Add a server wich enables testing of Maps

[stimmedmarine]

Add a server wich enables testing of Maps, Garena and other battle.net alternatives sucks at this, its impossiple to fx get full footmen frenzy games on Garena. Cant the Hive make a Server so players can test maps here ?

 

[Magtheridon96]

Hive had a server a long time ago, but it stopped working for some reason.
I don't know if anyone's planning on reviving it though.

 

[stimmedmarine]

ok who to talk with for get it reopened ? This Garena sucks, only 225 players room, impossible to get full games ;(

 

[Magtheridon96]

235 players per room actually (Garena Plus)
And there are several thousands of rooms (It caters to >350000 players a day)

 

[stimmedmarine]

its still impossible to get a full game... :/ someone would get rich making a system with room for 500 players in 1 room....

 

[Magtheridon96]

Well, that person wouldn't care about getting rich because he'd need a lot of money in the first place :/
I can get a server and start hosting, but my parents wouldn't let me invest in that ;_;
Plus, the internet here is pretty shitty.

 

[stimmedmarine]

Do you know someone who could have money to do that ?

Or someone else here who read this who could create a server ?

 

[Magtheridon96]

TWIF aka The World Is Fat is your guy.

 

[Deleted member 157129]

I think your issue with not filling games is lack of interest. Hive having its own hosting service for WarCraft III would not help in that regard.

 

[stimmedmarine]

But everyone on Garena agrees that when 100 players out of 225 is afk, and many cant see eachother becouse of tunnel issues etc, and then it leaves maybe only 100 players actualy able to play together, in wich you have to find the same map for players to fill... it would without a doubt be easier to fill games with 500 players than 100... Do you even play on Garena or just just guessing how it is ?

 

[Deleted member 157129]

I stopped playing on Garena several years ago, but I do know the rooms are capped at roughly 250 players and that WarCraft III games tend to have 8 - 12 players per game. Thus, you should be able to fill a minimum of 20 games with one room if all players were present. Of course, this is hardly ever the case, and each room often only has ten games running. When I played on Garena, I played DotA, and the games filled within a few seconds most of the time. Hence why I'm assuming that your issue is lack of interest rather than lack of people. I doubt 90% of the players in your room are AFK all the time, and if they are, go to a different room.

 

[stimmedmarine]

Im not talking about playing dota on Garena, in that case Garena is fine, since its only 1 factor connection people. in the RPG rooms there are many different players with different intention on what game to play, that comes out in a bad result when theres only 100 players, playing games on different time intervals. You know what i mean .

The case is that Garena should make more channels indicating what map should be played in the room. Fx a Footmen Frenzy room would be a good idea etc. Then all footmen players can gather in 1 room and play full games. But it is not possible to get the TOP admins in Garena to make theese rooms, why i dont know, i have been in contact with 3-4 admins all telling me that there talking with there high admins, but northing has happend, and none of them are replying to me anymore, + there forums is northing but bot spamming.

THE DEMAND IS THERE, THE PLAYERS ARE THERE, but Garena has failed the niche players, and i see alot of interrest from players if niche games were appriceated more. Even though Footmen Frenzy is not a small game, i would not even call it a niche. Garena do have Tower Defence rooms, 5 of them! But only 1 is full... Why not convert those 4 empty tower defence rooms to other maps, like Footmen and others....

"To change the inner person, you have to change the outer bounderies" Some sociolog said this, cant remember his name atm

Garena do not focus on niche games, RPG games etc. They do not care about what members are asking or wishing....

Conclusion:

Making a site/server wich focus on niche games, like Footmen Frenzy, Arena, RPG maps etc.... ATM small player base ? Reason: No good community or abilitie to actualy play theese "niche games".

 

[Deleted member 157129]

There's lots of Footmen Frenzy hosting bots on Battle.net, and various arenas and RPGs as well. Maybe you should try there instead. I can't see Hive investing in servers for a game that is nearing obsoleteness.

 

[stimmedmarine]

Its pretty hard to play a game your created yourself on battle.net... only known and old bots gets full games...

Im talking about beeing able to create any kind of map and getting players to play it... So it wont be that 1% of all maps created in Warcraft 3 wich are played, as it is now.

The same problem that SC2 has...

 

[Deleted member 157129]

You can't force people to play your map. Besides, that puts us back to lack of interest, which I've been trying to tell you all along. A new server won't change the opinion of the players.

