Forgotten Enemies v4

[Moderator]

02:11, 3rd Feb 2009
Septimus: Review it for the second time and it still at the same condition.

Rejected permanently due to the condition.

 

[knight26]

wrong section dude

 

[AirHead]

Knight26, do you mean the category? I don't think the category is wrong, if you think this map is un-finished then you would be wrong, it is clearly finished.

Anyway, after extensive testing (1 game) I have decided!

[+]the concept is great.
[+]The terrain is very enjoyable and playable.
[+]The rain is very nice.
[-]The rain goes away too fast.
[-]The Naga are overpowered,
. [-]The Naga buildings life is too high.
. [-]The Naga units spawn too quickly.
. [-]The Royal Guards are too powerful.

If you fix the Naga strength then I'd give it 4 invincible Naga buildings out of 5 (4 out of 5).

 

[Lance DH]

[-]The rain goes away too fast
=> you mean, the rain should last longer?

[-]The Naga are overpowered,
=> thought so
=> Could't test it myself because I s*ck at melee maps

fixing

 

[AirHead]

[-]The rain goes away too fast

=> you mean, the rain should last longer?

That is exactly what I mean. although in game time it lasts a whole night, in real time it's maybe 1 minute.

 

[Lance DH]

Well yea, I have no idea how long a melee game actually takes to play so decided to use the game time instead
using real time would also make the rain more random and logic, will require some thinking for me tho

 

[AirHead]

Since I know you're working on it, here's your rating in advance.

 

[Lance DH]

fixes

Fixed the rain

I changed the naga, I hope they are easier now (don't want to make them too easy either)
the royal guard and the siren was changed to their create time: from 25 secs to 35 (guard) and 28 (siren)
lowered the damage of the mobs, got rid of their abillities, lowered some armor and lowered the hp of mobs and buildings

 

[APproject]

Terrain could be better. You fill up one spot with doodads, but you ferget to fill up other spot, I mean you worked on some spots, but there are places that has no doodads, not counting trees. Every unit is randomly set, one creep is looking straight to Gold Mine - other looks into oppositive side. All creeps drops no items.

Improve it or it wont get better rating than 1/5 from experienced maps makers as Septimus or bounty hunter2, their ratings decides will it get approved or not. For now, this map should be rejected, because it doesn't looks like decent melee map.

 

[Septimus]

1) Wrong category, should be altered melee instead of melee. Rui won't like it if he see it.
2) Description at hiveworkshop seems to be ok, but make it more tidy and neat to be view.
3) Useless trigger, why would you want to make a trigger that make the neutral hostile drop item when all could be done via unit property.
4) A altered melee with hardly any custom stuff on it.
5) Terrain are lacking as well.

1/5 and mini moderator vote was REJECTED

A good altered melee map would usually have more than 1 race. Infact, some of it could have even more than 8 race. Adding 1 custom races into your altered melee map especially Naga race would just make your map blend with other melee map, making it a carbon copy of it.

A custom race won't just contain a custom unit, but have custom ability, upgrade and many thing else.

APproject was telling the truth and to make it more clear and define for you. A map would struggle to even get approval although it earn an rating 3 from me considering the admin at this site have a extremely tough quality control.

 

[Lance DH]

1) Wrong category, should be altered melee instead of melee. Rui won't like it if he see it.
2) Description at hiveworkshop seems to be ok, but make it more tidy and neat to be view.
3) Useless trigger, why would you want to make a trigger that make the neutral hostile drop item when all could be done via unit property.
4) A altered melee with hardly any custom stuff on it.
5) Terrain are lacking as well.

1/5 and mini moderator vote was REJECTED

A good altered melee map would usually have more than 1 race. Infact, some of it could have even more than 8 race. Adding 1 custom races into your altered melee map especially Naga race would just make your map blend with other melee map, making it a carbon copy of it.

A custom race won't just contain a custom unit, but have custom ability, upgrade and many thing else.

APproject was telling the truth and to make it more clear and define for you. A map would struggle to even get approval although it earn an rating 3 from me considering the admin at this site have a extremely tough quality control.

1) Whats the diffrence ?
2) --
3) first time I made a malee map, thats how I did it before I figgured out how the item drop table worked (no guild on hiveworkshop =/). I deleted it the first edit but map editor crashed and I forgot to take it out again
4) Well, no idea what the diffrence is between a melee and an altered melee. wanted to just make a melee with a bit extra so it wouldn't be a plain melee
5) tips? wanted to work with shrubs but they are green and my base terrain is brown

The naga race inthe center is just that little extra I added to the map, they are there the serve as a small wall between both sides.
They arn't in there as a custom race

 

[Septimus]

Ok, I would just state 1 of the flaw in the forest terrain.

The lack of doodad/destructible usage. There is a lack of usage of it especially at forest terrain. Most of it I seen was partically nothing, but tree tree tree and tree. You should varied it by adding some grass, bush and etc etc.. a forest not only full of tree.

If you want to know futher error about it, post it at terrain board. Expert terrainer could give you more specific detail about it.

And melee category map usually does not contain custom material, all it does have was terrain edited, gold mine, creep, starting location. To know more and to define the term of map category, go to our tutorial section.

Try to view blizzard melee map or a few excellent melee map in our map section. As far as I have seen Revan(Rom) and Kalimachos make a rather good melee map.

 

[AirHead]

D: I can't believe how much I didn't see. Although now that I think back you are right. but about the naga being a small thing, I don't think it was meant to be a big part of the map, just like if you put a bandit camp in the middle but you wanted them to respawn. I didn't actually look at the map in WE so I didn't see the extra trigger (why? just why?) but the rain was not supposed to be a big edit either.

I think this was supposed to be a melee map but he wanted it to be not as plain. Although, try looking at some good playable terrains for ideas/help next time before just throwing trees in, you can find allot of these in the last terrain contest, it was for playable terrains and lots of good ones came out of it.

P.S. I suggest you don't post your first second and third maps, fourth is usually fine.

 

[Lance DH]

Made version 4 with more terrain edits.
Hope this is what you were looking for.

P.S. I suggest you don't post your first second and third maps, fourth is usually fine.

I made alot of maps before, tho I never finished them meaning I never payed mutch attention to map details. (which is why this map lacked alot of details)
This is the first map I actually ever finished and published.