CHAOS V0.5.2Beta

[wh1pl4sh]

wow i really missed most of the stuff while i was gone but ja. wd on new version buddy. even my cousin likes it...anyhow, u keep spelling wh1pl4sh wrong so im gonna teach you how: wh1pl4sh
its spelled wrong on the Thanx to in the map startup. also it's not with a capital letter. gRUBs is spelled gRUBs and Anator changed his nick to _Vandeta_. just a couple of reminders an stuff, dont get upset no offence intended. just that we like our names spelled right.
the "tutorial" is cool, i really liked it, but make it slower cuz some ppl read SLOW...
anyhow just watch it yourself and see how you can improve on it. it's still kinda confusing but getting better.

btw we host it alot, but i forget to save replays. have about 20 on my flash, wil give u next week or something. please note they are OLD replays but maybe they will help

will post on the potions later

 

[KYTON]

Random idea is great! But I decided to instead cause it to several aura's where each new aura is unlocked by a research. Altough the aura's really suck, they tend to add up eventually. I'll still have to see what the actual effect on gameply is. The aura's so far is:

+2 life regen
Level 1: +1 armor
Level 2: +5% dmg
Level 3: +3% atk & ms
Level 4: -1 armor
Level 5: -5% dmg

Level 4 & 5 still undecided and chances are I'll change it since they are "supportive spellcasters" but I thought it would be good if the research levels "cancel" the reaserches of your enemies to minimalize the effect on gameply.

Please comment on this auras idea.

@ Zinive: Awesome item ideas. I was looking for some emerald idea's and for some reason never though that I could use "nature" like in the emerald tree. Ancient root is brilliant! I think I'm rather going to make it that it casts ensnare with a changed bug so that the target is only immobile instead of stunned (entangling roots disable units entirely)

As for your ability ideas: Liquad body is a great idea as well. I should cause it to stack with the evasion chance of the water elemental

Coin press is quite interesting I must say...

I could make it that you gain an intrest rate on your gold like:
1%
2%
3%
4%
5%
every 5 seconds all your gold is increased by that percentage


Wooden Maul is also a good idea:
Reason: Bash is an orb effect and 10% bash is far from great so you will be sarcificing your ability to use instane orb effects and it would be reasonably cheep.

@ Frozen Fenrir: You have a point there. Heroes could get really out of hand really fast. Altough currently they heal 10 life with "Heal" to anyone which didn't effect gameplay drasticly, but mmm. Ty for reminding me...

@ whiplash:
*OFF TOPIC* I think I'm cursed! WTF! *OFF TOPIC*

I'll fix your names in 0.4.2

Any suggestions on how to improve the totorial other than to make it slightly longer waits? Things I should mention?

 

[FrozenFenrir]

Level 4 & 5 still undecided and chances are I'll change it since they are "supportive spellcasters" but I thought it would be good if the research levels "cancel" the reaserches of your enemies to minimalize the effect on gameply.

maybe split those 2 auras in 2 different researches but u can only research ONE of them so the team have to decide which would be more effective(if u think about this option u should raise the -1 armor to -2 cause its more equal like the -5%dmg IMO)

I could make it that you gain an intrest rate on your gold like:
1%
2%
3%
4%
5%
every 5 seconds all your gold is increased by that percentage

5% every 5 secs is extremely much
example: u have 2000 gold
after 5 secs u get 100 gold
and after a while u dont even have to kill creeps'n'stuff cause your money gets bigger and bigger and bigger
i would say 5% every 10-15 secs

btw...while we are talking about money...
i got a new skill idea

Name: Toss a coin
description:
(NUKE) the player tosses a coin. if "heads",the enemy gets dmg equal to XX% of your current gold and if he's channeling it will be aborted. if tails the enemy still gets the same amount of dmg but u also lose the same amount of your gold.

so it has a 50% chance if your toss succeeds or fails

CD: 45secs
manacosts: 80

lvl1:
2-3%of current gold in dmg

lvl2:
4-6% of current gold in dmg

lvl3:
6-9% of current gold in dmg

lvl4:
8-12% of current gold in dmg

lvl5:
10-15% of current gold in dmg

 

[KYTON]

Argh!!!! Bad news.....


