Blocking Missiles

[Kabel]

Hi!

I have some thoughts about ranged units:

1) I want the archers on my map to be able to shoot over units but NOT over trees or doodads. So archers needs a plain field in order to work well.

2) I also want the Glavie Thrower's attack to work like a bowling ball. The Glavie aims and shoots at an enemy unit but the missile strikes the first thing that comes in it's way.

Any ideas how to make this?

 

[darkrider]

use units instead of missiles... if those units are near a tree kill em... if any enemy unit are near the unit... strike that enemy unit via trigger

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Thats some of a system you need. I recommend reading some tutorials before asking a such hard matter.

 

[Avator]

darkrider's way is probably the only way it's possible. It is going to be one hell of a big bunch of triggers, and then I'm not even talking about permanent items, passive abilities, temporary abilities, scrolls and other attack speed enhancements. If I were you I wouldn't do that, since it's not worth the effort unless this is the key-stone to your map. If your map can live without, I suggest you shouldn't do this.

 

[darkrider]

i dont know if that can be so complicated... it might have its flaws... but you can do that generic (very generic) and with a very fast timer... but i dont think he can manage that yet

 

[Avator]

All units have their own attack speed and units can or can not be under effect of a scroll or ability that changes it. It has to be done per unit-type, per ability effected and per buff effected. That's far from generic or you'll get massive flaws, especially in games where the attack speeds widely variate.

PS: If you just attack with an army of quick attackers, you'll get massive lag.

 

[Need_O2]

darkrider's way is probably the only way it's possible.

best way is checking if there are any trees between attacker and attacked unit
and if there are trees you order to stop
this is the best way imo

 

[darkrider]

PS: If you just attack with an army of quick attackers, you'll get massive lag.

thats actually the only problem i cant deal with so far

and you can also check for pathability if you dont want the missiles to go through cliffs

 

[Avator]

best way is checking if there are any trees between attacker and attacked unit
and if there are trees you order to stop
this is the best way imo

That will go against any other trigger that's related to a stop or attack command. If you got 1 of those triggers, they'll trigger a LOT.

 

[Kabel]

Oh.. I did not know this was such a difficult thing to do. But thanks for all answears!

It's not crucial for my map to have those advanced range ideas I have. I just feel that ranged attacks are so basic, just attack and archers auto-hit. You know, I like when missilies becomes a more important factor in combat. In Starcraft, the Lurker has the funniest attack, if you are paying attention you can out-micro a Lurker, but if you don't, your units are torn apart. Same goes with Reavers, if you micro well you can do huge damage.

Two new, more simple questions then:

1) Any ideas how to make archers overall more "fun" to use?

2) The bowlingball missile, is that really really hard to do? Imagine a unit that fires a giant slow missile at an enemy unit and the enemy player responds by sending a unit in the way of the missile, absorbing it's damage. Kinda like dodging a bullet for a friend

If things are really hard to change then I have to accept the fact, but all answears and hints and ideas are welcome!

 

[Avator]

1. What's 'more fun' in your opinion?

2. You can't track a attack projectile. All you can do is make a unit with that model, move it from the caster's position to the target every x seconds (depending on the caster's attack speed) and then you can track it like a unit.

 

[Need_O2]

That will go against any other trigger that's related to a stop or attack command. If you got 1 of those triggers, they'll trigger a LOT.

no...

@Kabel: and making archers unable to shoot on things wont make your map fun
Dont stick on details

 

[Avator]

Yes, it will. Your solution is that when the player orders to attack, you order it to stop. so it will get both the attack and stop order, which will cause any triggers related to that to activate.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Maek custom skillz, liek, for teh archers, for teh pwnage.

(Yah)

 

[Need_O2]

okay then my solution then apply an AI machine like in Half Life 2 or F.E.A.R or Call of Duty or ................................ goes like that

 

[Absense]

For number 2 you can use jass or even triggers to use something like shockwave and edit it and you may be able to work it right Good Luck!

-Absense