CHAOS V0.5.2Beta

[FrozenFenrir]

Stones of Protection(passive)
When targeted by spell
10/15/20/25/30% chance to negate
Stun enemy for .5/1/1.5/2/2.5 seconds
Damage enemy 15/30/45/60/75

the damage and the stun are too much...
casters would permanent kill theirselves ><
30% chance to negate an incoming spell is almost enough
maybe raise the amount at max to 35-40% and its okay

Armor of Stone:
Affects all Allys in X radius on cast
+4/8/12/16/20 Armor
Lasts 6/8/10/12/14 Seconds

i think this would work well as it is ;D
maybe with a 30~45 secs cd and its well ballanced

Stone Frenzy(passive)(activates when attacked)
10/20/30% chance to frenzy when attacked
+attack speed 30%
+Movement speed +10%
Heals hero 100-150 HP

this would be a great ultimate...just reduce the healed amount to...hm...75?(25hp per level) i think this would work fine
100~150hp healed every 3rd hit would be too evil.

 

[shadonavan]

well the way i see it most of the damage in this game is from spells and not from normal attacks(unless your a mostly passive hero) so the ultimate wouldnt be that powerful.

and i what about 30% chance to block spells with 10/20/30/40/50 damage and stun of 1 or 1.5 second all lvls

Edit
Also these skills were made for agame thats pretty much 80% based on spells and not so much on attacking until much later in the game. the hero was ment to be an early game anti caster. late game tank!

Edit AGIAN!
Ok just got out of a game and someone had the best idea EVER. idk if this is posible(if so it would make game WAY BETTER) but make it so hotkeys will always be either asdfqw or asdfer for skills and just make it so the skill will have a hotkey depending on either where its at on your hero ability thing in bottom right corner or were its at on your soul! HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE.........
on a CoMpLeTlY UnRelaTed not i am note on My FouRth Gamer fueL mouNtain dEw and i must say thEy reAllY do WoRk!1!1.*#45^@

 

[KYTON]

Thanks guys for the ideas .....and sorry for not responding quickly or updating...I have been busy the last few days....

The next update will be pretty mayor...I'm remaking the whole win/lose system along with several other updates...my changelog so far :



2 New Heroes
Changed X/Y button position of all spells to 0/2 which making it easier to track which skill book
of abilities is going to level

Changed Ensnare's Hotkey from E to R
Changed Energy Burst's Hotkey from E to B

(E is used by the static abilities of heroes)


Fixed bug that might strip you of your ulti points if you have more than 1 and buy an ulti

2 New all skills:
Arcane Resistance (grant damage reduction vs magical damage)
True Sight (See invisible units)

Redid monster shrine code (no longer leaks + Units created formula is now slightly differant)

 

[shadonavan]

i still like the whole makin it so abilities have hotkey depending on were they areon your soul i think it was a really good idea. dont know how you would do it but man it would make the game ezer!

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well the way i see it most of the damage in this game is from spells and not from normal attacks(unless your a mostly passive hero) so the ultimate wouldnt be that powerful.

you forgot about the units.
if u run in a mob of units attacking you...ur at full health in a few secs!
this means u can run almost dead to the enemy base with alot of units and stay there like forever getting healed over and over again.

and i what about 30% chance to block spells with 10/20/30/40/50 damage and stun of 1 or 1.5 second all lvls

hm...the stun maybe to 0,5 so its more a small disabler than an evil stun

 

[wh1pl4sh]

ok so maybe my skills makes 0 sense...but just think about it. the more units it hits the more damage it does to the last unit to be hit by the wave.

i think it's just awesome.

try and add it, would be much better than the current wave (which is lame, no offense)

 

[KYTON]

People ...If you can comment on the following deep discussion of my balacing it would be great....The main prob I have at the moment is this:

Int heroes are imba early game
Int heroes have tons of useless mana late game
Mana regen is useless once you have +int items or +mana regen
Melee heroes own late game
Ranged Agility heroes only tend to own if they take the
(Cold Arrows/Crits/Evasion/Far Shot/Black Rain)
build....