In my version 0.4.2 (99% done) I found a bug which well can't be fixed since the creators of warcraft forgot to add a UNIT_TYPE_WARD and thus I can't add or remove it.


Let me explain:

In version 0.4.2 all creeps have the WARD classification. The result is that you can't order the unit to do something. When you select the unit the order buttons is not there. (Okay actually you can still order the unit to move or attack by clicking, but I made a trigger to prevent that) At the end of the day they act 99% like you don't own them. The creeps are then given to player 1, 2 & 3 and bounty is now given via triggers which cause you not to gain the gold of creeps.

Like I said I can't remove the ward classification from the units.... so if you convert them, make mirror images of them or animate them there will still be a restricion on their controll.

This will cause several abilities to have MAYOR bugs.... Abilities include:

Clone
Mystic Chain
Conversion
The Animate Dead of Dark Impulse
....

I could disable these abilities and update tonight or could remake them and update tomorrow or I could remove the ward classification which will cause the entire 12 player system to get stuffed?

What should I do?

Also when I remake what should Mystic Chain do? Should I replace it with a new ability?
Any ideas for a magic ultimate? Should I cause dark impulse to raise the dead units as zombies? Should I remove the raising of dark impulse?

Also.... I'm quite sorry to say. But I didn't get the time to add your new abilities. Coin toss idea is awesome... I like it so much I think I'm rather going to make it into an item. Like Coin of Fate. I'll add most pf it in version 0.4.3 which would be a quick hotfix for bugs that will appear in version 0.4.2

 

[Zap_Brannigan]

hhhhm Kyton this is just a idea but maybe you need 2 rethink some of your items. I mean like let say Krona's might. 2 build it is just so hard and it is really pissing me off. I mean like 2 build it you need 4 items were 3 of the 4 are other items you also need 2 build and those 3 items also need 2 be build and the items the 3 are made of also needs 2 be build. I mean like after a while it is just not worth it 2 go through all that effort just for that 1 item. You also run out of inventory space later wich also makes it a lot harder. BTW starting gold bugged up when i played. I got 70 gold, Whip got 600, other ppl also got other amounts of gold. Btw Claymore is realy cool, i love him!

 

[wh1pl4sh]

i have an idea. to fix the creep and 4v4v4 thing. just prevent the named abilities from affecting creeps, like heroes only.

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well and if everything else dont work...well...
12 players are hard to get these days(still have problem with getting 8 other players...)
so it wouldnt be that bad if u stay at your 3v3v3 based map.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

yeah true but sometimes it gets boring 3v3v3, not enough action. o, bug found, avatar and that warrior ability which gives u max ms and unable to cast spells bugs and activates both with hotkey...ill add the ability name later forgot it

is the claymore spellcaster??? cuz somehow he gets spellcaster abilites. oh, another thing, if you chack ur movement speed, it shows you your ms and any1 whos ability buying wisp is near u's ms

 

[wh1pl4sh]

Name: Toss a coin
description:
(NUKE) the player tosses a coin. if "heads",the enemy gets dmg equal to XX% of your current gold and if he's channeling it will be aborted. if tails the enemy still gets the same amount of dmg but u also lose the same amount of your gold.

dunno if u guys ever played dota before icefrog started working on it, but theres a guy which ulti is EXACTLY like your ability. cool idea, but only if u have money...

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well yes i played dota before but i dont know every hero there lol
i hate dota so i dont steal any skill from there
it was my own idea =O

well that skill would perfectly fit to that "coin press" skill and also to a hero idea from me some time before (that true alchemist who had transmute)

 

[KYTON]

Finally an update... I made a few updates...

