Fan of "healing" knives?!

[Swerd]

Ok well my friend asked me if i can ask this on here.How can he make a fan of knives but instead of dealing damage to enemy units it heals ally units? It will require a dummy unit im sure but what should the trigger look like and would the dummy unit have any spells?

 

[Maximilianx]

Well it's really easy.
Change it to target friendlies.. then hold shift and double click on the damage field, this allows you to input negative numbers.

so if you put -50 it will heal for 50.

 

[nerovesper]

I think this will still interfere with the defense.

 

[cookies4you]

get a dummy ability such as channel. change its values and blah blah blah. now trigger it. on the actions, there is an action called special effects. create one and create another action called destroy last created special effect. also make it pick every unit around your caster and set life of unit to life of picked unit + <Insert Value>

 

[Battle_Shipper]

Well it's really easy.
Change it to target friendlies.. then hold shift and double click on the damage field, this allows you to input negative numbers.

so if you put -50 it will heal for 50.

What he said. I made a test map and it works perfectly.

 

[Mechanical Man]

Would AI use this ability correctly then?

 

[Battle_Shipper]

Would AI use this ability correctly then?

Probably not, since this ability is based on Fan of Knives, the AI will only use it to damage enemies, not heal allies.

 

[Nailgun]

Of course you can always trigger the ai to do so, should be rather simple.

 

[nerovesper]

its not a good idea to use negatives on damaging spells. the healing process interferes with armor and defense type because this spell is a damaging type. i tried it just now.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Picks all units around caster and set their hp to +10. How hard can it be.

 

[Battle_Shipper]

its not a good idea to use negatives on damaging spells. the healing process interferes with armor and defense type because this spell is a damaging type. i tried it just now.

I didn't quite understand what you said, could you elaborate more please? What exactly are the consequences of using negative numbers on damaging spells?

 

[Nailgun]

how about this, DONT use fan of knives, use a dummy ability, stomp would be perfect. then add the fan of knives model to it, then use a trigger a trigger to pick up the units in the range you want, then heal them.

 

[nerovesper]

I didn't quite understand what you said, could you elaborate more please? What exactly are the consequences of using negative numbers on damaging spells?

It means when the targeted unit has a high defense or the unit has spell reduction armor like hero type armor the heal is reduced, like how damage weakens when attacking a unit with high armor.
Meaning the healing isn't exact unlike holy light which heals to its designated setting.

 

[Battle_Shipper]

@ Super-Sheep and Nailgun

The only inconvenience I see to your solutions is that there are no missiles that actually go to your allies. I hinkhe wanted to ask if you could change Fan of Knives to heal because he wanted projectiles.

It means when the targeted unit has a high defense or the unit has spell reduction armor like hero type armor the heal is reduced.

I see. I didn't know that. I'll have to try it out. Thanks for the info!

 

[Nailgun]

I suppose you could use dummy units for the projectiles, but that may be more trouble than its worth...

 

[Battle_Shipper]

I suppose you could use dummy units for the projectiles, but that may be more trouble than its worth...

Yes, using Fan of Knives for projectiles is much simpler than using triggers.

 

[Super-Sheep]

Even thought Fan of Knives has projectiles, they have nothing to do with the spell itself. The damage is done INSTANTLY when he starts the casting. All enemies in the aoe are damaged on the same time. Projectiles have nothing to do with the damage of the Fan of Knives...

 

[Battle_Shipper]

Even thought Fan of Knives has projectiles, they have nothing to do with the spell itself. The damage is done INSTANTLY when he starts the casting. All enemies in the aoe are damaged on the same time. Projectiles have nothing to do with the damage of the Fan of Knives...

No, the projectiles do very much have something to do with the spell. I tested it with 150 projectile speed and as you can see in the screenshot below, some archers are healed, some aren't, so don't tell me that the damage is done instantly. If you don't believe me, then you can try it yourself.

 

[Maximilianx]

I see the problem here, say the spell does 50 damage and the target has 50% damage reduction because of armor.. they would only take 25 damage.. so theoretically if the spell deals -50 then they would only be healed for 25.. makes sense, if you want a perfect spell you'll have to use some triggers.

 

[Majin]

What about using the "scroll of healing" item ability (well, something like that, i'm using a friend's PC atm and he hasn't got Warcraft) to make the AoE healing (though it hasn't got the same options of Fan of knives...For example you cannot set the maximum "healed" quantity...i hope it won't be a problem for you) and then use a dummy unit to cast a Fan of Knives that deals 0 damage but affects friendly unit (you could do the opposite thing, Fan of knives on the hero and healing on the dummy) but then AI wouldn't use it correctly

 

[Super-Sheep]

Its instant in Dota lol. It must be triggered then. :/

 

[Urwaldbewohner]

JUst creat dummy´s with an edited Sphere from the blood mage add change the missle to the fan of knivse missle. Also you give the dummy unit an healing ability. If you cast the spell now (change it to the Keeper Ulti with no channel time; ki should use it) let dummys and let them heal all target.

Urwaldbewohner

 

[Battle_Shipper]

Its instant in Dota lol. It must be triggered then. :/

What are you talking about? I didn't know Fan of Knives was used in DotA as a healing spell. Which spell is it?

 

[manstie]

I suppose you are talking about that skill that the tree has in Legion War TD where every 15 seconds it casts some light thingy and heals every friendly unit in range.

There's also that light thingy in Island Troll Tribes with a priest... but that is an AOE skill...

 

[Battle_Shipper]

I suppose you are talking about that skill that the tree has in Legion War TD where every 15 seconds it casts some light thingy and heals every friendly unit in range.

There's also that light thingy in Island Troll Tribes with a priest... but that is an AOE skill...

Reality check...

DotA =/= Legion War TD...

 

[manstie]

Don't you mean !=
Anyway it may as well be the same thing.
I don't play dota -.-

 

[Battle_Shipper]

Don't you mean !=
Anyway it may as well be the same thing.
I don't play dota -.-

I don't play Legion War TD... -_-

 

[manstie]

and I also guess you don't use JASS?
!= in JASS is not equal to.

 

[Battle_Shipper]

and I also guess you don't use JASS?
!= in JASS is not equal to.

No I'm not using JASS, I actually started learning it this summer.

What do you mean? With =/= I meant like not equal to in math...

 

[manstie]

I was just saying... because this is a mapping forum it would be appropriate to use JASS.

 

[Battle_Shipper]

Anyways...

This is getting off-topic, we should stop here...