Gods vs Devils ! v.1.04

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ap0: Rejected

18:06, 16th Jul 2009
PurplePoot: I've set this to "rejected" simply to let you know I've looked at it--it will reset itself to pending when you update it. Please improve the description to comply with the site rules (primarily to describe the game more thoroughly).

 

[Septimus]

This isn't melee map and you need to organize and improve your description.

 

[magIc_seeKer]

sry, i just joined hive yesterday, didn't know on what category to put it give me some advices

 

[magIc_seeKer]

any comments?

 

[krisserz]

First of all don`t double posts. You can (must) use

button.

 

[magIc_seeKer]

First of all don`t double posts. You can (must) use

button.

ok sry ^.^

 

[krisserz]

Ok, so I played and here is my preview:
First of all I must say, that I`m not keen on melee maps, so my preview can be in some way unfair. Anyway here we go:
+/- Not so bad terrain. Needs some improvements but not many.
- Choose the paladin, learn defense aura and look at little icon on the down. What does it say? "Tooltip missing" Fix that.
- I couldn`t kill some bosses will great sources of army and alliance. You should balance it
- Paladin max lvl is 5
I can`t say anything more. I would better don`t vote ;P

 

[magIc_seeKer]

Ok, so I played and here is my preview:
First of all I must say, that I`m not keen on melee maps, so my preview can be in some way unfair. Anyway here we go:
+/- Not so bad terrain. Needs some improvements but not many.
- Choose the paladin, learn defense aura and look at little icon on the down. What does it say? "Tooltip missing" Fix that.
- I couldn`t kill some bosses will great sources of army and alliance. You should balance it
- Paladin max lvl is 5
I can`t say anything more. I would better don`t vote ;P

-ok, ty for reporting this bugs, and i don't think your coments are unfair, i am not good at melee map eather ^.^.

-i will try to balance the bosses abit, but they were made for heroes to raid them in groups of 4-6 (2 players) with a tank (with some items from the city shop) and 1-2 healers with potions of mana or things like that. i noticed the lvl 5 max on heroes too, at that time i tought it was only me but now i see that all who play have this. i will try to fix it.

 

[krisserz]

I did a pretty big raid. But still it was very hard and the costs were very big (we had to do something about 3 rides in a big hurry before the boss will recover health).

 

[magIc_seeKer]

ok i hurryed up with the new version cuz of that hero level bugg. dunno, i don't remember changing the hero max lvl to 5 maybe it was from the map, dunno. now it's fixed, the max lvl is 10, and the devotion aura is fixed also

-and dunno what to say krisserz, i played the map on single and raided all bosses but i could defeat them. make sure your tank (gods side - mountain king, devils side - crypt lord/death knight) have some items from town (like the +10 armor shield) and your healer (gods - paladin, keeper of the glove, devils - death knight, shadow priest) have a lot of mana potions in case they run out of mana. and i think it is better that the heroes have at least lvl 5+, otherwise dunno what will happen ^.^

 

[ipwnnn00bs4life]

The bosses are pretty hard you should allow non hero units to fight too. the boss on the top of the map was eassy because i just kited him close to the entrance and my troll witch doctor casted healing totem and i could have probelly brought him even further so my troll berserkers could attack but i was too lazy. Also i had like a huge armor increase to my tank (beastmaster) he had like 88% resistance and i had a healer (troll hero guy) with a bunch of mana crap and a dps with alot of weopons (naga sea witch).. And the boss casts down a giant meotor and almost kills me healer so i cast that morphing spell on the stronger looking boss and he just turns back to normal and wipes out my whole group in about 2 or 3 seconds... so yea its hard on singleplayer...

 

[magIc_seeKer]

-yeah i made those bosses hard, you just need a strategy, but i think i will reduce the damage of the spells (astromancer's spells) a bit in the upcomming map
-if you play in 2 players, with 5-6 heroes raiding them (2 healers - 1 tank) with some good items i think you can defeat them.
-at the astromancer, yeah his the harder boss i think, try to stay with the healer a little back, so he won't cast the meteor on you. if he casts on the tank just heal him, and that's it. at the astromancer you just need to resist a bit at the beggining cuz he will cast all his spells and then you will have like 20 seconds till the spells finishes cooldown.

