Defenders of the Light 0.58 (SD Reforged Update)

[ThinhHo]

This was the start of the review i wanted to write for the map, but i stopped writing it after i got crashes with the panda cutscene in the dungeon mission, beeing unable to progress the campaign i just gave up on it, i hope it will help u a bit. (i played on the latest patch 1.31+)

Thanks a lot for writing a detailed review like this. I really appreciate it. As you may have known, the bugs you encountered were caused by the new patch. I'm sorry for the inconvenience by the way, even though I really want you to see what this whole campaign offer. You'll have to play the rebuilt version of the campaign in the future though. I'll start rebuild the campaign after completing Act II.

An awesome campaign! Two questions regarding to shimmering coast:
1. There is some trace of blood on an island in the center of the map, yet I wasn't able to find anything nearby even with seer staff. Is there a trigger or just some decorations?
2. Is there a way to destroy the trees? Brui's Flame Strike doesn't work the way Melee maps do. I was attacked by a hydra and troll behind the trees.

Sorry for the late response, I wonder if you have completed the campaign since you posted on the thread. Both of your questions can be answered by following the main quests.

I dont know if that is helpful
I m playing with the latest patch, should i switch to 1.29?

The campaign works better with older patches. Thanks for letting me know the bugs btw. I'll rebuild the campaign for the newer patches once Act II is complete.

 

[Fecergo]

Pay the man, he is a genius. Beautiful campaign! I must confess my heart skipped a beat at the moment of Buri's departure. Now, I have one big problem: after the duel with Chen, my game basically freezes, I have used the iseedeadpeople cheat, might this be causing the issue?

 

[ThinhHo]

Pay the man, he is a genius. Beautiful campaign! I must confess my heart skipped a beat at the moment of Buri's departure.

I'm happy to hear that you are touched by the story.

Now, I have one big problem: after the duel with Chen, my game basically freezes, I have used the iseedeadpeople cheat, might this be causing the issue?

Part of the cheat may have caused the issue. The biggest factor must be the game patch. The new patches are not compatible with the campaign. As for this crash that you're experiencing, UkyoKuonji figured out how to get pass it before. Maybe you can try what he did. I can't guarantee that it'd work though.

I stop playing warcraft for a few hours refresh my computer several times and play again..I think the game crashes because too many spell casted when fighting chen thats cause the game to lag then crash.. Fortunately I can quickly defeated chen and skip all the cinematic

 

[Shido]

Rofl, I tested your map and forgot that Instant Ramen Brand Easter egg.
Some people wondering what is a Hao Hao

 

[I love war III]

á đù, chú mày hay đấy. Phục

 

[I love war III]

Amazing stuff my man, i'm so proud of you (vietnamese buddy)

 

[ThinhHo]

Version 0.39 Update for Defenders of the Light

Hello everyone,

The campaign just got updated. There are not many changes in this update. However, for Act I, some changes were made to address some issues the campaign has.

1. Most people get stuck in Edenvale Dungeon due to crash and I still don't know why. My suspicion is that triggers which have timers or repeating timers cause those crashes. Therefore, I disabled those events after players reach certain points in the map. Hopefully, this will reduce the crash possibility for this map.
2. After the campaign was published for almost one year, I realized that the trigger used to activate the challenge map was wrongly configured, leaving many players unable to play the Challenge map at all. With this update, you should be able to play the challenge map after unlocking it in the campaign screen.

Here's the changelog for Version 0.39 if you are interested in reading it.

v0.39 December 23rd 2019

ACT I and General
General Changes/Fixes
- MapIntro Fixed some grammar mistakes
- Map3 Removed Lots of Tomes of Intelligence/Strength/Agility
- Map3 Solaire now drops any items he carries after completing the quest
- Map4 Add stash into Shimmer Coastal for purchase and use
- Map5 Removed some Tomes of Intelligence/Strength/Agility
- Map9 Make Ghostmage invulnerable
- Map11 Chen uses Breath of Fire when his hp is less than 40% instead of 30%
- Map11 Mini Bosses and Voidwalkers no longer respawn
- Map11 FlameStrike areas are off after unlocking the final doors
- Map14 Remove summons for Staff of Teleportation exploit
- Map15 Remove victory cinemtic if the quillboar defense game is replayed
- Map15 Kodo beast cost no gold
- MapC1 Button is now visible after activation

Unit Changes/Fixes
- Adias' Judgement Strike buff now has the right icon
- Chen Changed name of Berserk to Drunken Furry
- Chen Drunken Furry reduced base mana to 65-100 (from 85-130)
- Unit Fel Stalker removed Mana Burn ability and change attack type to Normal (from Chaos)
- Insurgent Changed model