Currently the balancing looks like this: (red is things I might change)

Agility
+1% attack speed
+0.14 to defense (gives you +-0.35% damage reduction)
+0.5 to ms


Strength
+18 life
+0.05 life regen

Intelligence
+16 mana
+0.05 mana regen

Melee Heroes:
+7 to attributes each level
1.44 base attack cooldown

Short Ranged
+6.5 to attributes each level
1.8 base attack cooldown

Ranged
+6 to attributes each level
1.8 base attack cooldown

All heroes:
200 Base life
1.25 base life regeneration
0 Base Mana
295 ms
1.75 base mana regeneration

Okay....for me it was clear when I looked at the stats that they are the reason for some of the imbalances....Melee heroes have a 20% faster attack speed and gain 7 to all stats ....while ranges heroes have a puny +6 to all stats.....so I decided maybe its time to change some things

Possible Changes

Set melee heroe's attack cooldown to 1.8 from 1.44...
Set the base life to 250...will help early game againts those annoying feeders.
Set base mana regen to 1.25 from 1.75...
The +0.5 bonus to ms from agility made me look at the agility maybe I should change it:

Melee: 290
Semi ranged: 280
Ranged: 270

Further possible changes:

Ring of energy (+0.5 mana regen to +0.4 mana regen)
(ring of energy was kinda imba if you use it with a +% mana regen item)

Boots: (yes I know whiplash suggested and not all of you aggree...but ask yourself...how many times have you bought the following boots...list is from best to worst (debateble))

Jade Boots (stun AOE and damage ...try facing a team with just jade boots)
Lightning Boots (super fast movementspeed for a short while...you can catch anyone and lose anyone...unless they have it as well)
Unholy Boots (with its super long transition time....it kinda sucks...but it allows stealthy attacks....mainly for int heroes with their ulti's that deal super damage close range)
Cold Boots (these actually slow units....nice.... not that it helps alot...you can't chase people with it....just make you harder to kill)
Mystic Boots (used to be super imba.....with a 5 sec cooldown....now they kinda suck....)
Fire Boots (deals damage to those who are dumb enought to run right behind you.....I was never able to use it effectively)


Note the ms bonus of all boots was +70


Boots: +50
Jade Boots: +60
Lightning Boots: +60
Unholy Boots : +60 (reduce transition time)
Cold Boots : +70
Fire Boots : +70
Mystic Boots : +70

Edit : Okay I decided I'm gona test all these changes in the next version

 

[NeverDeath]

Hey Kyton.

Here's what I think are good ideas, of the possible changes you mentioned:

Keep the stats spread the same as it is, with melee getting 7, short getting 6.5 and full-range getting 6 of all stats.

Instead of changing this stats spread, it might be a good idea to, as you suggested, modify the base values of some hero types. I think that the attack speed should probably be roughly the same across all heroes, with agility modifying it from that point.

To have it any other way could possibly throw the balance for heroes such as strength heroes who might be attacking somewhere near the speed of agility heroes - thus outclassing agility heroes.

For the intelligence heroes, it sounds like you may want to think about slightly reducing the amount of mana gained per point of int, maybe to 14 down from its current 16. In addition to this, to offset, grant a starting mana bonus to heroes. Maybe of 50 or so? That way, Int heroes will still start with plenty of mana, but so will non-int heroes, and int heroes won't start out with more oomph than everyone else. That is my solution, anyway. Maybe it will work?

I like your idea for movement speed changes to heroes by their classification of melee/short-range/full-range. I think that is a very intelligent way to dictate movement speed base for hero types.

For the boots, these are my suggestions:

If you think about it, wouldn't you expect a pair of LIGHTNING boots to be ultra-fast, whereas Jade or Cold boots might seem like they would be slow, but with special magical powers? What I would suggest, is rearranging their values. I know and expect that you will have your own ideas on how best to do this, but let me give some of my own examples as demonstration:

Lightning Boots - 80 ms.

now what will other boots have in order to help them compete? As an example:

Mystic Boots - 60 ms and some magic resistance

or maybe

Jade Boots - 55 ms and periodically remove negative effects from the wearer (triggered obviously).

These ideas just flew off the top of my head, so don't take them as genius or definitely great ideas, but they are *rough* ideas, and could open the door to some good possibilities if you explore them

Anyways, that's all I've got for now, but I hope I was able to help some! I've said it before and I'll say it again, the map is great and you should be proud! Let me know if you want any more opinions outta me bro!

