Submission Rules and since there are no DISBTNs to the icons you used, you must change them to other different icons.

Final Verdict
Eventually, the map is far too poor for an approval. It shall be set to Needs Fix with a rating of 1/5. Normally, 1/5 maps would be rejected but I see potential in this one so I prefer to await a further update instead of rejecting it.