Item Changes/Fixes
- Item Primal Essence can only be obtained twice in Act I and once in Act II now
- Item Vindicator Belt can only be obtained once in Act I now
- Item Cloak of Fire can only be obtained once in Act I now
- Item New Items Small/Medium/Large Health Elixir
- Item Scroll of the Beast now increases Attack Damage by 50% and lasts 30s, AOE Area is 400 (from 500)
- Item New Item Scroll of the Monster
- Item New Items Small/Medium/Large Mana Elixir
- Item Blood Ring has a new icon
- Item Piercing Armor fixed description
- Item Spear of Crystal Rain Increased Mana Cost to 110 (from 65)
- Item Murloc Staff now costs 85 mana (from 0) to cast


ACT II
General Changes/Fixes
- Map16 Fixed An Uninvited Guest quest with questreq and discover
- Map16 Fixed Demon run somewhere else in cinematic
- Map16 Change Items Sold from Reiner's Shop
- Map17 Add Stash as reward after completing Thrall's quests
- Map17 Reduce number of Stalkers in the initial packs
- Map17 Adjust allied heroes' stats, item and hp
- Map17 Remove rock chunks blocking way to Mold Valley
- Map17 Turn on Mold Valley transitioning
- Map17 Choose the right items for Camp Shop
- Map17 Reduced hit points and damage of Quest Rescue's unit
- Map17 Added Shaman, Footman, Knight and Priest into Barracks with better description
- Map19 Earth, Storm, Fire now disabled and enabled properly for quest
- Map19 Mammoth 2nd and 3rd fight has no more unrelated cinematic
- Map26 Remove Optional quest rescued unit going into Sira's session
- Map26 Designate custom respawn for supporting units in Adias' session
- Map28 Removed Tome of Intelligence and Tomes of Strength
- Map29 Fixed platform puzzle bug
- Map29 Fixed some pathing issues
- Map31 Replaced Light Strike effect with Mythic's one
- Map34 New Map Added
- Map40 Added Cloak of Blaze crafting quest
- Map40 Fix boss loses color after restart
- Map40 Make player treat creeps as neutral during cinematic

Unit Changes/Fixes
- Unit Giant Magnataur increased base health to 22000 (from 18000)
- Map28 Increased Magnataur Normal War Stomp to 650 (from 400)
- Map28 Increased Magnataur Hook War Stomp to 450 (from 150)
- Map28 Increased Reika's Surrounding Wave to 500/620/740 (from 500/580/660)

Item Changes/Fixes
- Item Cloak of Flames can only be obtained once in each shop in Act II, but can be dropped from enemies
- Item Changed Life Sucker's description
- Item New Item Magic Ivory
- Item New Item Life Sucker
- Item New Item Belt of Power
- Item New Item Blue Tearstone Ring
- Item New Item Kaleo's Magic Shield
- Item Enchanted War Axe changed name to Seimos' War Axe
- Item Medallion of Darkhaven decreased life bonus to 400 (from 500)
- Item Belt of Power Change stats 6% (from 5%) and 1000hp random dmg (from 450hp)
- Item Cloak of Flames can only be obtained once in each shop in Act II, but can be dropped from enemies

Just so you know. We haven't started the bug-fixing or rebuilding process for the campaign tailored to Warcraft 3: Reforged just yet. Like I said before, Act II must be published first before I can start doing so. Secondly, Warcraft 3 Reforged is quite unstable at the moment. Every new patch Blizzard pushed out in the past year broke something. It seems to be happening for Reforged as well. Even after release, I believe they'll have a lot of fixes to work on. I'll wait until the game is stable before I can start working on fixing the bugs for the newer versions of the campaign.

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We've put tremendous amount of work into Act II in the past couple months so there are more changes/updates for Act II than Act I. The changelog only reflects a portion of changes for Act II (document-able changes) but not all of them. Act II is not far away.

For everyone who has played Act I. Here's the important-and-maybe-not-important roster of characters that you may want to take a look at again. If you haven't played Act I, please don't spoil yourself by opening it. It's a sin to spoil yourself from a good story.

Character Spoilers

And lastly, enjoy the end of the year with your family and

-----------------!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!-----------------

 

[Royyan Nurbiksa]

Hello guys,
Such a great campaign.
I wanna ask. When i was in glowing cave, i found power rune (or anything i forgot it's name) near the big door after i open it after turn off the three levers.
Then, i read some comment in this forum and i got news that in these place i can summon wolf.
How can i summon? & what will i get in this cave?
Thankyou

 

[ThinhHo]

I wanna ask. When i was in glowing cave, i found power rune (or anything i forgot it's name) near the big door after i open it after turn off the three levers.
Then, i read some comment in this forum and i got news that in these place i can summon wolf.
How can i summon? & what will i get in this cave?