-NeverDeath.


Edit: Also, it's not a really big deal in terms of how well the game functions, but there are a lot of grammatical errors still in your map. I know your primary language is not English, so I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but if you'd like, I could help you fix a lot of these errors. I was an English Major in college, so I have a knack for that sort of thing . Contact me about it sometime if you're interested.

 

[shadonavan]

to help balance the fact that most int heros spells are USELESS late game set the damage to a formula instead of set damage. i think that might work.

Oh and i think you need to make some artifact boots! BTW i really like the idea of different boots having different MS and just making up for a slower one with slightly better specials. Maybe all lightning boots do is have +MS and the Cold boots could have +55-60 and slows units MS and AS by a little bit

 

[NeverDeath]

The Formula idea wouldn't be bad, except that if you do that for ONLY int abilities, there is the potential for them to end up becoming more powerful than agi and str hero abilities.

If he were to apply formulas to abilities he'd have to do it to all of the active abilities at least, so perhaps if he just amplifies the rate at which the damage increases at higher levels?

 

[KYTON]

The prob is.....a lot of my abilities are normal warcraft abilities....I'll only add that kind of damage amp. if really needed.....

 

[shadonavan]

yeah i ment adding it to all not just int. sry i didnt say that. but anyways i know it would be really difficult BUT i dont really see how int heros are underpowered late game. me personally i can pick an int hero and dominate late game. To prove my point im willing to take any challangers. names shadowdonavan on us east. so if anyone wants a match message me and we can play a game and ill show you how int heros arent underpowered. its all about the skills and items. heck i would even be willing to play a match Vs the MIGHTY KYTON!!

Edit
Alright just got out of a game. couple bugs. guy said his hail of arrows doesnt work. that and when a strategic point is controlled by someone and they are defeated it disappears.

 

[KYTON]

Ja I fixed the strategic point fanishing in my new version...I will release it as soon as I fixed my new heroes.....(bleh...) Hail of Arrows is a warcraft ability....so I have no idea how that could bug.....
So far:

Gryphon Rider:
Fly: Remove pathing and grant ms bonus, but remove ability to cast spells

Basalisk (Fellhound):
Petrify: Turn target unit to stone.While petrified target is paused, but gains +15 armor. Duration Square (Differance in strenght)*0.5 +1.5
(still needs lots of balancing)


? (Demon Hunter)
Sixth Sence: 400 los. 20% chance to reduce damage taken by 150.
Still needs a descript, a name (like what it is...like Crusader....Orc Warlock...etc), classes


Edit:

I just got this crazy idea ....


What if...whenever you cast a spell....you have some kind of aftershock .....dealing damage based on your int ...

Example : You cast a spell.....A projectile is then hurled at the target...If the spell doesn't have a target or targets an ally it is hurled at the nearest enemy.....dealing damage based on int

Edit: ...WIth my above example...It could instead just deal damage to nearby units....kinda create a mini-shockwave around the caster dealing int damage. This way you can deal massive damage in close combat....but to get close to an unit to cast a spell you will also expose yourself to a lot of damage.....

 

[shadonavan]

well what about the shockwave does damage base on int and spell lvl. for instance a lvl 1 would do .5*int lvl 2 would do 1*int lvl3 1.5*int lvl 4 2*int lvl5 2.5*int range could also grow. like lvl1 range could be JUST over melee and every spell lvl could add +50 range! now is this just guna be for casters? or is warrior skills guna be included?

Edit
What unit has hail of arrows in the normal wc3 games?

 

[wh1pl4sh]

Firstly you do NOT want to take kyt 1v1, his grammer is still failing and str heroes bash lategame more than any other heroes because they have more than twice, even thrice the health other heroes have. My suggestion would be to decrease the cooldown of int abilities and increase the damage just a little. What also could work is giving int heroes a few bash items early game and perhaps add a cheap shop next to each lane so that int heroes can stock on regen early game.

About the boots: jade boots should perhaps slow the ms and as of everyone it hits instead of the stun, stun is kinda imba in your map.

Oh and fix the frikken crazy spinning dude that i owned with lasr time with his all stats spin ability, make him spin faster.

