[Trigger] Fast-Question.

[HamzahA]

I have been wondering how to check a passive ability casted without a buff.
like Critical Strike/Bash, how to detect them when the chance of the spell happens? or how to know if a unit has an Aura without buff?

 

[GhostWolf]

You would need to check if the unit has the specific buff in the boolean conditions.

• ((Triggering unit) has buff Acid Bomb) Equal to True

 

[HamzahA]

im takling about spells with no buffs

 

[GhostWolf]

If you would just look at aura spells before commenting , you would have noticed they actualy do have buffs.

Buff = the effect the player see, the mana aura for example has those blue circles.

 

[HamzahA]

man.. im talking about passive abilitys gained, how to select a big group of them, like if the spell like Thunder Clap it can be triggered - Event - Unit starts the effect of abilityy , but the passive abilitys like Unholy Aura and Critical Strike, how to know (what pereference) mark at them?

 

[HexenLord]

If you would just look at aura spells before commenting , you would have noticed they actualy do have buffs.

Buff = the effect the player see, the mana aura for example has those blue circles.

The whole point of this topic is that he wants to detect an ability that doesn't have a buff. He's not wanting to use them.

 

[.KC]

I can't think of any possible way to check for critical strike. But I know bash got a buff.

 

[CDRbaby]

hi

this is off the subject but how cum win i tell it to place stuff in randon spots it dus but in the same random spot evry time cuz i wunt a map that will chang evry time you play

 

[GhostWolf]

The whole point of this topic is that he wants to detect an ability that doesn't have a buff. He's not wanting to use them.

If the ability doesn't have any buff or effects, there is no way to detect it.

Its like detecting a invisible thing without seeing invisible things ......

He could just use buffs that don't show anything to the players.

And last note, CDRbaby open your own threads and talk in english (and not in some gibrish-english form) if you want people to understand you.

 

[Just_Spectating]

cdrbaby, you must uncheck fixedrandom seed, or check it or w.e also, random will always be the same in the testmap when you click the checkmark to test ur map.. it should always be random in multiplayer.


as for the question. you cannot check when a passive skill is triggered, unless you make the whole thing triggered.

 

[CDRbaby]

cool

thanks man

 

[darkwulfv]

CDRbaby, seriously, you randomly popped into this person's thread and asked a question in some random language. Don't do it again.


To answer the main question, you can't. Evasion, Critical strike, Bash... they can't be detected. Bash can be detected if, on every single attack made, you check about 1 second later and they have the Bash stun buff... But without some psychotic attack detection system or any of that, or triggering the entire effects yourself, it can't be detected. Sorry.

 

[GhostWolf]

I will say this again, YOU CAN CHECK BUFFS and yes, THERE ARE passive buffs (aura's for a one big fat example).

 

[darkwulfv]

Auras are DIFFERENT from Critical Strike, Evasion, Bash, etc.

Auras GIVE OFF buffs! CS, E, B, etc. do NOT give off buffs, with the exception of Bash when it does fire, but you cannot detect that it has been cast without checking every attack for the proceeding buff.

If someone would like to prove me wrong and show that passive skills like Critical Strike, Evasion, Drunken Brawler, etc. DO give off buffs that can be checked for, then by all means do so. I'll admit my mistake and rep you.

 

[GhostWolf]

This is just a lame example I just made.

Now admit you lost >.<

 

[Just_Spectating]

did you test it?

also, do it for evasion and bash as well.

 

[GhostWolf]

Yes I tested, else I wouldn't say you guys lost

And evade shouldn't be diffrent.
I wouldn't mention bash (damd I just did) because it already has a "blizzard's" buff, no need to edit it.

 

[darkwulfv]

Ghostwolf, your test is meh.

This system works on ONE unit and one unit alone. Try this again with 5 or 6 heroes all with critical strike and a bunch more units. You'll see that this will not work right. Even if you modified it to be MUI it would be atrociously inefficient, assuming it worked right at all.

I half-lose. You proved that Crit-Strike does give off a buff. However, you cannot detect the direct casting of Critical Strike without a bad method such as this. Your method could cause some issues with more than one hero on the whole map using critical strike at the same time.

Conclusion: Does critical strike give off a buff? Yes.
Can you detect the casting of critical strike? Sort of. Not well, but yes.

 

[GhostWolf]

First of all crit doesn't have a buff, I simply added one.

And can you tell mew hy do you think it won't be MUI ? this takes like .05 to be done.

 

[darkwulfv]

Because. You use a global variable, which is bad to begin with, but you also use a periodic timer event, which are taboo I guess. (I've discussed this find with other people).

I broke your system by simply adding 15 or so more murlocs and 5 more paladins. Once the paladins began crit-striking at the same time, the messages stopped showing up properly.

 

[GhostWolf]

Of course I never meant it to be exacly MUI, but its almost.
Units are not supposed to crit all the time.

I guess this can be MUI only with local variables which I know nothing about (I only know the name and that it does something like create a new trigger for each variable ?).

 

[darkwulfv]

Well, this system is rather lame since it's non-MUI and relies on buffs. Making a custom critical strike would be far better, due to the customization possibilities.

However, for the people who don't need such an elaborate system, this is an OK substitute.

 

[GhostWolf]

"Making a custom critical"... that means what ?
And as I already said, you can't check if a spell was activated without it having any buffs/effects.

 

[darkwulfv]

Triggering it. Entirely.

Uh, yes, you can. "Unit starts the effect of a spell". or "Unit begins casting an ability". If it's a passive spell, then obviously no you can't without a buff.