The summon wolf method is just a way to get pass the door without hitting the levers. The door is already open for you so you don't have to worry about it.
Are you talking about this Circle of Power here? If you step on it, it should take you somewhere.

Did it work for you?

 

[Alpha Beast]

Hello again, i noticed that you update the map so i have tried but still have the same problem as before.
In the dungeon after fight with arthas then i ended behind the locked gate again and must play through the dungeon again before i reach the right door of arthas' fight. After that i'm out from palace but i but not see the pandaren coming together an i tried to go out from palace but no tranfering and stuck there. My warcraft 3 is the old version of 1.24 patch. Maybe you have suggestion for me?

 

[Alpha Beast]

Here is the stuck take place

 

[Idannn07]

Hi there,

I just started it and I can't buy item from Reiner at the start, the item just appeared under the hero and sink in the ground after cliking on it :'( I'm on last patch

Sorry I left English class many years ago..

 

[ThinhHo]

Hello again, i noticed that you update the map so i have tried but still have the same problem as before.
In the dungeon after fight with arthas then i ended behind the locked gate again and must play through the dungeon again before i reach the right door of arthas' fight. After that i'm out from palace but i but not see the pandaren coming together an i tried to go out from palace but no tranfering and stuck there. My warcraft 3 is the old version of 1.24 patch. Maybe you have suggestion for me?

Hello, if I remember correctly, they made a lot of big changes from patch 1.24 to patch 1.26 especially some changes with the save folder. Those changes are essential for this campaign to save your progress for the maps you've been through. Without this system from version 1.26 and above, your game can't remember the maps you've been through which forces you to restart those maps. I think your version is really old that's why your game can't run the campaign properly.

I just started it and I can't buy item from Reiner at the start, the item just appeared under the hero and sink in the ground after cliking on it :'( I'm on last patch

That's strange. Nobody reported this bug before. Have you played more? Did you encounter any bugs after that?

 

[Idannn07]

You can see here the item being suck into the ground, just after buying it. I played like 45min after that, everything worked but I noticed that a lot of side quest npc dialogue are missing or dont start.
Edit: Just met the 2nd Reiner, I can buy both shield but the Dark wood totem went into the ground too.

 

[Royyan Nurbiksa]

Such a great campaign. Good job ThinhHo

 

[ThinhHo]

Version 0.41 Update for Defenders of the Light

Hello everyone,
This is just a minor update for the campaign. Not any bugs are fixed. The only changes I made are:

1. I increased the respawning time for enemies in most maps. They take longer to respawn now.

2. The intro map for Act II is available!! Only take a look at the map if you have completed Act I of the campaign before. I don't want you to spoil yourself yeh. Or you can just wait until Act II is published to play the whole thing.

Here's the changelog for Version 0.41 if you are interested in reading it.

v0.41 January 8th 2020

General Changes/Fixes
- Act II Intro Map is available
- Increased time before creeps respawn on most maps
- Implemented Novels
- Map25 Decreased Help Room Chance
- Map28 Edit Terenas Cinematic
- Map31 Increased Blink mana cost to 35 (from 25)
- Map31 Updated Credits

Unit Changes/Fixes
- Adias Reduced Avatar of Judgement base damage to 47/81/121 (from 78/135/202)
- Sira model no longer has long ears
- Map26 Create appropriate colors for Power Generators Green/Yellow

Item Changes/Fixes
- Item New Item Phoenix's Blue Feather
- Item New Item Sundering Glaive
- Item New Item Novel: Seimos
- Item New Item Sacred Rune Blade
- Item New Item Stout Shield
- Item Reduced Wraith Band, Warrior's Bracer, Null Talisman's bonus stats to 3 and 5 (from 3 and 7)
- Item Removed Health Booth from Zheidland Armory
- Item Replaced Crown of Kings from Moka Quest with Stout Shield

You can see here the item being suck into the ground, just after buying it. I played like 45min after that, everything worked but I noticed that a lot of side quest npc dialogue are missing or dont start.

This is an issue by the new patches. I got this issue came in with different forms either in items or abilities from the tester team as well. The new patches did something with the default order and number of abilities/units/buffs/items that it messes with the custom items I created in the campaign. After I have rebuilt the campaign, this issue will be fixed.

 

[Shido]

oops, i press the wrong button.

 

[Niko Dane]

Hi @ThinhHo
1) I´m enjoying this campaign a lot, but i´m stuck.!! Can´t seem to find the answers in here, so here goes.
I´m in lonely island, and i can´t seem to be able to get in the CENTER room, and i don´t get any "hints" in game. i´ve read all of the comments in here, and i´m wondering if i´m even supposed to be where i am with my two heroes??

2) I´m encountering this Fel Orc Warlock, but i can´t kill it, it just says a lot of gibberish.?

