DoT based on duration stayed in AoE spell help.

[Aoen]

Without using JASS is it possible to make a triggered spell (without using unit custom values) that damages units for X damage the first second, YX damage the next second 2YX damage the third second, 3YX damage the fourth second, etc. (i.e. 2 damage first second, 3 damage second second, 4 damage fourth second, etc.). I can't quite figure out how to create this spell XD.
Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help .

 

[demonsofdante]

easiest way i can think of is using an ability based off Inferno
Where you summon an invisible unit, it does not stun or damage when summoned or show any summoning animation. That unit then has immolation that hurts any enemy units near it.

However you cant really change the amount of dmg each second with that

 

[Aoen]

First of all, you COULD do it with immolation in the way that you're thinking of my ability, just have a timer that increments the level of the immolation each second, however if a unit stays in the area for 10 seconds, it will be taking much, much more damage than a unit that has just entered the area. In other words, you have to make each unit have some kind of special indicator that says how long it's been in the area.

 

[paskovich]

Without jass (or at least HandleVars) or custom values, it is impossible, just to anwser your question simply.

 

[Aoen]

Alright, thanks, I'm going to try to learn JASS very soon XD. I know Visual Basic, Turing, Delphi + Pascal, and QBasic so it shouldn't be too hard.

 

[lex90]

its possible with triggers ---- and heres my pointer ---------- buffs ----- with different lvls ------ increasing buff lvl each second to all units within the area and removing the buff one a unit leaves the area ------ the damage dealed should have a ?xlvl of bufff ---- but im not sure u can get that buff lvl --- who knows but i suggest u give it a try this sounds perfect

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

Without jass (or at least HandleVars) or custom values, it is impossible, just to anwser your question simply.

Or at least, it wouldn't be worth the time to try and make it. It would be possible, but it would not be fun. Question, though: why can't you use custom values?

 

[Zwan]

have you tried ordering a dummy unit to damage the units every second?

I think you could run a periodic event for the spell's duration to add units within the range of the spell to a group and have the dummy damage the units based on your table.

Like..

Time - Every 1.00 seconds of game time

Set time = (time + 1.00)
(pick every unit in [whatever]) and do
Unit - Cause Dummy to damage (Picked unit), dealing [time] damage of attack type [Spells] and damage type [Normal]

You just need another trigger detecting units in and out of range. You can do this with buffs easily enough.

 

[Aoen]

I must not have made myself clear, as two people have misunderstood the effects of my ability now.

Steps:
1: You Cast The Area Of Effect Spell
2: Loop the following statement (lets say 10 times)
Damage all units in the area based on how long THAT INDIVIDUAL UNIT has stayed in the area for (leaving the area will reset the damage amount)
Wait 1 second

I have an idea though, what I'm going to do is add dummy abilities to the units, with the dummy ability having levels equal to the duration of the damage over time spell (in seconds), every second each unit in the region has the level of it's dummy ability incremented by 1, as well, units in the whole map with the DUMMY ABILITY that are outside of the region have their dummy abilities removed. I'ma get to work on this right now.


P.S. While I'm posting, does anyone know why this trigger action doesn't move a preset region?:
Region - Center Bore Tunnel Wyrm <gen> on TempPoint

If this doesn't move a region, then what action does?

Or at least, it wouldn't be worth the time to try and make it. It would be possible, but it would not be fun. Question, though: why can't you use custom values?

P.S.S. I can't use custom values becomes I'm using them somewhere else XD.

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

What did you use the custom values for previously? You may be able to use them for both. That's one of the many advantages of custom values...

 

[Zwan]

CV's being used for Pathing perhaps?

on the spell, does the damage take place after the spell ends or.. Im still not sure I get what your doing after seeing your last post.

Maybe im just blind atm, but it sounds like you want to track the time they are in the AOE and then damage them based on that time.

At any rate, it sounds like you got an idea rolling, hope it works.

 

[paskovich]

Btw, i saw some tool like "HandleVars for GUI" on wc3campaings, you should check it out!

In my opinion, it would be easier to learn how to use HandleVars, then creating a hell complicated, leaky, freaky, GUI trigger...

 

[PurplePoot]

Aye, handle vars in GUI would be messier than life.

But besides, you dont even need handle vars for this, far as I know.

 

[lex90]

kid you honestly didnt get my point :
Do it like this :

1st trigger :
Just increment the level of a buff on a unit by 1 per second, and then deal damage like (some number) X lvl of the buff . Its easy .
2nd trigger :
Remove the buff once a unit leavas a range of (some number) around the caster



Easy as pie jsut ask questions ill awnser if i visit this

 

[HappyTauren]

Aye, handle vars in GUI would be messier than life.

agreed absolutely

i might think of making this spell.

