Would this way of making MUI spells with waits work?

[Billy the Cat]

I was thinking of this little trick, but I don't know if it is possible:

- Make a dummy unit with a negative health regeneration.
- When the dummy unit is killed it starts the effect.

I could test this and will, but I want to know what others think about this trick and I don't know if it is possible to use it. It could be of a good use for others too if possible.

 

[ap0calypse]

I have no idea to be honest o.o and now I want to find out, it seems like a good idea...
Maybe you'll face some unexpected troubles, but it's worth a shot

 

[Billy the Cat]

Little things I am worried about:
- Can Invulnerable units be damaged this way.
- Does dying to negative health regeneration count as being killed?

I have never heard of the trick, but maybe nobody ever tought of it ;P

 

[ap0calypse]

- Can Invulnerable units be damaged this way.

I don't know, why use invulnerable units, try locusts as dummies ^^

- Does dying to negative health regeneration count as being killed?

I think it counts as a death, a phoenix revives after dying, right? :s

I've never heard of it either, I think you're the first

 

[Billy the Cat]

I don't know, why use invulnerable units, try locusts as dummies ^^

Can't units with Locust be killed by non-targeted spells and other area effects? I would usually give them Invulnerable and Locust.

 

[ap0calypse]

Can't units with Locust be killed by non-targeted spells and other area effects? I would usually give them Invulnerable and Locust.

You can... give the locust a lot of HP and a high Degen, so if a spell deals let's say about 1k damage, it wouldn't affect the dummy-timer a lot :s
I haven't tried this either, so I wouldn't know

 

[Billy the Cat]

First thing: negative health regeneration does work on Invulnerable units
Time to continue testing

 

[Alpha 100 F]

What about expiration timers? They kill the Unit after a fixed duration. Should work even better than negative health-regen. I sometimes use dying dummys and i always kill them this way.

 

[Martin Barbov]

Yes, alpha 100 f is right. It should work well with expiration timer. I have used this trick and it indeed helps with the MUI.

 

[dansaDisco]

• MUI wait
  • Events
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Create 1 Footman for Player 1 (Red) at (Center of (Playable map area)) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Set WaitDummy[1] = (Last created unit)
    • Countdown Timer - Start DummyDeathTimer as a One-shot timer that will expire in 3.00 seconds
    • Wait until ((WaitDummy[1] is dead) Equal to True), checking every 0.10 seconds
    • -------- Your Actions --------

• blah
  • Events
    • Time - DummyDeathTimer expires
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Kill WaitDummy[1]

Something like this would work better I guess?
*note that it's a 1 min code and isn't made to work in MUI yet, the array would have to use some integer like playernumber then, but I believe you can sort that out yourself ^^*

 

[ap0calypse]

the array would have to use some integer like playernumber then, but I believe you can sort that out yourself ^^*

That would be MPI then, MUI needs another array.

I've once heard that expiration timers were inaccurate, so this might be worth checking anyway.

 

[dansaDisco]

That would be MPI then, MUI needs another array.

I've once heard that expiration timers were inaccurate, so this might be worth checking anyway.

Yeah, you're correct. A looping real would be better I suppose (If you know how to make that. (It's what I use for most of the time, simply cause I don't know any better way to make an array 100% MUI in GUI ^^)

 

[Restor]

Well, your idea will not work as it is now.


But however I thought little bit and I think I find a way to make it MUI (it works only for one wait, if there will be more wait, accumulate this system)

• casting
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Starts the effect of an ability
  • Conditions
    • (Ability being cast) Equal to Holy Light
  • Actions
    • Unit - Create 1 DUMMY for Player 1 (Red) at (Center of (Playable map area)) facing Default building facing degrees
    • Unit - Add a 5.00 second Generic expiration timer to (Last created unit)
    • Set dummy[(array_index + 1)] = (Last created unit)
    • Set position_of_caster[(array_index + 1)] = (Position of (Casting unit))
    • Set position_of_target[(array_index + 1)] = (Position of (Target unit of ability being cast))
    • Set array_index = (array_index + 1)

• finishing
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Dies
  • Conditions
    • (Unit-type of (Dying unit)) Equal to Footman
  • Actions
    • Unit Group - Add (Dying unit) to GROUP
    • For each (Integer A) from 1 to 8192, do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • (dummy[(Integer A)] is in GROUP) Equal to True
          • Then - Actions
            • Special Effect - Create a special effect at position_of_caster[(Integer A)] using Abilities\Spells\Orc\FeralSpirit\feralspiritdone.mdl
            • Special Effect - Create a special effect at position_of_target[(Integer A)] using Abilities\Spells\Orc\FeralSpirit\feralspiritdone.mdl
            • Game - Display to (All players) the text: IT WORKS!!!
            • Unit Group - Remove (Dying unit) from GROUP
          • Else - Actions

I think it is MUI, of course Leaks&things must be cleared

 

[Billy the Cat]

I thought expiration timers didn't count for killing a unit. My mistake
I know there were other ways to do this, but I wanted to do it without the need for timers.

 

[Restor]

why without expiration timers?


You can make it with negative health regen value also, that is not important. It will work anyway

 

[Billy the Cat]

Mwah if expiration timers work they might be easier (sometimes).
I made a little test map that I could post here later that shows you a little MUI test spell with timed effects made this way

I just didn't know expiration timers also were counted when a unit got killed. I thought the units were removed instead when expiration time was over.

 

[Restor]

I tested it again, it is full MUI, I just advise to use variables Caster=casting unit and Target=target unti of ability being cast in the first trigger, and in second trigger "create special effect on position of CASTER/TARGET)


No need to thank me