3) I´ve found a blue mushroom, but it doesn´t trigger anything. Maybe it isn´t supposed to, but it seems out of place

4) Lastly, there doesn´t seem to be any way to get out of this world (?), so therefor the "stuck" part..

 

[ThinhHo]

1) I´m enjoying this campaign a lot, but i´m stuck.!! Can´t seem to find the answers in here, so here goes.
I´m in lonely island, and i can´t seem to be able to get in the CENTER room, and i don´t get any "hints" in game. i´ve read all of the comments in here, and i´m wondering if i´m even supposed to be where i am with my two heroes??

You're not supposed to go this far with only two heroes like this. This map was designed for late game. You'll have to come back another time to do it. To get out of this map, you just need to buy a boat, or hop on your boat (if you still have it) to go back.

2) I´m encountering this Fel Orc Warlock, but i can´t kill it, it just says a lot of gibberish.?

Decoding him is not easy. It's a puzzle but it's not for everyone.

 

[Niko Dane]

You're not supposed to go this far with only two heroes like this. This map was designed for late game. You'll have to come back another time to do it. To get out of this map, you just need to buy a boat, or hop on your boat (if you still have it) to go back.


Decoding him is not easy. It's a puzzle but it's not for everyone.

Am i not "supposed" to, or not "able" to? I cleared the whole map (no cheats) with the two heroes. I was able to open the door to the center area without leaving any heros behind. From what i gather on here, maybe that shouldn't´t be possible? Maybe a glitch?

 

[ThinhHo]

Am i not "supposed" to, or not "able" to? I cleared the whole map (no cheats) with the two heroes. I was able to open the door to the center area without leaving any heros behind. From what i gather on here, maybe that shouldn't´t be possible? Maybe a glitch?

You should not be able to and It shouldn’t have been possible. Must be a glitch.

 

[Eldrazor]

I really like this campaign! It feels different from most campaigns I've played. I really like that I have to think about what to spend gold on & which items to put on my heroes. The difficulty in the optional areas feels nice and challenging.

I like the variety in the story.

I like the variety in the gameplay with minigames and puzzles and cool boss fights. I'm regularly pleasantly surprised.

Thank you so much for making this campaign!


I found 1 bug in the Lonely Island optional map minigame. When I make it to the end of the timer, it does not spawn any reward, but if I make it to within 1 minute of the timer, it does spawn a reward.
I found this bug on 1.26

 

[TheFireMage]

Campaign that is similar to The Founding of Durotar. Nice.

 

[Arious]

I played all of the campaign. Its fun.
The story has issues like a deus ex machina and events that are not properly explained such as the dungeon but its still better than the story of most custom campaigns thus its excellent lorewise.
5 out of 5.

 

[Phodom kakesa]

At the memory test in edenvale dungeon the circles of power don't light up. Is there any way i can fix this or is there a way to skip and go further?

 

[Ganja14]

Where to find the DARK WOOD TOTEM. HELP PLS

 

[ThinhHo]

Where to find the DARK WOOD TOTEM. HELP PLS

It's in Shimmer Wood if you haven't been to Edenvale, or else you can find it in The Barrows.

 

[cofd]

Hi, when I buy a Dark Wood Totem in The Barrows, it does not appear in my inventory. Help, please.

 

[Lone_Wolf_2021]

I really wanted a campaign like the foundation of durotor too. thank you for making this campaign. although I noticed a bug in the third map. there is a place for hiring mercenaries on the right side of the map, south of the undead area. if you hire units, they will spawn in some trees and can't get out.

Edit= south of the undead area, not north.

 

[Priyam Mitra]

@ThinhHo can you please add a list of all the quests available at every map? Reason i am asking is because it is difficult to track how many totals quests are in a map when there's no undiscovered quest slots for each quest. Most of the quests i did was coz i was lucky to have been at the right place at the right time. I am not even sure how many quests i might have missed because of this. Just a simple quest text explaining why you need to do the quest and how/if it adds up to the region's story should be nice. For things such as easter eggs, etc which cannot be put into a quest maybe make an achievement table which people can look up with a simple command?

 

[ThinhHo]

Hi @Priyam Mitra, in this campaign, you are not meant to discovered all of the quests. I know that in many Warcraft 3 campaigns, quests are made clear so that people can complete them all and many people are used to playing Warcraft 3 like that. However, I created this campaign with the mindset and the philosophies of games like Dark Souls in mind. You are not meant to discovered everything and things that are found are for the ones who actually look. There will be certain things you'll definitely miss. Sometimes, doing certain things open the possibilities for certain quests but close the doors for others. I know listing all the quests would be convenient for players. However, that would go against the philosophy of this campaign. Furthermore, my editor is not working. I can't open the campaign to edit or to see what contents I put in it, which I don't remember all of them.