My changes:

-------------------------Chaos Version 0.4.2-------------------------
Reduced Special Effects of rift storm which should reduce lag slightly
Changed rift storm the dps per 0.3 secs from 20,30,40 to 20,25,30
Changed the final damage of rift storm from 150;225;300 to 100;200;300
Avatar now grants a 50% chance to knockback units
Reduced Leaping Strike Cooldown from 30 to 20
Removed some useless stored data that caused spells to be more likely to
use the game chache and thus lag
Remade Trampel Entirely which now knockbacks units
In Last Team Standing the multi-board no longer displays building life and
only displays Defeated/Alive
Fixed bug with guided missile

-------------------------Chaos Version 0.4.1b (never uploaded)------------
Supportive Spellcasters no longer has "heal" but now grants bonus life regen to nearby units

The upgrade Improved healing is now replaced with Supportive Magic which grants an additional aura
with each level of the upgrade:

Level 1: +1 mana regen (stacks with brilliance and other mana boosting auras)
Level 2: +1 Armor
Level 3: +5% damage
Level 4: +4% ms & as
Level 5: +5% life steal

1 New Item:
Nature's Grasp

1 New Ability:
Rift Storm (Spellcaster Only)

Short mode now only effect the life of units that can attack

Remade the descriptions of all non-charged items

New abilities in enchanted Creeps mode:
Lightning Echanted (Create chain lightnings dealing 15 damage apon attacking)
Nether Enhcanted (reduce armor with attacks)
Diehard (reincarnation)
Spell Immune


------------------------------Bugs--------------------------------
Fixed bug causing the human mains to become vulnerable if the connon tower on the right is destroyed
The tree of life no longer grants free "max food" (had no actual game effect)
Fixed Bug allowing Neatral Creeps to Gain First Blood
Fixed amount of creeps spawning for Wildlings in bottom lane
Fixed bug with multi-kill
Fixed bug with first blood
Fixed mayor bug with thunder orbs
Fixed bug with gold sharing
Fixed bug with the Burning Soul Ability of the fire elemental not to improve with levels
-----------------------------Changes------------------------------

Supportive Spellcasters no has an attack range of 500 instead of 600

Improved Eldin Magefire agility per level from 3 to 3.25
Reduced Flying Dutchman strenght per level from 3.5 to 3.25
Reduced Flying Dutchman agility per level from 2 to 1.5
Increased Flying Dutchman intelligence per level from 1.5 to 1.75
Improved the intelligence of all ranged intelligence heroes by 0.25
Changed Coatl's stats which was unlike its description stated:
It is now:

Agi. 16 +0.5
Int. 16 +2.5
[Str.] 25 +3.5



Reduced mana regen of all heroes without attributes/items from 2 to 1.75

Yozshura the Fire Blade Orc no longer has Spellcaster class

Parasite damage now improves with level
Parasite is now permenant on non-heroes
Parasite now slow target slightly
Feedback now improve with levels
Amplified attack now improve with levels
Everchanging form now grants 25% bonus evasion instead of 20%
Reduced Pulverize damage from 45 to 30
Pulverize now improve with levels
Improved Naga Traits granting +8% ms instead of +7%
Reduced damage of lightning field from 65 to 40
Lightning Field now improves with levels
Each bolt in broadside salvo now deals 0.4 times the users strenght instead of 0.5
Improved attack speed bonus of rampage from 20% to 30%

Removed Mystic Chain due to bugs with it and the new 12 player system
Disabled Conversion to due to bugs with it and the new 12 player system
Dark Impulse no longer animates dead units

Seal of Water (Water Only) now deals 80;100;120 damage per second instead of 125
Seal of water (Water Only) now lasts 4 seconds instead of 3;4;5
Increased Seal of Water (Water Only) mana cost from 200 to 225
Increased Ethereal Jaunt mana cost from 80 to 100
Decreased Ethereal Jaunt cooldown from 16 to 12
Ethereal Jaunt now boosts movementspeed by 10%
Clone can no longer target non-heroes

Improved the Intelligence bonus of Tome of Arcana from 20 to 25


Most of the updates is rather minor... I should update a few mayor things in the next few versions. The next update I'm going to focus on a few new items and new abilities as wells as remaking some of my older abilities. I might add another tavern...