HINT : Use Blood Mage's spell 2nd skill (the one that makes a unit enter a not-attackeble state, so that you can fight with 1 boss, while the other is in that state.)

=EDIT=
-and i specially made this bosses so that other units can't fight with them. if i let normal units attack them, where will all the fun be?
=EDIT 2=
any other comments, suggestions ?

 

[YeeShadow]

This map is weird... extremely, and a little annoying sometimes.
I won't review it since you're still working on it.

There are a lot of troubles, first the city, when using flying units to attack the opponents city, well... sometimes they try to fly over the city but that trigger that moves them instantly out of the city is a little annoying, but you get used to it, but when playing against the computer, the screen gets filled with annoying messages, I suggest that you set the messages to only appear to the matched player.

The bosses are... well... first, too easy, second, useless... you don't need to fight them.

The idea is quite original, but... I think is not working, you need to make a lot of changes.

Suggestions? Remove the city, separate the map into two halfs, add portals to cross to each half, make the bosses the guardians of those portals, that way you'll need to fight them. Create two more custom heros, that way each player will get one.

 

[magIc_seeKer]

The bosses are... well... first, too easy, second, useless... you don't need to fight them.

well i didn't make the bosses for players TO NEED to fight them to defeat them other team, that way i think it won't be a melee map anymore, i made them for players, if they have time in there game, to go and have fun fighting them and, if they can, defeat them and get good loot that will help them defeat the other team.
and about the "easy" part, others say the bosses are to strong, now i don't know what to think O_O

Remove the city, separate the map into two halfs, add portals to cross to each half, make the bosses the guardians of those portals, that way you'll need to fight them. Create two more custom heros, that way each player will get one.

i was thinking to move the city in another part of the map so that players don't need to evade the city everytime they try to attack the other team with there armies.
as for the split up the map in 2, and the bosses should be a primal kill i don't think it's a good idea cuz, as i said before it won't be a melee map anymore, the map will remain the same and the bosses a "optional quest" for those who wanna kill them.

 

[YeeShadow]

well i didn't make the bosses for players TO NEED to fight them to defeat them other team.

That's why I don't like to give suggestions XD, if your plan was to just put the bosses there, well, then its perfect.

Mmmm... There are some points that I don't understand, first, the two custom heroes, you can hire as many as you want, so I can have an entire legion of heros if I wanted.
It does not matter if you are from undead/orcs team, or human/nightelves team, you can hire both heroes.
The heroes are extremely unbalanced, they're quite powerful and with the correct items a single of those can eliminate the bosses and they can destroy the oponents alone when used correctly too, so, with those heroes there's no need for and army at all, specially with the Angel, because of his Mass Holy Light spell.
If the idea was to make them overpowered then balance them, the Angel, can heal himself, giving him a huge advantage over the Devil.
The Mass Death Coil only hits two enemies and has a very short range.
There are some missing tooltips.
I think that's all...

 

[magIc_seeKer]

-yeah, i found out about the bugg where you can hire as many gods/devils as you can after i realesed the version , but don't worry i will fix it in the next version, about the imbalanced thing, yeah they are, i'm trying to fix them
-about the bug where the god and the devil can be hired by both teams will be fixed in the next map, and yes the heroes where made overpowered cuz they are god/devil ofc rofl.

=EDIT=
-thx for reporting them to me ^.^ +rep

=EDIT2=
any more comments suggestions ?

 

[YeeShadow]

I just download the new version of this map and test it.

- You still can hire as many "God heroes" as you want.
- It does not matter your side, you can hire both heroes.
- The major problem this time is that the Diablo model that you use for the Devil doesn't work. I try to fix that but I couldn't, but I think I know the problem, and is that you remove the Redeyes texture that is required for that model to work.
- If a unit enters the city it teleports instantly to the center of the map, since there's only one way to enter the city (at least for the ground units) why not just teleport them to the entrance of the city, that makes more sense to me... for the flying units you could add some pathing blockers all around the city.

Now to the good changes.
- The city is... well... it does not looks like a city to me XD but is better placed.
- The terrain looks better with the new tileset.
- New shops

It just looks better XD but it isn't perfect, keep working on your map. And thanks for the rep ^^

 

[magIc_seeKer]

ok, ty for comments and bug reports, wierd thing is that wtf O_O i tought i fixed those 2 buggs with infinite heroes and the 2nd team hiring god and 1st team hiring devil o.o damn, gonna go look again , and the devil problem is something new o.o i will try to fix it.