EDIT: take a walk through my very large idea folder and look at some of the demon hunter ideas. You probably deleted it.

Well here's an idea:
You have no very crazy team agility hero, so how bout this:

Sightless one (class)
Sugar (name)

Stats:
agility: 22
Strenght: 14
Intelligence: 17

Skill classes:
Warrior, unholy, spellcaster???

Skill: unseeing sight:

He has a base los of 450, but he can see invisible units within 300 aoe, and has a 50% chance to reduce incoming damage by 15%, or he has a magic resistance of 30% and increased hp regen of 0.25 per level.

 

[KYTON]

Lol at suger....I just wanted an idea for a name for him and some classes.......kinda the theme of the hero....

@ shadonavan: Hail of arrows is a edited version of cluster rockets.

So far I done this:

Whenever you cast a spell with a mana cost higher that 35 you deal 0.01*your intelligence*your mana cost to nearby units with a max damage of 200. This includes all spells of all heroes. AOS: 225

I only have a very small aoe to....like I said....when the int hero want to deal this additional damage for his spels, he will have to expose him to a lot of damage.

Edit: Maybe I should add spell level yeah..... Any suggestions?


UPDATE : ZOMG......Please look at the changelog...

this might be the most interesting version yet...concerning balancing changes...

Edit 2: If any moderators decide to want to moderate my map...could you please mod the next version since I changed a lot of stuff in my current version which could bug....next version should be very stable...

Edit 3: If you guys wanna really help...post screenshots of your games so I can add it to the map descript....that would be awesome

 

[FrozenFenrir]

EDIT: take a walk through my very large idea folder and look at some of the demon hunter ideas. You probably deleted it.

Well here's an idea:
You have no very crazy team agility hero, so how bout this:

Sightless one (class)
Sugar (name)

Stats:
agility: 22
Strenght: 14
Intelligence: 17

Skill classes:
Warrior, unholy, spellcaster???

Skill: unseeing sight:

He has a base los of 450, but he can see invisible units within 300 aoe, and has a 50% chance to reduce incoming damage by 15%, or he has a magic resistance of 30% and increased hp regen of 0.25 per level.

*cough* YOUR idea?
afaik it was MY base idea with illidan and all that blind stuff...

Xion the Blind
agi based,melee
illidan model(not the tft illidan which is already in use =P)

classes: warrior,unholy,nature

skillpassive) the player who controls him has a much shorter sight-range(he only see stuff in a 400range around him from the whole terrain!)
but in return, he gain whole 30% evasion

remember ?_?

EDIT: btw ill try to make some nice screenshots in singleplayer now =P

 

[KYTON]

No feedback....bleh....

 

[shadonavan]

sry i just got home from work i will dl and test new heros ASAP! oh and yes i do want to play agianst kyton!

 

[shadonavan]

hhhhmmmm thus far i havent seen anything wrong!

 

[KYTON]

haha thats good! XD

 

[FrozenFenrir]

uhm when 1 base is defeated both remaining teams can see the whole map oO
is this supposed to be like that?_?

 

[shadonavan]

really i only played once but that didnt happen ill try it agian!

 

[FrozenFenrir]

ive played it 3 times and it always happened =/

 

[KYTON]

zomg...its supposed to be the inverse....If you are defeated your supposed to see the whole map....xD

 

[shadonavan]

yupyup i can see the whole thing when they lose!

 

[KYTON]

Okay I fixed it now.....but you'll have to give me more....I don't want do update with only a simple bugfix of 1 line....or 20 characters

 

[Chephros]

Hehe, Basilisk. Definitely a different idea from my hunter Felhound. Time to try him out.

 

[wh1pl4sh]

@Frozen Fenrir: lol, yeah i know you also suggested it, some of my first ideas for chaos (back when it was 2v2v2v2 and before than an RPG) was the illidan model, just shows how much of a great idea it is, KYTON ADD IT!!!

we can test all the bugs today, and take some screenies to upload, and even add some new stuff to the map (if we have time)

also looking forward to new heroes, kyton you must start waking up now and working on it...