 

[RickBanzon]

Found a couple of problems, something needs frost mask, but there's only ice mask and the last item for the sapphire needs frost wake, which there is none.

 

[KYTON]

Thanks for reporting the bugs with the descriptions.

 

[bladenker]

don't goes

 

[FrozenFenrir]

don't goes

1.it actually DOES work
2. learn english...

 

[KYTON]

Sorry but my only update with the new version is the fix of the -stuck bug... I'll make another decent update later...

Sorry people I started another map....which I didn't finish...and then started another one...but didn't finish that too...Finally I decided that I should continue with CHAOS....if you are interested in becomming an official beta tester...I made a forum...where currently looking for people and when we have enough we will play official games on weekends on Europe B-net Sever

 

[FrozenFenrir]

you can count on me for betatesting =)
can u post the forum link?

 

[KYTON]

Hey sorry... here the link

 

[bountygiver]

When I first played this I must admit I was impressed. Your skill customization system means that it was possible to create any build of hero I intended, the vast array of game modes promises a fun experience, and your "elemental" item systems are most definitely a good addition, as it makes it easy to decide whatever we want to buy later in the game.

You done quite some work on the terrain, as I can see, however it still looks a little bland on my opinion. Try to makes better use of doodads, it greatly improves the aesthetics of the terrain.

The pathing system works quite fine to me, but I sometimes get this problem that suddenly all my creeps just stopped suddenly for a few seconds and doing nothing. They continue pushing after a while, but sometimes it gets a little bit frustrating. Hope you can fix that in the next version. Other than that, I also get no bounty from killing elite melee troops and siege weapons.

Other than those, it's a well rounded AoS map with almost unlimited room for development. Compliments again for a good job done.

bountygiver

PS: It's spelled "Recipe", not "Recipy"

EDIT: 5/5 rating given

 

[KYTON]

You done quite some work on the terrain, as I can see, however it still looks a little bland on my opinion. Try to makes better use of doodads, it greatly improves the aesthetics of the terrain.

Thank you... and mmm.... some areas are really bland now that you mention it... this is prob due to the fact that I started with everything bland and worked on small areas adding features to those areas which cause some areas to be a lot better textured than others....I'll try and improve the terrain, especially at the outside of the map...

The pathing system works quite fine to me, but I sometimes get this problem that suddenly all my creeps just stopped suddenly for a few seconds and doing nothing. They continue pushing after a while, but sometimes it gets a little bit frustrating. Hope you can fix that in the next version.

This is due to the fact that whenever a new wave spawn all the orders of all the creeps are refreshed...which for some reason cause the units to stand still... I'll fix this in the next version...Since I now actually know how to check if a unit is idle...

Other than that, I also get no bounty from killing elite melee troops and siege weapons.

Sorry what do you mean by elite troops?

Other than those, it's a well rounded AoS map with almost unlimited room for development. Compliments again for a good job done.

Thanks a lot and thanks for the rating.

PS: It's spelled "Recipe", not "Recipy"

lol... I'll remember that....X-D

 

[KYTON]

New update!!!

 

[FrozenFenrir]

and now i found a bug...
in your update log here on this page its still 0.4.2a instead of 0.4.2b
=PPP

 

[KYTON]

Fixed it ....Thanks

 

[wh1pl4sh]

so im amped for abit of chaos now, but my connection is fraking me out. can you host yet kyt cuz mine wont...

 

[KYTON]

Nope can't....sorry:-(.... Nice to hear some people are still amped for it...

 

[ReDeR]

Not Bad AOS 3 Team: I made Ghost Map Cfg here you re Maps - Warcraft 3 The Black Road RPG Clan site

 

[KYTON]

Hey thanks! !

But what is a Ghost Map Cfg...sorry...

 

[ReDeR]

Ghost is very popular Hosting Bot.
Usually this bot is only for Dota Games.. But I manage to Create map cfg's for other maps If pll want to host this map with (ping spoof checks. ban list ...) now they CAN

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well i never heard of ghost...
i just know banlist,visual custom kick(thats what im using atm...highly recommended!) and listchecker(never tried this)

 

[KYTON]

After ages...I a new update is around the courner...I made mayor updates to performance...reducing the average function calls per second by 50+...

