Battling Ram Model (castle crashers)

[InfernalTater]

Hey, I'd really appreciate a model for the Battling Ram in Castle Crashers-

It doesn't need to be exact, all I want is a wooden box with a ram skull on the front, and at least one cannon (all 3, if not any trouble). Fire on the ram skull would be nice as well, but not required.
Animations are not quite as important; it would need only a death animations, and the rest of the animations be unmoving, however as long as it isn't too much of a hassle, I'd like it to have attack animations firing each cannon, as well as an animation for spell slam in which the box raises (just as in Castle Crashers), leaving a flat floor on the bottom. These animations are not as essential, however they would be appreciated.
Thanks for reading, and even more thanks to be given for making it!

 

[darkdeathknight]

Use this for now
This would be pretty easy to make, it might have to be Custom texture however as there is no black goat head texture.

 

[InfernalTater]

As I said before, it did not need to look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure there is a goat skull model somewhere on warcraft as part of something. I just don't remember Although, it wouldn't actually need a goat skull texture. Just, shaped like a goat skull and using the same texture as any other bone.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Yeah Im making this by the way, I'll make it to my liking, then change it a bit to be more "Castle Crasher-like"
also, its battering ram, not battling ram, unless it is battling ram in the game

 

[InfernalTater]

Uh, it is a battling ram. Because it doesn't just slam you. It shoots cannons out of its back which land on you. Anyways I edited that battering ram model and I'm using it for now until you're done. Thanks for making the ram. It's a ram ram, cuzz of skull. lol.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Here's a WiP to show you. Tell me if you like it or not.

Dont worry, it will look much better once I put some particle emitters and you see it from Warcraft view.

 

[InfernalTater]

It's looking nice. Only things I have to say are:
1: make the skull flattened against ram
2: make the skull taller, flatter, and thinner
3: Make the cannons bigger
4: All sides should be flat (cept for the flattish goat skull on the front
5: It's a Box. That means 6 sides. You're already using more than that with the bent roof.
6: It has 3 logs underneath it, not 2 wheels on each side.
7: Ram horns curl up twisting, not bending up like \_[o o]_/
8: Spikes on the side should be very small, and wooden.
9: If you haven't played castle crashers, I supposed you might have gotten this mixed up. Unlike most epic battle rams, the flaming goat skull is not on the end of a stick which is pushed out to ram the target. This is a Battling Ram, not a Battering Ram; It can slam, smash, shoot cannons, but it doesnt have a big ramming spike inside of it like a battering ram. The skull is actually simply part of the front wall of the ram.
I do realize this is a WIP, and I'm very satisfied with how it's going so far. Just tipping you on what I want it to end up looking like. Thanks a lot for helping!
Also, on the side note. I checked your sig. Nice UI.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Dude, I'm making this first then Im gonna change it to be more castle crasher like. I said that before. I wanted to make it like this first, because If i made it in the Castle crasher style, Its prolly gonna get rejected.

 

[takakenji]

Dude, I'm making this first then Im gonna change it to be more castle crasher like. I said that before. I wanted to make it like this first, because If i made it in the Castle crasher style, Its prolly gonna get rejected.

and its going to get rejected why?

 

[darkdeathknight]

Well, its gonna be a box, thats the main reason. Also there will have to be no/minimum TC
And I think I have to custom texture the Battling Ram model, is that all right?

 

[InfernalTater]

Uh, dude, I already said I was satisfied with your progess so far, I wasn't mad at you. I understood that you weren't done yet.
I was just giving you a list of things to look out for.
Also, I don't see why you would need custom texture. Use a part of a wooden texture (not hard to find) for the ram, and then wrap a metal texture (not hard to find) onto the skull. You don't need a texture that looks like a ram skull to make a ram skull. Just shape your vertices into a ram skull and apply an in-game texture. I'm looking at the image you uploaded previously and I see all of the needed textures already. Keep in mind, I'm not asking you to make it look cartoonish like Castle Crashers. I do want it to fit into Warcraft III, so the texture you're using look perfectly fine.
Again, thank you for working on it. But, try to avoid using custom textures, I'm already importing several models to make my terrain.
If you end up needing a custom texture, feel free to ask me, I can save you the time. I can draw pretty good, I just don't make models because I don't have the right programs for making/removing vertices. All I have is War3ModelEditor, xD. I use it to make models a lot but not for something like this.
Also, I'd like you to e-mail me the model at [email protected] every now and then so I can have a peek at it, as long as that isn't a hassle.

 

[darkdeathknight]

I wasnt mad eaither, but when I read my comment now it looks like it. I was just stating.
Also I said it might need a custom texture if you want a cartoony texture, but I guess you dont need to.

 

[InfernalTater]

lol, I definately don't want a cartoon texture. I'm sick of all the cartoon models on war3, they don't fit in with the rest. There's no point importing something and taking up file size to make it look LESS realistic. Might as well use in-game textures and have it look better, 2 birds one stone.

 

[darkdeathknight]

But arent the Castle Crasher Models cartoon?