 

[stimmedmarine]

If you never play something new you will never get the interrest in the new maps/ideas.... Theres a reason why Blizzard them self has accepted the failure of the SC2 Costum map system....

And even known maps on Garena are never full....

 

[Kercyn]

And if Hive launches a W3 server dedicated to host custom games, people will get interested. I see...

 

[stimmedmarine]

OFC they will, you wont find 1 person on the RPG channels in Garena who likes the current system.... So why would people not leave that and go to a better system ?

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

I think your issue with not filling games is lack of interest. Hive having its own hosting service for WarCraft III would not help in that regard.

Precisely. Obviously what makes a map more played isn't the super-duper spells and effects and complexity of triggers but the nature of the map, e.g some fun maps or Aos type maps rather than RPG etc. No player cares how much more difficult scripts you used than Dota's lol.

 

[Magtheridon96]

No player cares how much more difficult scripts you used than Dota's lol.

And that's exactly why I suck.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The problem is hosting is not free and the development of a fair bot that can not be abused for site use is difficult.

Firstly the server resources to run a bot will need to be found. Putting it on the same server that hosts THW would work but might degrade website performance so may or may not be viable.

Next a system to allow the fair choosal of maps to play would need to be created. It needs to work on a time tabling system allowing people to book hosting slots convenient to them. Secondary hosting slots can be used for generic maps where the author does not want to play in them. Reservations are limited to only a couple per account per week and the person would have to be atleast a year old or be approved to use the bot (to stop multi account exploiting). Additionally only 1 session of a map can be timetabled at any time (to stop friends ganging the timetable full of the same map). Blank slots will be allocated to a random map from a pool of maps people want to have hosted. The random map pool is cleared regually.

The bot itself needs various limits. Games should not last longer than 2 hours (for timetabling). Lobby time can not exceede 15 minutes. Excessive network traffic should result in the source being disconnected.

 

[stimmedmarine]

what are you talking about ?

We dont want any bots hosting any games, never.

 

[Dr Super Good]

THW will never host a custom server. We are more likly to host a bot than a custom server.

 

[stimmedmarine]

And that bot would able me to play my maps on battle.net, using the hives bot ?

 

[Bribe]

There's lots of Footmen Frenzy hosting bots on Battle.net, and various arenas and RPGs as well. Maybe you should try there instead. I can't see Hive investing in servers for a game that is nearing obsoleteness.

Don't spread this propaganda here.

Wonder how much it would cost for a virtual server that people can pay monthly for? If we open up a donation bucket for something like a sever to cater to the Hive community, I can't imagine something like that costing more than 300 per month.

Obviously geography is important, it would probably need to be in Europe, because that's where most of our users seem to be.

 

[Dr Super Good]

You can connect host bots to all battle.net servers as well as all private servers at the same time (all of which use the lattest patch obviously).

 

[stimmedmarine]

Support a Footmen Frenzy room on Garena:
http://fairplay.garena.com/showthre...e-Warcraft-3-TFT&p=976001&posted=1#post976001

 

[Rui]

I once suggested that we implement something like GArena on our website, but Ralle said the servers would probably hang — and yes, I asked him during the times on which Ghan and Samuraid had to come here to rescue the Hive every once in a while because the servers were failing to comply to the large activity we had at the time.
Perhaps now, that we're less active, the possibility has presented itself again. Although, the server probably are not able to handle something of the nature of Battle.Net, so we'd be limited to only a few games; which, for map testing purposes, is enough.

 

[Vengeancekael]

I once suggested that we implement something like GArena on our website, but Ralle said the servers would probably hang — and yes, I asked him during the times on which Ghan and Samuraid had to come here to rescue the Hive every once in a while because the servers were failing to comply to the large activity we had at the time.
Perhaps now, that we're less active, the possibility has presented itself again. Although, the server probably are not able to handle something of the nature of Battle.Net, so we'd be limited to only a few games; which, for map testing purposes, is enough.

Great idea! I would actually play multiplayer again :3 Also I suspect that the hive had such a system before, because when you're moderating a map, (OSH- MODERATOR EXCLUSIVE) there's "Host with THW" next to the map title.

 

[Rui]

To be more specific, Ralle upgraded the servers a lot, it's just that our recent activity statistics show that the investment was not worth it — not in the long run, because our activity is lower now.
And by being limited to only a few games, I meant being limited to 1 game at all times; it's enough for our Map Moderators to hold testing sessions or for OffGraphic and his public arranged games.