 

[CoolSoFar]

Well guys, I don't really good at this kind of thing but when I try this at my own editor... Guess what?? You think too much! This pretty messy but really useful:

E-
A unit cast spell
C-
Casted spell equal to (whatever)
A-
Set CastingUnit=SiA
Set SpellOff=false
Set x=100*level of (whatever) from casting unit
Set y=2+level of (whatever) from casting unit
If Conditions equal to true then do action else do action
C-
SpeelOff equal to false
A-
Picked every units in range of 600
Deals x to picked units
A-
Do Nothing
Wait 1.00 seconds
If Conditions equal to true then do action else do action
C-
SpeelOff equal to false
A-
Picked every units in range of 600
Deals y*x to picked units
A-
Do Nothing
Wait 1.00 seconds
If Conditions equal to true then do action else do action
C-
SpeelOff equal to false
A-
Picked every units in range of 600
Deals 2*y*x to picked units
A-
Do Nothing
Wait 1.00 seconds
......

And do it until the last you want too, this cause damage to AoE 600, 100 damage first, 200 and 400 for next time... SpellOff are another trigger that followed this trigger:

E-
SiA issued order targeted unit
SiA issued order targeted point
C-
A-
Set SpellOff=True

This recommended to make the spell stoped when you moving

 

[Dr Super Good]

It is possiable in GUI but it would be non multinstantcastable.
You basicly have to make a loop that ever 0.10 seconds deals X damage + the loop damage. Insanly simple or else the orignal poster made no sense.

 

[CoolSoFar]

Why you do the loop each 0.1 seconds? Give me a reason

 

[Dr Super Good]

Well I would personaly use JASS and thus avoid that but since he clearly requested a way in GUI, simply looping with a wait action would do. Could be 0.1 or 1, depends on what he wants.

 

[Xzife_TD01]

P.S. While I'm posting, does anyone know why this trigger action doesn't move a preset region?:
Region - Center Bore Tunnel Wyrm <gen> on TempPoint

If this doesn't move a region, then what action does?

Your region must be set to a variable otherwise the action won't affect it.

 

[PurplePoot]

I'm pretty sure he wants this done for an area (not just one unit), so you'd need locals/gamecache/Custom Value (but that's a really bad idea)

As to whoever said increment the buff, you can't increment buffs. You also can't detect the level of a buff.

And CoolSoFar, DoNothing is sucky and pointless, and wastes processing speed. (which is a little ironic for me to say this as we're trying to work out a way to have someone do this in GUI)

Anyways, it's fairly trivial in Jass, but a small nightmare in GUI, as you need to work out a way to store each unit's data seperately (and no, you can't use Custom Values, unless the spell will only be cast once at a time and you don't need any other spell/etc to use them)

 

[CoolSoFar]

I know it purple, I never use Do Nothing trigger in my whole life because it's all the same like no trigger... I just write it to make it looks cool, like my name <-- That line is off-topic

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

As to whoever said increment the buff, you can't increment buffs. You also can't detect the level of a buff.

While correct on the first part, you could use separate buffs for each level in order to detect hte level of the buff. Probly still won't help, but just wanted to point that out...

Oh, and concerning custom values, there are other things you can use to store individual unit values. I used vertex coloring once, and sure, it changed color by 1 %, but it was still rather useful and allowed MUI for me (you can store 300 custom values by changing the vertex coloring by only 1% per color). Anyway, maybe consider using it...

 

[PurplePoot]

Using seperate buffs for each level is nasty as hell (and it's not really incrementing the level, either ><)

A better way is just to use a Data Storage system that grabs the level of the buff, or not even bother with buffs and use the units directly, the buff just being more of a 'notification' for the user.

Also --

Can you actually detect the vertex coloring of a unit? I don't think so, but you may be able to.

Anyways, a better idea is to just learn enough Jass to be able to dump all your data into structs or the Gamecache

Also, CoolSoFar, that's basically saying that you're giving people inefficient triggers 'cause they look cool?

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

Using seperate buffs for each level is nasty as hell (and it's not really incrementing the level, either ><)

I didn't say it was fun. I just said it was possible (which you denied previously). Speaking of which, what do you mean it's not incrementing the buff? If buff = blah (1), level = 1. That seems exactly like incrementing to me, but correct if I'm wrong.

Can you actually detect the vertex coloring of a unit?

Yes. If I recall correctly, it was a JASS function. I'll see if I can find it for you, though I can't make any promises...

 

[PurplePoot]

A) I meant physically incrementing the level (like Buff Level 2), not a completely new buff. (since incrementing the level would be a huge amount easier to handle, as you can use math instead of giant if-statements)

B) I can't find anything that may do that, cept for Lightning Effects (and yes, I do use JASS)

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

A) I meant physically incrementing the level (like Buff Level 2), not a completely new buff. (since incrementing the level would be a huge amount easier to handle, as you can use math instead of giant if-statements)

You could use string conversions with math, involving no if thens at all.

B) I can't find anything that may do that, cept for Lightning Effects (and yes, I do use JASS)

As I said before, I'll try to find it for you. I think my friend said he still has a copy of the map.