Any suggestions for other updates....


(Tested...so far...the average fraps is up with 1.5)

Concepts so far for new update: Decided to update the "all skills"

New Skill: Portal Strike
Teleport to target unit and deal additional damage equal (Level*25)+(Agility+Strenght), ministun target and then teleports back to initial location.

New Skill: Dodge
Reduce damage taken by 85% for 1 second. Cooldown: 11-level. Mana Cost: 35

New Skill: Luck
When dealt damage there is a 3%/6%/9%/12%/15% chance the damage is ignored. There is also a 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance that the caster takes x2 damage. Also grants a 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance to deal x4 damage.

New Skill: Craft Potion
Creates a potion which can't be sold. A hero can only have one potion at a time. The potion has level charges. Potion does the following: Restores 25+Str life or Restores 25+Int mana or deals 5+Agi damage and mini stun target or deals 25+Int/2 damage in a 250 aoe. Mana Cost: 70. Cooldown: 60. Cast Time: 2.

New Skill: Mastery (ultimate)
Reset cooldowns. Cooldown: 180/150/120 seconds. Mana Cost: 350.

Some item concepts I might add...

New Item: Token of Luck: Grants a 5% chance to deal x6 damage and a 15% chance to evade attacks. Also reduce wearers armor by 5.


New Item: Darksteel Stone: Requires: Ruby, Saphire, Emerald, Topaz.

Darksteel Stone+Ring of Energy+Ring of Stamina=Darksteel Ring: Gains one charge whenever you kill a hero. Refreshes all cooldowns once it hits 2 charges. Whenever you kill a non-hero you gain +25 mana and life.

Darksteel Stone+Skull+Daimond=Darksteel Neclace: Grants +100 mana and +100 life. Gains one charge when the user casts a spell or use an item. Restores life equal to 10x number of charges.

Darksteel Stone+Leather Armor=Darksteel Plate: Grants +15 armor. Grants 35% magic resistance and stops a spell once every 120 seconds.

New Item: (CONCEPT.....might add...but might destroy balance totally...since the concept of the item is super unique) Darksteel Orb: Grants the ability to do all of the following.
+1 charge: Kill target non-hero unit (cooldown: 30)
-1 charge: Kill target non-hero enemy.
-2 charges: Teleport to target point in map.
-3 charges: Slow target hero. 9999 range. 45%.
-5 charges: Deals 500 damage to target hero. 9999 range.
-6 charges: Puts all enemy non-heroes to sleep.
-10 charges: Creates a 3000 life dragon, dealing 80-120 chaos damage. lasts 360 seconds.
-12 charges: Revive a random dead ally hero at the position of the hero.
-15 charges: Deals 500 damage to all heroes, non-heroes and structures including self.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

Some item concepts I might add...

New Item: Token of Luck: Grants a 5% chance to deal x6 damage and a 15% chance to evade attacks. Also reduce wearers armor by 5.


New Item: Darksteel Stone: Requires: Ruby, Saphire, Emerald, Topaz.

Darksteel Stone+Ring of Energy+Ring of Stamina=Darksteel Ring: Gains one charge whenever you kill a hero. Refreshes all cooldowns once it hits 2 charges. Whenever you kill a non-hero you gain +25 mana and life.

Darksteel Stone+Skull+Daimond=Darksteel Neclace: Grants +100 mana and +100 life. Gains one charge when the user casts a spell or use an item. Restores life equal to 10x number of charges.

Darksteel Stone+Leather Armor=Darksteel Plate: Grants +15 armor. Grants 35% magic resistance and stops a spell once every 120 seconds.

