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Frigate Bay

Submitted by Folderz
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Frigate Bay
4 expansion gold mines
2 goblin merchants
2 goblin laboratories
1 tavern

2 red camps
10 orange camps
6 green camps


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lvl 18 orange camp human frigate drops rune of rebirth giving player a 0 supply unit for expo harass or middle map creeping. Funny thing is that even bots can play with it!

30.10
-more space on roads
-lowered firgate camp level from lvl 22 down to 20
-removed sasquatch camp near the spawns
31.10
- fixed expo aggroing on scouting boat
- pushed shops back
- flattened base terrain
3.11
-added trees next to the shops
-added 1 critter, 6 in total
-lvl 9 green camp drops lvl 2 perma item
-other lvl 9 camp changed into lvl 8 camp with lvl 1 perma drop
-swapped gold mine creeps, easier gold mine is further away
-lvl 14 goldmine camp changed into lvl 15 with lvl 3 perma drop
-lvl 20 frigate camp changed into lvl 18
-frigate camp drops lvl 3 perma instead of lvl 4 charged
-fixed bay area pathing
-map saved on w3x.
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Frigate Bay (Map)

  1. Knecht

    Knecht

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    What an interesting map, you know how to keep your maps fresh. Even the terraining is nicely done.
    But once again I feel that creative idea behind this map falls flat by the "not as good" execution of the map. It feels crammed with creeps and there's not much room to breathe. The routes are mostly 1.5 yellow squares which isn't enough imo, there are some larger areas but they are all connected by these chokes. Imo it would be better if the tight route with the shops were a bit wider. The shops are also very close to the base. Four red camps are a bit on the higher side for 1v1 but nothing too drastic imo. I believe the 2 central red camps would be highly contested. I would maybe push some camps deeper into the trees but I fear that the camps are this way because they would aggro the other camps otherwise.
    Now for the main feature of the map - the frigates solve an issue some had with the RoR, it doesn't cost any supply. Since it's an unusual unit, it's gold drop is also different from the standard, it drops approximately the gold between a level 5-6 creep. Since the frigates are considered level 4 by the editor, I guess it's somewhat ok. The frigates aren't that great as a reward though, I'd call them glass cannons since they die so easily to pierce damage. Their main purpose is harass which is shown by the open water behind the expo GMs.
    Despite some of its flaws, it has been a fun map to play, as your maps tend to be :)
     
  2. Folderz

    Folderz

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    @Knecht thank you for look at the map! Very valid points. Here are stuff I've planned to change after reading them.
    1. Remove orange camp next to the shops and make the area wide space in front of the bases. This way main bases would have one wide and one narrow enterance.
    2. Frigate is quite easily destroyed so I might change red frigate camp into a high orange one. Im not so sure about this change at all.
    3. Red camp could be pushed more back if orange camp behind it is removed. Other camps could be pushed too to make room.

    Awesome that the map is fun to play :piru: Yarr I'd rather want pirate models for wc3 melee not bandits.

    edit: map updated
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2020
  3. Cigaro

    Cigaro

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    I think the terraining is pretty good, feels like a cozy place. Many nice doodad spots, and it's not over the top. Thumbs up for not being too lazy for islands!
    island.jpg

    The two color types of trees and ground are a solid combination, I only wish that there were a more visible logic behind it. Why is the center of the map rotten? Perhaps add broken archways and more columns to imply that it used to be a larger structure? Plus some graves, and stone/marble terrain here and there to demarcate it. The way it is right now, it feels unfinished to me.

    Not a fan of the massive amount of little rocks, but it's a matter of personal taste. You could also replace the lily pads that are frozen in place with those that move with the waves, as they look more natural.

    There could be a second tree near the tavern, to host a second wisp.

    What bothers me is the width of the paths. There are no choke points. The layout is kept extremely simple, even though the map is rather big and would warrant a 'touch of labyrinth'.
    paths.jpg

    The starting positions are a little too far away from each other. One of the gold mines, on the other hand, is too close to the base. That in itself would not be a problem if the creeps guarding it were strong, but they're very predictable trolls with a total lvl of 14. And they drop a lvl 3 item, which is juicy. What you could do though is swap the creep camps of the gold mines left and right to one's base. That way, the closer gold mine would have the lvl 16 creeps with the kobold.
    paths2.jpg
    green: suggested swaps
    white: creep camps for natural

    Why are there two almost identical lvl 9 camps near the base? That gives players less variety in their creeping. You could swap one of them with the lvl 5 camp in the center though (see screenshot above). Additionally, the camps only drop a lvl 1 permanent, which is disappointing. Should be a lvl 2 permanent imo.

    The goblin shop creep camps are an attractive target for AoW farming, but there are no trees. I can see that you've also come to this conclusion and placed one tree to address it, but sometimes more than one is needed and it also looks really weird. Better replace those rocks with trees.
    single-tree.jpg

    It's better to place caster creeps in the back, where they're safe.
    creep-swap.jpg
    (again: the design is very pretty in that spot)

    The respawning boat is a funky idea but players will probably find it too weird. Also, the map isn't really suited for it. Sure, you can attack the expo from behind, but that's kinda lame. Would be more reasonable to have a deep water trench that only a boat could pass and therefore serve as a scouting unit.

    In addition, the camp provides a lvl 4 charged item. Seems too much to me.

    The two camps dropping lvl 4 items are very close to each other. You can mop them up in one go pretty safely, especially with the lightning shield abuse. There's lots of good items to be had, generally. Most maps only feature two lvl 4/5 items per side, I think.

    Map only contains 5 critters, if I'm not mistaken? Could be a little more.
     
  4. Knecht

    Knecht

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    The very first version of this map were mostly chokes though. Opening the paths was imo a step forward but of course a healthy balance of chokes is desirable.

    The green camp-shop-GM creep route has quite a nice flow to level 3 rn, not sure if the suggestions by you would change it drastically. But ye, maybe some changes to creeps would be for the better.
     
  5. Folderz

    Folderz

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    @Cigaro Amazing and very welcomed feedback!
    Im going to do at least these changes:
    -add trees next to shop
    -add critters
    -add variety to green camps
    -swap expansion goldmine creeps
    -remove charged lvl 4 drop

    @Knecht I did really open up the map. Chokes are easy to add if needed tho. I let it stay this way for now with mostly 2 yellow grid "chokes".

    edit: map updated
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2020