 

[KYTON]

wh1p you should really start downloading new versions or at least going through the changelog...I added him already

 

[shadonavan]

suggestion!!!!!! ok i tested out the Gryphin rider guy (sry i dont know how to spell it) and i liked him the only problem i had was that his fly is TO SHORT. maybe make it so instead of it being timed it uses mana to keep flying and you can deactivate it when you want??
Oh and i thought the boots of lightning didnt have any special thing on them?just the MS bonus. i clicked on it and i got the speed boost still?!?

 

[KYTON]

......so did I.....

 

[shadonavan]

OMG i have an idea. what about a mode that was kinda a third person mode? like in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5t9NWViPrE
I think it would make it more exciting. some might not agree thats why i said to make it a mode and not a set thing im tryin to figure out the triggers right now.

 

[KYTON]

Hell yeah! ....that would be awesome...altough I might need to rework the map them.....since mine an't that pretty from a 3rd person perspective.....maybe make it two teams

 

[FrozenFenrir]

I think it would make it more exciting. some might not agree thats why i said to make it a mode and not a set thing im tryin to figure out the triggers right now.

ye im one of those guys who disagree lol.
3rd person maybe be good for a shooter map etc. but definately not for an aos.
u never know whats behind u so u die veeery easily...
but well..its a mode so i dont care as long as it doesnt push up the file size too much

 

[shadonavan]

Well Fenrir thats the point is to make the game more challenging for more experienced players. obviously this wouldnt be for people new to the game as it would be to difficult and they would probably leave within the first 5-10 minutes of game play. but you get a 3v3v3 game going with all pros and it would be fun as hell with third person view!

 

[FrozenFenrir]

Well Fenrir thats the point is to make the game more challenging for more experienced players. obviously this wouldnt be for people new to the game as it would be to difficult and they would probably leave within the first 5-10 minutes of game play. but you get a 3v3v3 game going with all pros and it would be fun as hell with third person view!

well u have to like 3rd person view actually to think this would be fun.
i personally doesnt like it that much(well i dont like it at wc3..)
also if u have a fulll game with just pros its still fun and challenging due to your strong opponents

 

[shadonavan]

nah i would super epic uber pwn them lol. im still waitin for someone on here to say hey want to play a game vs me im tired of playing games with people that have never played this b4.....makes it no fun when i can kill 3 heros and then their creep wave then their main base all without going to heal.....

 

[FrozenFenrir]

hm not really...
the most ppl ive met on the bnet(which are alot) dislike 3rd person view...they always change from 3rd person to the normal view if they can. and if they cant...well...they get fucked up and probably leave.
oh and btw ive got the same prob =/ only newbies out there =O
what are your fav builds btw?

 

[shadonavan]

lol what server you on i shall show you my build.Here it is
1 part awsome
2 parts sweetness
1 part amazingness
=
BEST COMBO EVER!

Edit
Hurry and update we are on page 6!!OH NO!

 

[KYTON]

I decided that in the next version you will be able to buy items directly from the recipe place

(altough you won't be able to buy the upgrades of swords.....since .... they kinda work different :O)


mmmmm......my favourite builds....mmmmm....lets see


Infernal Contraption (since he is extremely underpowered, so its hard to actually do something with him....)

Meteor
Mortar
Flame Shield (stand next to someone and keep casting spells..... ...They die....)
Hellfire
Flaming Retribution
.....


Rune Blade (since I love his model.....and why not....Int Melee dude? ....and since melee skills rock......he's my fav hero)


Whirlwind Attack (disable and nice ability to spam)
Storm Bolt (slow & stun and nice ability to spam)
Bash (stun)
Thunderclap or Crits (depends on what I feel like)
Avatar (50% chance knockback....ftw....)

(altough for him to really kick ass ....my friends usually take a aura ms build : Endurance & Unholy ....Aura......or you can just by that wand that immobilize people....or if you lost your mind.....the cold staff which stuns ........altough since games last LONG........I tend to go for......well.....)


Nature Revenant: Was my fav untill my friends banned me from playing him....

Moon Beam thing (cast range is imba imba and used to be even more imba.....)
Earth Shield (imba.....stun nearby dudes ...I mean....ftw.....1 vs 1 your like ....yeah...)
Thorny Undergrowth (used to be imba.....now it kinda sucks.....)
Brilliance Aura (is imba with Baccobs Knowledge)
Starfall (used to be even more imba....but with such a low cooldown you spam it....)