New Item: (CONCEPT.....might add...but might destroy balance totally...since the concept of the item is super unique) Darksteel Orb: Grants the ability to do all of the following.
+1 charge: Kill target non-hero unit (cooldown: 30)
-1 charge: Kill target non-hero enemy.
-2 charges: Teleport to target point in map.
-3 charges: Slow target hero. 9999 range. 45%.
-5 charges: Deals 500 damage to target hero. 9999 range.
-6 charges: Puts all enemy non-heroes to sleep.
-10 charges: Creates a 3000 life dragon, dealing 80-120 chaos damage. lasts 360 seconds.
-12 charges: Revive a random dead ally hero at the position of the hero.
-15 charges: Deals 500 damage to all heroes, non-heroes and structures including self.

so far the darksteel stone sounds really nice, we might just want to know what it does...the luck token sounds awesome, the ring and stone you may want to balance with something like loses a charge when you die, etc. the darksteel plate sounds a lot different than the usual armors...but fun as for that huge mother of an item the darksteel orb...WAY2IMBA!!!!!!!! could be balanced but it's gonna take time!

Concepts so far for new update: Decided to update the "all skills"

New Skill: Portal Strike
Teleport to target unit and deal additional damage equal (Level*25)+(Agility+Strenght), ministun target and then teleports back to initial location.

New Skill: Dodge
Reduce damage taken by 85% for 1 second. Cooldown: 11-level. Mana Cost: 35

New Skill: Luck
When dealt damage there is a 3%/6%/9%/12%/15% chance the damage is ignored. There is also a 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance that the caster takes x2 damage. Also grants a 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance to deal x4 damage.

New Skill: Craft Potion
Creates a potion which can't be sold. A hero can only have one potion at a time. The potion has level charges. Potion does the following: Restores 25+Str life or Restores 25+Int mana or deals 5+Agi damage and mini stun target or deals 25+Int/2 damage in a 250 aoe. Mana Cost: 70. Cooldown: 60. Cast Time: 2.

New Skill: Mastery (ultimate)
Reset cooldowns. Cooldown: 180/150/120 seconds. Mana Cost: 350.

so far the potion skill is really cool, i'm going to enjoy that one. the Mastery ulti's mana is a bit harsh, but sounds cool. Luck...well...to be honest it sounds useless but also very imbalanced at the same time (don't know whether that made sense ) can be really funny as well as suicidal.

Please explain Dodge a bit further as it sounds like level 11 you get permanent 85% damage reduction, or is it the abilities level?

also, portal strike is sooooo awesome! i want to steal it for mahself! hehe but awesome skill nontheless.

the fps and line calls is a relly good start in making chaos smoother, more efficient and more fun.
all in all, a good update.

*EDIT* loving the new potion spell!!!

 

[KYTON]

New Skill: Dodge
Reduce damage taken by 85% for 1 second. Cooldown: 11-level. Mana Cost: 35

It reduces damage taken by 85% for 1 second. The cooldown reduce with level:

Level 1: 10
Level 2: 9
Level 3: 8
Level 4: 7
Level 5: 6

Might increase the duration to 1.5 or 1.25....
or make it: Take 50% reduced damage + gain a 100% chance to dodge all attacks....

Edit: As for darksteel orb....the idea is for its components to cost +- 7000 gold or 10000....More or less to be a ultimate artifact...and note that you can only get charges by killing allied summoned units....So to cast any of those spells you will have to multiply 30 seconds by the number of charges it uses....which is rather massive...450 seconds if you want to use the 500 damage to all units....(which an't so great).... Also the item has no abilities other than its charge abilities.... but since it is such a unique item...I will have to perfect the concept before I can add it....since as far as I'm a where there is no item which is at all near to darksteel orb. Okay the 500 damage anywhere in the map and slow anywhere in the map is slightly retarded....I'll rework it....it was just a concept...

I personally don't thing darksteel ring is that great...okay reset cooldowns is very powerful...but only with every second person you kill....resetting the amount of charges would work well for the ring....Also you don't kill that much neutrals....only about 3 every 30 seconds....3*25/30 gives you 2.5 life and mana regen average....which is okay..

The necklace is a strange item....since not if you use it, it uses all your charges... but it an't that great only very usefull.

Might reduce the magic damage reduction or armor of darksteel place since it is kinda imba....