 

[InfernalTater]

Just because the XBOX 360 game is cartoon, doesn't mean I want my game to be cartoon.
The castle crasher models are indeed cartoon, although they do at least have the shading effects of 3-D in their textures, and so they aren't completely plain as cartoon..
There's no point importing textures to make something look less real. It's not as bad for a hero to stand out, but when one unit in an enemy faction is cartoon while the rest are not, it doesn't fit in. Know what I mean?
Anyways, could you gimme a picture or e-mail me the model WIP or something, I'm itching to know how it's going

 

[darkdeathknight]

Okay sure. I've been making a texture (different thing), so no real WiP. Im gonna make a completely new Battling ram that includes the points youve asked. I also need my brother to help me out here and there with animation so I cant really finish it soon. Ill start in the next week or something. The short story comp might also affect finish date too. Anyway I will make it sooner or later, and ill post here when i do.

 

[InfernalTater]

Alright... It looked like the one you had before was just about done, cept for the skull, and some very simple adjustments.
But, okay, I suppose I can wait.
Epic new sig btw.
Edit: Actually, would you just e-mail me the current version so that I can use it for now, until you make the other.

 

[darkdeathknight]

You put out 9 points, I can't really adjust it quickly. I have to change the "hull" and use a different texture, (as now it is gonna be a box), the horns need a new texture (spiral texture) Wheels need a new log texture, etc.
I also cant email the latest as it has no animation remember?
Anyway, Ill start soon.

 

[InfernalTater]

Alrighty. And, you don't really need a log texture for wheels, just any wooden texture with the wheels stretched into logs. Although, there are log textures in war3. Plenty.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Im too lazy to email you so heres a wip

Time for me to sleep.

 

[InfernalTater]

It's looking alright, here's the things I have to point out (I'm sure you know most of them and are working on them, but I'd rather point them out just in case)
1: It needs a better wooden texture
2: The skull mouth should not be present on the front. The skull should be angled in a way that it is looking somewhat downwards, and the jaw is viewed from the side.
3: Your cannons actually looked better on the previous version. (Although they weren't quite right in that version either) The cannons need to be very large, and grey. Not little bright boxes.
4: Log wheels (I'm sure you simply haven't made them yet and plan on making them. Just making sure to remind you)
5: Stretch the head. The snout should extend down across the entire front of the battle ram, while tilted. As seen in the picture.
Side note: I would prefer the horns be spiraled as in the image, and having lines making them distinguishable as ram horns, however the horns are satisfactory the way they are, if you do not want to further work on them.
Thanks for working on it and thanks for giving me the image for your WIP. You actually said you were start the recreation sometime next week. Thanks for working on it so soon.

 

[darkdeathknight]

*I cant spiral the horns because there is no good texture and it would take too much polys.
*I also cant find any wood texture that is stuck together (like bricks).
*It is hard to "sculpt" the goat head to make it look like one properly, no matter what i do modelling-wise, it will not look like a goat head.
Also, I just want to say, if you use too many textures, it actually raises the filesize a fair bit. That's why I tried to limit the amount of textures used.
If you could find textures for the three points I asked, it would make the overall model look better. If you cant, I cant really help you on the texture inquiries.
BTW Yes, I havent put logs yet,

 

[InfernalTater]

You do need to make the skull tilt downward and stretch more, though, as in the image I showed you. Also, you're probably going to have to add more vertices to the head to get it to look like the goat head. As for the wood, it doesn't need to be bricks. As long as it looks like wood.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Im saying I cannot have a big piece of wood as the side texture.

Oh yeah BTW, this is my third restart. If I/you dont like it after this. Ask someone else to do it.

 

[InfernalTater]

dude why do u keep restarting when its looking fine...
and seriously what the hell is that, that's a 2-second drawing not a model
And as for the wood, at least use the wooden texture that you used on the first one, looks more like wood than the one you're using at the moment.

 

[darkdeathknight]

But you said to change most of the textures, and the first one is not even a Castle crasher battering ram (Which I can understand). It doesnt matter now, since the third one has pretty good textures (In my opinion), and it looks alright, except the head, the head is pretty hard to model

 

[InfernalTater]

So, could I see a picture of your third one?

 

[darkdeathknight]

Yeah sure.

 

[InfernalTater]

Aight, it's looking good so far, here are a few things to change:
1: Wooden texture is way too dark
2: Cannons should have smaller circumference near the lower portions.
3: Cannons need to be a bit more grey
The logs underneath are looking good!
I don't quite understand why you've restarted the model so many times, because it's been looking decent every time. Anyways, hope you get the skull made soon, thanks.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Dude, can you ask someone else? I cant make models like this. I cant make something that is exactly the same as the ref pic.
You should ask another modeller who has a lot of time on their hands

 

[InfernalTater]

It doesn't need to be exactly the same, just similar.
If you are giving up, could you at least e-mail me the WIPs you have, so that I can try to finish myself?
Here's some +rep for working on it for so long, thanks.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Which version do you want me to give you?
BTW you need Milkshape to do it.

 

[InfernalTater]

i'd like all 3 of the versions cuzz they each have certain things i like, and i can pull parts from them. and, can you convert those to mdx so that i can work on them plz

 

[darkdeathknight]

Ok then. You dont have to credit me or anything.

 

[InfernalTater]

Alright, thanks. Pastebin link or e-mail please.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Heres two and three. Im gonna make the first one into a custom model so i cant give it to you.

 

[InfernalTater]

Thanks. Mind linking me the first one when it's finished one day, I'd like to see it.

 

[darkdeathknight]

Yeah, if i remember.