Then you buy "baccobs knowledge"....

The idea is.....well you're invulnerable thanks to your ability causing damage taken goes to mana....and once you get a decent mana regen you push and kill the enemies at lvl 16
(his damage taken goes to mana is not less....used to be 95% .....so jea....)

(I like int heroes....since its too easy to play with strenght or agi.....)

 

[FrozenFenrir]

well my build is partly similiar but my build has no sweetness but opness lol
havent lost a single game...cause the most ppl at bnet suck >_>

 

[shadonavan]

Well i honestly dont think anyone in the game is truly under or over powered. its all about what skills you get and how you use them. so what server is everyone on so i can make an account on there and we can play a match?

 

[KYTON]

ummm...I play on a custom server ....since our county's internet SUCK....so I have a 400ms ping when connecting to eroupe.........

war3.co.za

 

[shadonavan]

hurry and update we have been pushed back to page 10!!! OH NO......life isnt worth living if youron page 10......haha j/k but yeah chaos is way back there now!

 

[KYTON]

moan ....I need time to update...and i need ideas

 

[FrozenFenrir]

mmmmm......my favourite builds....mmmmm....lets see


Infernal Contraption (since he is extremely underpowered, so its hard to actually do something with him....)

Meteor
Mortar
Flame Shield (stand next to someone and keep casting spells..... ...They die....)
Hellfire
Flaming Retribution
.....


Rune Blade (since I love his model.....and why not....Int Melee dude? ....and since melee skills rock......he's my fav hero)


Whirlwind Attack (disable and nice ability to spam)
Storm Bolt (slow & stun and nice ability to spam)
Bash (stun)
Thunderclap or Crits (depends on what I feel like)
Avatar (50% chance knockback....ftw....)

(altough for him to really kick ass ....my friends usually take a aura ms build : Endurance & Unholy ....Aura......or you can just by that wand that immobilize people....or if you lost your mind.....the cold staff which stuns ........altough since games last LONG........I tend to go for......well.....)


Nature Revenant: Was my fav untill my friends banned me from playing him....

Moon Beam thing (cast range is imba imba and used to be even more imba.....)
Earth Shield (imba.....stun nearby dudes ...I mean....ftw.....1 vs 1 your like ....yeah...)
Thorny Undergrowth (used to be imba.....now it kinda sucks.....)
Brilliance Aura (is imba with Baccobs Knowledge)
Starfall (used to be even more imba....but with such a low cooldown you spam it....)

Then you buy "baccobs knowledge"....

The idea is.....well you're invulnerable thanks to your ability causing damage taken goes to mana....and once you get a decent mana regen you push and kill the enemies at lvl 16
(his damage taken goes to mana is not less....used to be 95% .....so jea....)

(I like int heroes....since its too easy to play with strenght or agi.....)

some of my favs:


rifleman:
crit
evasion
trueshot aura
increase range(forgot the skill name)
and black rain (or what its name was...)

pretty lame combo if u build that 150dmg+splash item at first...
no not-str hero could ever withstand this in my matches =O


that wisp(forgot the name,sorry)
manashield
brill aura
earth shield
free slot for a counter skill
elemental storm

give him baccobs tomb+ some good hp reg stuff and its kinda almost impossible to kill him...you run around having elemental storm on, raping everything around you, while u can switch your hp/mp when your mana is very low...then you wait a few secs...and there you go again lol

claymore:
stormbolt
endurance aura
crit
bash
avatar

well ye pretty common


ogre:
stormbolt
ferocity
endurance
crit
avatar

give him that hp reg axe and he rapes around like chuck norris lol
if he has also those artifact boots its extremely hard to escape from him...with his 522 ms thanks to ferocity

 

[LordForcystus]

Dear me.

I don't know if you're aware Kyton, but since patch 1.24 came out, CHAOS is now unplayable. Among many other maps.

 

[KYTON]

Ty ....I'll fix it as soon as i can get some free time....please be patient guys....warcraft kinda lost its touch for me....

Edit: How the hell to i get 1.24 to work

 

[KYTON]

If anyone is interested in taking over CH.AOS. ask me.

(especially those who actually posted here and remained loyal to the map.....)