-and about the city, well i can't make it look like a city :O it's more like a sanctuary or something like that (i'm just a begginer in terrain)

 

[krisserz]

I see that you still continue this^^
I`ll check it out if I find some time.

 

[magIc_seeKer]

i never quit ^.^, i know i'm still a newbie, but no one was borned PRO right?

 

[YeeShadow]

Can't see the Devil model...
And yes... is because you did not import the RedEye texture it needs, you should fix that as soon as possible.
Also there are some scrolls that are always out of stock in one of the Goblin Merchants.

Keep working on your map, is getting better.

 

[magIc_seeKer]

ok the devil model is now fixed, and the scrolls as well

and ty for your help

 

[YeeShadow]

I found some other things.

When you fight the, I can't remember the name right now, but the bosses revive after a while, but the problem is that when I was playing one revived in the center of the map.

In one boss battle... well see the picture and tell me if that is supposed to happend. And it keep saying "Destroy this..." can't remember XD.

 

[magIc_seeKer]

WoW that's bad :O looks like i'm not so good at scripting yet :O i'll try to fix it , i played a couple of times and dunno what happeneds, when i play it only shows 2-3 times and summons units, but it should summon only once (and display the message only once). hmm i better look at the tigger again. :O

=EDIT=
waiting for comments, suggestions and other things like that

 

[Bobanzanko]

I found Bugs i will report everything i find and need:

1.At Chaos City Red Boss and frost too low RAnge you should get more.
2.You need to balance City Guards {Gods city} and Chaos{DEvil city}.
3.You should change the name of Mage at Light City.
4.Paladin gets to lvl 5.
5. You need to give health to Heroes.
6. why you dont change models from workers.
7.Why you dont change the models of buildings.
8.when you build Altar of Kings or oder if your with God make to have in Altar to Create hero not to choose up.
9. GEt better dmg to Heroes.
10. MORE Doodads.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT

 

[Bobanzanko]

And better get new name there is 1 god and 1 devil not more gods and more devils so i tell you rename the map to Angels vs Demons

 

[magIc_seeKer]

uhm yea, ty for the comments.

1. the god and devil altars will remain there, i will NOT add the god or the devil to any other altars.
2. i will NOT change any of the melee units/heroes/buildings cuz the theme was not to change the melee units, it was to add new things to it (like bosses, god/devil, city)
3.

2.You need to balance City Guards {Gods city} and Chaos{DEvil city}.
3.You should change the name of Mage at Light City.

this 2 points i don't understand.
4.

4.Paladin gets to lvl 5

this is kinda wierd, only the paladin gets to level 5? , i tought i fixed this bug a long time ago. i'll look over it again.
5.i will NOT change the map name.

 

[Bobanzanko]

2.You need to balance City Guards {Gods city} and Chaos{DEvil city}.
3.You should change the name of Mage at Light City.



2.balance City Guards at LiGht City they are weak Devils Guards are better so that need balance
3.Change the name of The mage in Light CIty the Boss in Light CIty

 

[Bobanzanko]

And yea you should Change the magics from Heroes


GOOD LUCK WITH YOU PROJECT :

 

[Bobanzanko]

Here picture of low range

 

[magIc_seeKer]

ok 1st of all don't triple post. if you wanna add something to your last message use the button "EDIT"

And yea you should Change the magics from Heroes

of what heroes? the melee ones?

there is no Light City/Devil City/Gods City. The only city is the one on the bottom middle of the map. And by Light City you meen the astromancer and guardian bosses place there are no guards there. The only guards are at the Chaos Keeper boss.

And can you make forum thumbails of those images? i don't want to download them.

 

[Bobanzanko]

i cant now but Light city is middle down Guardians are weak there

 

[magIc_seeKer]

those are just put for props, there are not for combat. any unit of any team can enter the city, so the guards don't who to fight it. they are just placed there for improving the city view.

 

[supertoinkz]

decrease the GOD and DEVIL availability time
so annoying long

 

[magIc_seeKer]

ok, any other comment?

 

[Spet]

Downloading right now , looks very interesting

 

[Cweener]

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