 

[wh1pl4sh]

yeah true, darksteel orb is a really unique item. maybe you can try and scale it down as a beta item, add only one of it's abilities to it at a time (change it in the next version if you understand) to see whether it will be abused or something.

personally, the luck skill seems useless at this stage (without having played it), maybe rework that one to be something more specific.

just an idea: make the wake of frost only have the ability to slow melee attackers passively maybe...it just takes too long to use one of it's effects, and to master it you would have to be IMBAFAST on your hotkeys/mouse buttons...

just too much effort actually. but that's just me.
anyway, thanx for listening to my ideas

 

[KYTON]

Note Luck is not useless, it only has one penalty:

Bonuses:
+3%/6%/9%/12%/15% chance the damage is ignored. Note this effects spells ( In effect reduce damage taken by 15%)

+1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance to deal x4 damage with normal attacks. (In effect increase damage dealt by 15%. also stacks with critical strike...)

Penalty:
- 1%/2%/3%/4%/5% chance that when dealt damage, the caster takes x2 damage. (Increase damage taken in effect by 5%)

As for wake of frost, I though since it's bonus ability is rather IMBA when ganging someone, it is an appropriate counter measure, and very very few maps have items where the items have more than one activated ability... so...its a very unique concept.... I'll consider changing it, but chances are I will keep it the same....

Hopefully in time all my items will be something like darksteel orb or ring, which is truly unique and nothing like the items of all the AOS'es available.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

it's your map...but the wake of frost is really imbalanced when ganging on a single player with more than one buddy...but my personal opinion is that the second ability is a "stupid add on" (no offence there) that shadows the true purpose of the item and makes it hard on new players/experienced hands (such as mine) to really use the item effectively.

On luck, it still seems rather bleh... don't know what...ftw...sighz... >.< no idea just looks like a skill that could be fun but somehow isn't...

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well i had never problems fighting ppl with this items back...
well maybe its my standard build...
my enemies rarely come close enough to hit me before i kill them lol
so i would say there are much stronger items IMO
but...well...it all depends on the fighting style+situation.

 

[KYTON]

New Update!!!!

Also post your screenshots of a chaos match here and I'll add it to the map description !

 

[Mitchomitch]

One of the best maps i've ever played. I like the skill-system so much... 5/5. This is pure awesomeness! Keep up the good work! +rep!

 

[KYTON]

Thank you...Mitchomitch...really thank you....You just inspired me to work more on chaos ^^

If you have idea's for all skills I would like to hear them...or if you have any idea's concerning chaos I would be glad to hear them too...

 

[FrozenFenrir]

maybe u could add some of my hero ideas ive made some months ago ;D
like the true alchemist or the mean ogre.
maybe i'll write some more hero suggestions in the next weeks

 

[KYTON]

If you experience insane lag on b-net... Tell me please. I updated the core running all my missiles and after having a game of intense lag....thought this might be the problem....please tell me if you also experience intense lag.

 

[Mitchomitch]

Some wishes^^:
-Special creeps which are dropping special items?
-Ultimate Items, you can only have one of them in your inventory, but they are kick-ass imba. (But also imba to get )

What I noticed: You don't need to buy recipes, because all items get automaticaly crafted when you've got the right indigrents. This makes it easy to get the very good items. (But it doesn't bother me at all xD)

 

[KYTON]

Some wishes^^:
-Special creeps which are dropping special items?
-Ultimate Items, you can only have one of them in your inventory, but they are kick-ass imba. (But also imba to get )

What I noticed: You don't need to buy recipes, because all items get automaticaly crafted when you've got the right indigrents. This makes it easy to get the very good items. (But it doesn't bother me at all xD)

Haha....

About your ultimate items.... this is actually quite funny....

You may only carry one artifact (green item)...so I already added it . If you play Artifact mode, you may have unlimited artifacts but only one of the same type.