With that being said, just enjoy the campaign with all you have. I put 3 years with my heart and soul making this campaign, I hope you enjoy the story and the gameplay it has to offer. If you can discuss the campaign in details or if you have questions, you can always message me personally.

 

[Lone_Wolf_2021]

@ThinhHo can you please add a list of all the quests available at every map? Reason i am asking is because it is difficult to track how many totals quests are in a map when there's no undiscovered quest slots for each quest. Most of the quests i did was coz i was lucky to have been at the right place at the right time. I am not even sure how many quests i might have missed because of this. Just a simple quest text explaining why you need to do the quest and how/if it adds up to the region's story should be nice. For things such as easter eggs, etc which cannot be put into a quest maybe make an achievement table which people can look up with a simple command?

If you are a little familiar with triggers, you can go and look at them in the trigger editor. I think there was a list of all of them there. Don't modify anything tho. It might destroy the whole campaign.

 

[Priyam Mitra]

@ThinhHo can you give some hints on how to decode the puzzle of the fel orc warlock speaking ancient orcish in lonely island? i am not even sure where to start(if i need to unscramble the words or if they are supposed to mean anything in english after u unscramble them or if those words are not supposed to mean anything at all and i need some sort of item to translate the orcish? its too confusing)

 

[Championfighter25]

can you give some hints on how to decode the puzzle of the fel orc warlock speaking ancient orcish in lonely island? i am not even sure where to start(if i need to unscramble the words or if they are supposed to mean anything in english after u unscramble them or if those words are not supposed to mean anything at all and i need some sort of item to translate the orcish? its too confusing)

Spoiler: Solution

Write down the warlock's phrases and put them through an affine cipher decoder. ( You may need to make some adjustments to the decoding to get the correct text. I haven't played in a while and don't remember what they exactly were.)
When the encoded text appears on screen, write the decoded counterpart.

 

[Axmand]

Hello people, i recently downloaded the campaing and gotta say its very good but i encounter a problem in the Lonely Island area, i see other got problems there yet the problem seems to be different for everyone so ill tell mine...

I found in the island a series of gates that cannot be destroyed, "they tell" you that you have to tell the password but i dont know where to find it or how to "say it", also found a "blue mushroom" passing an "unkillable" warlock that damage you that again dont know how to deal with him... so please help me to resolve the clues...

BTW only after i get tired of exploring the only cheat code that im using right now its the invicibility/oneshot cheat code, thats all...

 

[ThinhHo]

Hi Axmand, the pieces of passwords for the gates are dropped by the enemies in front of them. For each password, you just need to piece them together in a certain order. The Warlock is another puzzle. It is a code-related puzzle.

 

[Axmand]

Hi Axmand, the pieces of passwords for the gates are dropped by the enemies in front of them. For each password, you just need to piece them together in a certain order. The Warlock is another puzzle. It is a code-related puzzle.

Hello and thanks for the reply, sorry if im being dumb but i dont get what you say about the password, you say that "dropped by the enemies in front of them", that's mean i have pull and "take" them to the gates to release the password? also, after doing that how i "put" the password?...

 

[ThinhHo]

Hello and thanks for the reply, sorry if im being dumb but i dont get what you say about the password, you say that "dropped by the enemies in front of them", that's mean i have pull and "take" them to the gates to release the password? also, after doing that how i "put" the password?...

Texts sometimes appear on the heads of dying enemies when they die. This means you meed to farm for bit before you can get all the pieces. Once you think you’ve got all the pieces, type them (in the right order) in the message box (after hitting enter) in front of the door, after they ask you what the password is.

 

[Shido]

Should have added an easter egg of Shido "sea-sicking"

Spoiler

I still got seasick because of this map.

 

[Restia]

I can't find the spirit in edenvale city

 

[Restia]

yep, someone gave the solution earlier and thanks to your review I know the purpose of the maiden of pain.
I'm drawing near the end of the campaign and I don't want to miss anything, also with the amount of hidden optional quests, this campaign really needs a walkthrough.

The purpose of maiden of pain? What is it? I don't kill her because she is not attacking me

 

[JackBlaze]

Not sure if this has been answered before, but do you actually fight some mini boss in that Abyss area in the Dark Wood Region or was it just there for that bit of exposition from Adias on the Abyss?

 

[ThinhHo]

I can't find the spirit in edenvale city

I consider this secret the biggest and hardest secret to find in this entire campaign. The campaign has been out for a while so I guess giving out the answer wouldn't hurt. The spirit only appear during a certain period of time of a day. It will be somewhere outside and near the middle entrance of the city. Also it only appears when you have 3 heroes with you.

The purpose of maiden of pain? What is it? I don't kill her because she is not attacking me

Just kill her.