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Anyway, let's get back on topic. What about using abilities to store the time in the AoE? Like, unit has buff for AoE at 1 second, give ability that does nothing and damage. At 2 seconds, if unit has AoE buff, increase level of ability and damage, etc. Then, unit doesn't have buff, remove ability...

Obviously not a polished idea, but an idea nonetheless, and I think it could have some potential....

 

[Aoen]

Sigh I'm going to try to explain my spell )because some people still don't understand) with an example.
We have unit A, unit B, and region C

1 Second - Spell is cast in region C
2 seconds - Unit A enters region C
3 seconds - Unit A takes 2 damage
4 seconds - Unit A takes 3 damage, Unit B enters region
5 seconds - Unit A takes 4 damage, Unit B takes 2 damage
6 seconds - Unit A leaves region, Unit B takes 3 damage
7 seconds - Unit B leaves region

28 seconds - Unit A enters region
29 seconds - Unit A takes 2 damage
30 seconds - Spell Ends

Is this a better explanation?

 

[PurplePoot]

No, we understand, we're debating ways of storing things in GUI (cause we'd assume you want that)

If you want JASS, just say so, it's not hard

 

[Razorbrain]

P.S.S. I can't use custom values becomes I'm using them somewhere else XD.

well, you dont need too, its quite complicated, but im working on it

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

Is this a better explanation?

We understand what you mean to the utmost extent, but thank you.

@ Poot, whaddya think about using abilities to store the values?

 

[PurplePoot]

Then it's not multiinstanceable.

I have a really trivial solution, I'm just not gonna give it to him unless he doesn't care if it's JASS ('cause it is).

 

[Dr Super Good]

STAY ON TOPIC. Help "Aoen" since he started this thread and stop debating about GUI storage methods. If you want to talk about GUI storage methods, make a new thread especially for that.

JUST USE HANDLE VARS! They would easily do the trick allowing you to attach the number of times a unit has been damaged allowing you to culculate the next damage. Appon the unit leaving the region, flush the handle var and so reset the counter. That simple that im supprised no one has made it for you.

 

[Dalaran_Guard]

STAY ON TOPIC. Help "Aoen" since he started this thread and stop debating about GUI storage methods. If you want to talk about GUI storage methods, make a new thread especially for that.

JUST USE HANDLE VARS! They would easily do the trick allowing you to attach the number of times a unit has been damaged allowing you to culculate the next damage. Appon the unit leaving the region, flush the handle var and so reset the counter. That simple that im supprised no one has made it for you.

Meaning no offense, but Aeon wanted a GUI trigger. Handle vars enter into the realm of JASS, in which many have little experience. We were looking for an effective means by which to implement the idea of handle vars in GUI, and that, dear Doctor, is why we were debating storage methods.

 

[Razorbrain]

this might be leakable, but its just a try

Trigger 1

• The Skill Itself
• Events:
• Every 1.00 seconds of game time
• Conditions:
• Actions:
• Set UnitGroup1 = (Units within 500.00 of (Position of (HERO)) matching ((Matching Unit) not equal to (HERO)))
• For each (Integer A) from 0 to (Number of units in UnitGroup1), do (Actions)
• Loop - Actions
• Set Unit1 = (Random unit from UnitGroup1)
• Unit - Increase level of AddDamage for Unit1
• Unit Group - Remove Unit1 from UnitGroup1
• Unit Group - Add Unit1 to UnitGroup2
• For each (Integer B) from 0 to (Number of units in UnitGroup2), do (Actions)
• Loop - Actions
• Set Unit2 = (Random unit from UnitGroup2)
• Unit - Cause HERO to damage Unit2, dealing (Real((Level of AddDamage for Unit2))) damage of attack type YourChoice and damage type YourChoice
• Unit Group - Remove Unit2 from UnitGroup2
• Trigger - Run Reset Damage <gen> (ignoring conditions)

Trigger 2:

• Reset Damage
• Events:
• Conditions:
• Actions:
• Set UnitGroup3 = (Units in (Entire map) matching ((((Distance between (Position of (HERO)) and (Position of (Matching unit))) Greater than or equal to 501.00) and ((Level of AddDamage for (Matching unit) Greater than or equal to 2)) and ((Matching unit) not equal to HERO)
• For each (Integer A) from 0 to (Number of units in UnitGroup3), do (Actions)
• Loop - Actions
• Set Unit3 = (Random unit from UnitGroup3)
• Unit - Remove AddDamage from Unit3
• Unit - Add AddDamage from Unit3
• Unit Group - Remove Unit3 from UnitGroup3)

Well, this should cover it, its not Multi-Instanceable, and it is not Level-Bound, but to make it, that will require 1 set of both of these triggers for each Player, and triggers to set the HERO for each Player, and to make it Level-Bound, just remake the Damage [(Real((Level of AddDamage for Unit2)))] to (Real(((Level of Add Damage for Unit2) x (Level of SKILL for HERO))))

P.S.: there is a way to make it Rule-Bound(and Level-Bound), but that will involve 1 more trigger

 

[Aoen]

XD, if you check back I already said I figured out how to make the trigger XD.