Having read your Garena posts, I must admit that your resemblance with... another Hive member is astounding!

I don't mean to sound rude, but it's been noticed. Don't spam.

 

[stimmedmarine]

Anything like Garena or even more simple with a more categori way of making rooms on would make it a 10x better system than the current Garena system has. It would be filled very fast im 100% sure about that! I got tons of friends who left warcraft becouse of the fall of Battle.net and bots taking over.

 

[Bribe]

I would pay €€ to have a service where I could compile a JASS script through a psuedo-VM. The ability to make functional scripts for people on the fly would be outstanding.

 

[stimmedmarine]

Then what are we waiting on ? Does anyone here know how to make a server ?

 

[Kercyn]

Then what are we waiting on ? Does anyone here know how to make a server ?

He doesn't mean a server! Read Bribe's post again. He means a service that would allow people to test JASS scripts on the fly, without having to write them down and import them into WE.

 

[Dr Super Good]

He means a service that would allow people to test JASS scripts on the fly

He will need to define it more clearly. The problem is JASS is heavilly coupled to the WC3 game engine so even a moderately detailed simulation will likly be untrue to the real game.

 

[Bribe]

To be more precise, it would be for someone to send his code to the server, for the server to fire up JassHelper via command-line, compile the sent string, and return any syntax errors to the user.

 

[Rui]

That'd be awesome, and I bet it can be done much more easily than setting up a game service.

 

[Bribe]

To moderate the activity on the server, it could be that you can only send 1 compile request per minute. That's plenty of time. Could even do it once ever 5-10 minutes.

 

[Magtheridon96]

That'd be really awesome
This could also help make it much more convenient for vJass coders to embrace new updates to the current JassHelper (Like cohadar's)

 

[Asomath]

Hive Class Project?

~Asomath

 

[Dr Super Good]

Or someone could just make a stand alone executable to do that... No need for us to compile it when their computer can do so without any problems.

 

[Bribe]

A standalone executable defeats the purpose of doing it on the fly. These days a lot of people are using their phone or an alternate computer from their main one. You can't install something like that to run off a phone, and it's rude to install a program on someone else's computer (and often not possible). Also, Macs can't run .exe files.

 

[Dr Super Good]

You can't install something like that to run off a phone

You can, it is called an "app" and both apple and google OS support them.

and it's rude to install a program on someone else's computer

You need to install something like this? It is just an executable you would run when you want to use it. Just like you do not have to install emulators (ones with installers are often for convenience to supply all plugins).

Also, Macs can't run .exe files.

I never said they could but this is hardly a problem seeing how mac computers have their own equivelent of an executable program file.

You could even compile it to run on linux based systems.

 

[Ralle]

I believe there already exist third party JASS parsers. I would happily set up an interface for people to enter JASS and see if it parses.
If anyone can get any of it to work headless (no UI) in Linux, I would be happy to set it up.

Also a game hosting service would be nice. I would need some CD key sets though.

 

[Bribe]

Most non-Windows guys use WINE to compile JassHelper, which is also what Vexorian was using, but JassHelper is completely command-line oriented with the add-on of using JNGP as an interface. You don't need JNGP for JassHelper.

http://www.wc3c.net/vexorian/jasshelpermanual.html#usagnewg - under the category of "Command Line", explains most stuff. Ideally a server would be the most optimal by using the command line "--scriptonly".

 

[Magtheridon96]

I support this idea ... vehemently >:O
The other day, I was running Mac OS X and I had to go into the chat just to ask someone to list the compile errors in my script!
-Kobas- (An awesome friend) was happy to do it

With an online vJass parser, I'd never have to bother anyone with stuff like this again ^-^

 

[Dr Super Good]

You are aware that jasshelper does come with a command line tool apparently? Infact the JNGP interface for it appeared to be a wrapper for the commandline tool's functionality roughly

 

[Ralle]

But none of you have it running in Linux yet? It shouldn't be to hard to do.

 

[Bribe]

I'm nagging my wife because I want to get a Linux computer. Maybe next month, perhaps. I will see if I can get JH to run standalone with it, but really it's supposed to be command-line, and the JassHelper manual is documented to support it, as I illustrated yesterday: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/2095169-post45.html.

From post 9 in the following link, there is some discussion about it: http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php/155761-Starting-JASS

 

[Dr Super Good]

I think it just needs a recompile as I do not see the commandline front needing to use many OS functions.