Not sure if this has been answered before, but do you actually fight some mini boss in that Abyss area in the Dark Wood Region or was it just there for that bit of exposition from Adias on the Abyss?

No, it's not a mini boss. It's way bigger and more important than that. I hope you can make it through the end of this map, hehe. Heroes level 20+ recommended.

 

[JackBlaze]

No, it's not a mini boss. It's way bigger and more important than that. I hope you can make it through the end of this map, hehe. Heroes level 20+ recommended.

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the lava giant (What a fight tho). I was talking about that little strip of area in the region with Assan and The Living Tree. There's a little area of the Abyss in the bottom-left part, I expected something to happen for 2-3 minutes but moved on after nothing did.

That aside, in the region before Edenvale city (Where we killed the Corruptor and the later tragedy), I managed to somehow (No, seriously, how did that happen? I just went there a long while after I tried the first time with my three heroes being lv 23 and it just opened, for some reason) get to that little area that had a portal to the Abyss. Is there any kind of reward if kill a certain amount of creeps? Or is that region just a literal dead end? With you killing as much as you can before you're heroes die?

EDIT:
Also, any chance there's an achievement for beating the Horde in the mission the Edenvale City spirit initiates? I just did and man, that was tough shit to pull off

 

[ThinhHo]

I was talking about that little strip of area in the region with Assan and The Living Tree. There's a little area of the Abyss in the bottom-left part, I expected something to happen for 2-3 minutes but moved on after nothing happened.

Oh there's actually nothing in that little area. It just shows what the abyss looks like, a glimpse into the abyss.

get to that little area that had a portal to the Abyss. Is there any kind of reward if kill a certain amount of creeps? Or is that region just a literal dead end? With you killing as much as you can before you're heroes die?

And here is the Abyss itself. Yes this map is just for farming money and experience. Also to see how many enemies you can kill before your heroes die.

Also, any chance there's an achievement for beating the Horde in the mission the Edenvale spirit initiates? I just did and man, that was tough shit to pull off

I should have put an achievement there right? It was definitely a challenge. But you made that achievement for yourself. I also did that challenge myself and lord it was fun to destroy them all. That section is basically just a huge easter egg. It also helps you obtain some unique items you can't find anywhere else in the campaign.
Man, reading your comment really makes me want to play the campaign again.

 

[JackBlaze]

And here is the Abyss itself. Yes this map is just for farming money and experience. Also to see how many enemies you can kill before your heroes die.

See, that's the thing and why I asked that question in the first place, maybe it's some kind of bug I stumbled on but when all of my heroes died there they didn't revive, no revive timer, nada. I just assumed that it was following a narrative angle of "Once in the Abyss, never out of the Abyss. Thus you're very dead or will be very soon". In spite of the revival monolith being there and when I was exploring the area (First manually be walking and then using the fog of war removal cheat) I saw no exit.

I should have put an achievement there right? It was definitely a challenge. But you made that achievement for yourself. I also did that challenge myself and lord it was fun to destroy them all. That section is basically just a huge easter egg. It also helps you obtain some unique items you can't find anywhere else in the campaign.
Man, reading your comment really makes me want to play the campaign again.

Hmm, fair enough I guess, beating it myself was plenty of an achievement already but the usual bit of ego boost from it being an actual in-game achievement would have been nice . Even if I probably could have been a decent bit more efficient at beating the Horde there. Agreed, it was pretty fun to be on a different side in this battle for a change (Especially since I've always been more of an Alliance fan. My sincere apologies, Rexxar, my man. You, Cairne and Rokhan were supreme troopers and lads).

Yeah, that easter egg definitely firmly sold me to this campaign, despite some of my grievances about it so far (Mainly the way the heroes in this campaign were nerfed/weakened stats-wise along with armor compared to the regular WCIII heroes and armor. The item tradeoff was something I would have been entirely fine with if it wasn't for the first two points. That said, I could have done without the RNG/Gambling parts in Lonely Island. The words and later the Statue Feeding part. I also feel making the gates stay open permanently instead of having 2 out of 3 heroes having to be left there doing nothing would have been the better idea.)

Moving on, I'm going to assume I can only get those unique items during the Theramore Battle itself? Since they weren't there when I checked after the fact. And yeah, the campaign is quite good and lends itself to a decent deal to replayability.

EDIT:

Spoiler: After finishing campaign

For some reason, in Stormhaul after the cinematic where Muradin and Drek'thar arrived I stopped getting gold for killing units. While I did get those golden numbers after killing something, It didn't actually get added to my total gold in the upper right corner. Picking up coins, however, does add to my total gold supply.

Hmm, I have to say, while I've had some problems with the story (Mainly the whole Edenvale Dunngeon and Throne Room parts along with Adias himself) what happened in the cinematic felt way too "convenient"/deus ex machina to me.