 

[FrozenFenrir]

yay!new version!
ill try those new skills later =P

EDIT:
tried both skills and...uhm...
1) its not that great if the pot is permanently in your inventory...you should warn the players in the skilldescription!
2) the mastery ability...yeah...if u have baccobs knowledge and mastery,baccobs knowledge' refresh doesnt work anymore for some reason oO

 

[Mitchomitch]

You may only carry one artifact (green item)...so I already added it . If you play Artifact mode, you may have unlimited artifacts but only one of the same type.

Ah, ok, understood now^^

Well, anyway, cool map
Are you planning more elements in your game?

 

[KYTON]

Are you planning more elements in your game?

Hopefully....Ideas would be welcome...

Edit: Strange that baccob's knowledge bugs with Mastery......I'll look into it...

About the pot I'll fix it soon....I forgot to make a setting that it gets used up when 0 charges is remaining.... Or I'll might implement some system that you can borrow pots to other players

 

[Davian Thule]

Hey
great map! best map i played so far but there are a few balancing problems.

first of all the Naga Myrm. it has way too much strength i killed the enemy main building alone and i was attacked by a lot of creeps.

then the fire spells are a little better than most other elements for example fire rain or fire nova those abillities rock more than each other.

and last the elemental storm. this ability kills everything if you have about 2k mana please let it drain more mana or do less damage.

greetz


yeah and could you please add more elements like combined things ?? fire and water gives steam (element TD style) and so on. and more items would be great.!!


ill work on a list with new elements ill post it if i have a few

 

[KYTON]

Hey thanks, Davian....

about the Naga Myrm....my mains are a little weak and strength heroes tend to end up rather powerful due to the fact that int heroes have far more fire-power in CHAOS...since you have 4 abilities+ulti....although you have a good point....I'll try to balance the heroes... It has been said that strenght heroes are better than int and agi...

Also...note that Fire deals large amounts of damage but its cooldowns is longer than that of lightning...while lightning deal very little damage but with very small cooldowns and mana costs....and cold...well freezes....

But you have a point...Fire is currently the best element, followed by Lightning....since fire deals massive damage and sometimes stuns......

As for elemental storm...its rather potent yes...but...have you played it against other heroes...since its way more effective against creeps than heroes...I'll maybe increase the mana cost....its currently 33mana/0.33 seconds...

As for your combined thing....I've been considering this for a while actually...but my idea is a little different...what I though is adding synergy's:

Let me explain:
You have blizzard....
You also have lightning bolt...

Blizzard now has a small chance to shoot units within the AOE with a minor lightning bolt...dealing damage based on the level of lightning bolt.

Synergies could also add a more passive bonus of the same tree:
Meteor
Meteor Swarm

Meteor deals 10% extra damage per level in meteor swarm
Meteor Swarm deals 5% extra damage per level in meteor....

Or skills of the same type could form synergies:

Lightning Weaponry (warrior): Each level increase the damage of aftershock by 3
Aftershock (lightning): Each level increase the damage of Lightning Weaponry by 3

And so on....

What you suggest...is ....If I'm correct....like a special shop for elemental combination...like......water & fire=steam and then you have like 3 additional skills to choose from...which is also a great idea....I would add them all to versatility...until versatility is full...then I might add another shop like Elemental Synergies......and one day I might make a shop for each combination of elements...the only problem with all those shops is that the wizard will end up with 10+ shops...

 

[Dragoon_Jett]

A few things, I find that If you can say that there are few items? As in since you can only have one weapon for example you need to find good other items, and as a str there was no perfect armor, so just a balancing so each type of hero can aim for the best 'set'. Unit upgrades should have a less cooldown, when I couldn't buy items since I had all the types I wanted to upgrade my team and found it took a long time and we won before I could. The boss creeps need to be harder to kill but not strengthened when they spawn for you, also the spawned lane creeps need to scale upgrade, I would recommend that over time they get more armor/health NOT damage I find I can just slaughter them.



EDIT: Tritons Fist Has the same hotkey as Storm Bolt, also the Mystic Staff, its heal ability does not work.
Also -di* is a REALLY good idea, if your worked.

 

[FrozenFenrir]

looks like my bug report of the two new skills has been ignored *drop*