Maybe it was cuz my heroes were lv 31 (And that my build/MO in terms of items were mana regen, damage and health) at that point but first of all, I'm calling BS on the Infernals and Titans being as much of a problem as shown in the cinematic. Before Arthas arrived I killed the Infernals literally 10-15 seconds after they appeared and then sent the wolves to deal with 1 of the 2 wards/staves (So I wouldn't separate the 3 heroes and sent the 3 to off the other ward) and the Titans were easy enough to take out even when they were grouped in two...without the army even factoring in the equation (With them, it was even easier and quicker).

And second, Arthas dying here in the manner he did felt way, way too forced. Ignoring the convenient way 2 of the Titans just so happened to spawn next to him...he has Divine Shield...Divine Bloody Shield man. All he had to do was get that up in the few moments he had before the Titans hit him and he wouldn't have died (Seriously, I literally saved him that way myself a few times during the caravan mission when he was on like 200-300 hp or lower). This makes it feel like he intentionally allowed himself to be killed, which clashes horribly with the calculating, if somewhat, arrogant character you'd built up up till that point, prophesy or no prophesy (Hell, Lother in-game even says that Arthas ain't to listen all that much to that kind of shit anyways).

Lothar appearing in the last moment the way he did wouldn't have felt so much like an asspull/deus ex machina if the situation itself had been different.

Maybe, and this is just a suggestion - you can flat-out ignore this part if you want, instead of having Arthas die in such a forced way you can make the situation something like this:

Arthas and Musko arrive to assist the 3 heroes (Who'd been doing well so far but have started feeling the begging toll of the battle) with the Edenvale army after an indeterminate amount of fighting later - at least half (Or even far less) of the army is dead and Adias, his companions and some of the army remnants are fighting several Infernals and Titans while Arthas, Musko and the rest of the remnants are fighting 1-3 Titans and several infernals nearby and within sight. What happens here is that Musko could be the one to die instead. Either by managing to take a deathblow in Arthas' place (An old classic) or plain old just being the first of the heroes to go down, just that he was unfortunate to actually be dead. This could still lead to either the majority of the Talia flashback or another flashback with a similar impact between Adias and Musko instead. To be entirely honest, I feel that Musko being the one who dies would be the option that might breed more character conflict (In this case, between Arthas and Adias) and would lead to Adias still sounding so (Or even more) revenge driven make a bit more sense.

Following all of that, then you can have Lothar appearing in the exact manner he did, along with some Horde and Edenvale last-minute reinforcements. Furthermore, if you want you can have Lothar be the casualty by making it so that he takes out a good deal of the current enemy at his arrival and then engaging the Guardian by himself and taking the thing down with him. That, I think, would be a more lighthearted and fortunate outcome compared to either Arthas or Musko dying.

Or, you could still just have Arthas be the casualty and leave the rest of the ending cinematic proceed as in the campaign, this (I feel) would just be a better and more in line with his character way to perish.

Alright, leaving aside my above grievances, I enjoyed the gameplay, lore, storytelling and overall feel of the campaign greatly my friend. It can be easily felt that you've put a large amount of work, effort and (most importantly) love into this campaign and anyone saying otherwise would be very wrong. I'll be eagerly awaiting the full release of Act II .

Spoiler: Act II Cinematic

Man, I was pretty convinced that Insurgent would end up being Talia (Now that'd be a painful twist for Adias). But after watching the Act II Cinematic it's pretty obvious that Ling is Insurgent. I'm curious if she'll be entirely on the side of the Undead/Legion or if she'll try to help Adias as much as she can. What we've seen of her indicates that the latter has some decent bit of possibility

 

[art has 123]

hello any news about act 2, the wait is killing us.

 

[ThinhHo]

I'm going to assume I can only get those unique items during the Theramore Battle itself? Since they weren't there when I checked after the fact.

Every time you kill an enemy hero, a unique item will appear in one of the shop in the city. That's how you can obtain them.

Maybe it was cuz my heroes were lv 31 (And that my build/MO in terms of items were mana regen, damage and health) at that point but first of all, I'm calling BS on the Infernals and Titans being as much of a problem as shown in the cinematic.

You are super over-leveled buddy LOL. The minimum level for the final map is 18 and I expected the maximum level is 24. The level restriction was put in place so that players don't overlevel themselves. To reach level 31, you must have played this campaign A LOT. I felt like you exhausted all of the little things this campaign has to offer. That was an insane dedication I never expected to see. Many props to you my friend. If you ever get to play the campaign again, try the final map with heroes level 18-20. You will feel the challenge, even with the map prior to the final one.

As for the suggestion of story change, Act II has already been made, leaving the suggested changes inapplicable. Though I appreciate that you care enough for the story to give detailed suggestions like that.

hello any news about act 2, the wait is killing us.

The wait is killing me as well.
Act II is basically completed. The finalization step is the final step that needs to be done. However, the older versions of the editor have stopped working on my computer for some reasons. Therefore, I have been unable to finalize the campaign and publish it here.
The new editor works but currently the game doesn't support campaign editing. I'm waiting for an update from Blizzard so that I can start working on the campaign again.

The sad thing is that we don't know when that update would ever come. Blizzard has been going downhill in recent years and Warcraft 3 Reforged has received little to no support from the company.
So I'm waiting, just like you.

I hope, in the near future, the update will come and you all can play the amazing, insane and unique things that are waiting for you Act II.
Defenders of the Light Act II will give you some of the fights you'll never forget.

 

[JackBlaze]

Every time you kill an enemy hero, a unique item will appear in one of the shop in the city. That's how you can obtain them.

I know that bit. It's just, after I completed the Theramore battle, I went to all three marketplaces to check if the items were still there (I wasn't gonna buy any of them since my build was pretty much set but I was curious nonetheless) and they weren't. I wasn't sure if that was intentional or a bug, thus why I asked.

You are super over-leveled buddy LOL. The minimum level for the final map is 18 and I expected the maximum level is 24. The level restriction was put in place so that players don't overlevel themselves. To reach level 31, you must have played this campaign A LOT. I felt like you exhausted all of the little things this campaign has to offer. That was an insane dedication I never expected to see. Many props to you my friend. If you ever get to play the campaign again, try the final map with heroes level 18-20. You will feel the challenge, even with the map prior to the final one.

Well, bottom line, I'm the kind of Warcraft player that tries to explore all of the campaign maps and quests I encounter. Plus, one of the things I really liked and enjoyed about the Durotar campaign was how much more there was to explore outside the main storyline and how rewarding it was (Granted, the last bit is kinda diminished with the inconsistent quest rewards of this campaign, but I suppose we can't have everything) and since this campaign is inspired by it I did the same thing.

Granted, that actually properly happened after I finished the Dungeon and Arthas showdown parts and then shortly after getting the third hero. I think the biggest reasons why I was so overleved was because I decided to do the Theramore battle and win it and that later when I got to the final map I decided to destroy every single bit of the of the Undead base (Believe me, overleveled as I was, pulling both the former and the latter off wasn't as easy I would've liked, especially when I stopped getting gold from killing the enemy units after Drek'thar and Muradin arrived in the final map. Then again, I'd have probably been even more overleved if my patience hadn't run out a bit past the halfway point and I decided to use the gold resource cheat to get the rest of the unit upgrades which sped things up a good deal). Otherwise, I'd have probably been somewhere around level 24-26 at most (around 28 if I still decided to raze the Undead base). I think the only things I didn't complete were the Edenvale city subquests, the Statue Feeding subquest and not managing to figure out where the Mask of Silence was located. I really hope I'll be able to port over my current heroes in Act II, I think I might even cry a bit if that doesn't end up being the case .

As for the suggestion of story change, Act II has already been made, leaving the suggested changes inapplicable. Though I appreciate that you care enough for the story to give detailed suggestions like that.

Aw man, guess I should've just carried on playing the rest of the campaign when I first played it around....an year ago? I think? Might have managed to change your mind during that period. Oh well, nothing more I can really do there.

That said, I'm going to firmly hold my stance that Arthas shouldn't have died so easily because he has divine shield. That thing should only take a second or two at most to activate which I'm certain he had. Maybe you can just change the skill into a different one? Maybe a "Holy Slam" (AKA, Muradin's W skill) or some such cc skill? Or maybe a different support skill?

The wait is killing me as well.
Act II is basically completed. The finalization step is the final step that needs to be done. However, the older versions of the editor have stopped working on my computer for some reasons. Therefore, I have been unable to finalize the campaign and publish it here.
The new editor works but currently the game doesn't support campaign editing. I'm waiting for an update from Blizzard so that I can start working on the campaign again.

The sad thing is that we don't know when that update would ever come. Blizzard has been going downhill in recent years and Warcraft 3 Reforged has received little to no support from the company.
So I'm waiting, just like you.

I hope, in the near future, the update will come and you all can play the amazing, insane and unique things that are waiting for you Act II.
Defenders of the Light Act II will give you some of the fights you'll never forget.

Well, there's this map maker called SharDundred who's currently making his "The True Story of Arkain" campaign (That's an awsome campaign btw) combining his previous campaigns' storylines into a single "main" storyline/timeline. Maybe you can ask him either how he still has his editor working or if he can send you a copy of it?

 

[Ahman]

This is a finished project, right?