What I'd like to see:

[D.I.Y Death]

I'd like to see more strict enforcement of the flaming rule which Ive noticed usually is ignored. I'd also like to see it elaborated upon to limit mod interpretation. Good example would be you can say "stop acting like an idiot" but you can't say "you're an idiot".

Whats your thoughts on this?

P.S. don't post troll comments. Yes I'm talking to THAT group of people. When you inevitably read this either post your valid and on topic opinion or don't post at all. Thanks in advance.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Use the

Whenever you see such comment.

Also: Ike_Ike vs TheBlooddancer: I got neg-repped for deaththreadening.

 

[D.I.Y Death]

I do. Sometimes it gets taken care of and sometimes it doesn't. Hence why I think the rule should be more strict with a more clear definition of the rule to remove any wiggle room and make the judgment call easier for mods.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Tru dat.
Also to mention, ike_ike had nothing. Not even a warning, for trolling/spamming in my forum.
Also, he was posting invalid facts. I said that this isnt not art, and i didnt know why Ash asked it to be moved.

 

[Arvedui]

Actually in the latest thread, the Diablo 2 one, I reported, and I read that you did it too, and Elenai did doll out neg rep for that.

If he (or someone else) didn't do it, I was going to post in admin contact. But, instead of posting I just reported, which is what I usually do.

 

[D.I.Y Death]

Actually in the latest thread, the Diablo 2 one, I reported, and I read that you did it too, and Elenai did doll out neg rep for that.

If he (or someone else) didn't do it, I was going to post in admin contact. But, instead of posting I just reported, which is what I usually do.

You're a better person than I am then hehe. Good to know others don't tolerate that garbage as well though. Regardless of that instance do you think a more clear definition with a set punishment would be an improvement or a totally unneeded clarification?

 

[Arvedui]

Well, there is a clear definition of what flaming/trolling is and depending on the severity you get neg rep and/or an infraction.

Some moderators do it too much, not enough, for dumb reasons, or for bad reasons. That isn't going to change, ever, even if you did a complete reworking of the staff.
The only real problem is with the execution of those rules. Some moderators/admins completely ignore posts by their friends or ones that make them "lul" even if they're complete troll/flame posts.

But all in all, most of the moderators/admins do their jobs and do it well. I know I was upset by 1-2 choices for moderators (and I know others were as well) but unless those people completely screw up you are (we're) going to have to live with it.

But generally, if you have a problem with someone or something (I don't mean this thread, I mean other threads), it's best to go to admin contact and talk to them and try to get it resolved, instead of doing it in public where it's plausible/probable that you'll get the negrep/infraction when you could do it in private and actually do some good.

 

[LiOneSS]

DIY death, you make too many whine threads.

 

[HappyTauren]

DIY death, you make too many whine threads.

Seconded.

GTFO you faggot. Hmm, you are a whiner Don't do this please! Well, didn't mean to say it that offensive, but you are seriously whining too much. Also, you know there is admin contact?

 

[D.I.Y Death]

Well, there is a clear definition of what flaming/trolling is and depending on the severity you get neg rep and/or an infraction.

Some moderators do it too much, not enough, for dumb reasons, or for bad reasons. That isn't going to change, ever, even if you did a complete reworking of the staff.
The only real problem is with the execution of those rules. Some moderators/admins completely ignore posts by their friends or ones that make them "lul" even if they're complete troll/flame posts.

But all in all, most of the moderators/admins do their jobs and do it well. I know I was upset by 1-2 choices for moderators (and I know others were as well) but unless those people completely screw up you are (we're) going to have to live with it.

But generally, if you have a problem with someone or something (I don't mean this thread, I mean other threads), it's best to go to admin contact and talk to them and try to get it resolved, instead of doing it in public where it's plausible/probable that you'll get the negrep/infraction when you could do it in private and actually do some good.

Other than one certain mod I don't think Ive ever seen a mod blatantly ignore rules for the "lulz". I'd even go as far as saying that 99% of the administration is fair and effective on this site. I still believe the rule could benefit from more strict punishment and the definition could be spelled out for the users who happen to be a fan of the velcro shoe. There's no reason to ever start flaming another user unless they've decided to start calling you racist because you've compared them to a monkey flinging poo. (Don't laugh it's happened to me before)

 

[Rising_Dusk]

If you don't think a specific moderator is doing their job adequately and effectively, please report them in the admin contact forum. If you're concerned with the staff in general, which you appear to be, then know that I am taking steps on my own accord to tighten up on the rules across the site. It's difficult, though, since I can't tell people how to act and by no means does 99% of the staff ever agree with me on everything.

I can't give a time frame, nor can I give a resolute answer as to how it will be dealt with. All I can say is that I'm working on it.

 

[LiOneSS]

DIY death, you just make these troll threads to get the drama up
There is an admin contact for a reason dude :/

 

[Elenai]

I will soon enact a tighter watch upon users who are reported, and users who will be reported. And included in this watch will be more neg rep dealt out to troublesome users.

Now that infractions are only two points to a ban, the neg rep is now finally a fierce warning.

As for moderators, I am not entirely sure where my bounds lie. Who I can punish, if punishment is needed.

Though to answer some of DIY's questions concerning moderator punishment (if he has them) that is usually where the Directors come in.

Moderators punishing their fellows is usually looked down upon (as of now) but I will begin addressing this issue with my fellow compatriots.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

DIY death, you just make these troll threads to get the drama up
There is an admin contact for a reason dude :/

He's being more reasonable right now, at least.

Really, this is the way the forum has been for a long time, but it's nowhere near catastrophic. People are more or less reasonable, and of course the staff is not perfect, but major flaming never happens for no reason. If there is a really pointless argument, reporting it usually works.

I suggest Mods/Admins start "pruning" threads, something that is done on other boards (some very stable and intelligent ones I might add). Basically, what that is is just a way of removing pointless arguments from threads, and keeping fires down. It works.

Also, I'm still against the very existence of the rep system, which I think causes more trouble than it adds value to these boards. I think it's actually more or less (mostly less) the cause of a lot of these problems, but it's been discussed before and it's not leaving yet.

 

[~Void~]

Tru dat.
Also to mention, ike_ike had nothing. Not even a warning, for trolling/spamming in my forum.
Also, he was posting invalid facts. I said that this isnt not art, and i didnt know why Ash asked it to be moved.

This isn't about ike_ike, he's a dotard anyways. (omfg. dotard is actually a word according to firefox!)

Besides, there will always be idiots we just need to figure out how to deal with them, and since most spammers don't tend to care about their rep and wear their infractions like purple hearts, well, we need something more "influential". We could enlist the help of the mafia

 

[En_Fuego]

I find it funny that the point of all these threads that DIY Death makes are to restrict the powers that mods (or apparently Brad, because he's the only mod that "fails" according to DIY Death) have.

If you want to restrict their power, just do it. You don't have to make 5 threads where all you do is essentially bait us into flaming you.

Wait, nevermind. One of those 5 threads was you calling us all sycophants.

 

[Elenai]

Stay on topic...This thread will NOT devolve into a fight. Please don't bring up the past En Fuego, that will only trigger another thread derailing.

And if I see any posts after this that is inflammatory...I'll dish out a hot plate of punishment. (a precautionary warning)

 

[ike_ike]

Tru dat.
Also to mention, ike_ike had nothing. Not even a warning, for trolling/spamming in my forum.
Also, he was posting invalid facts. I said that this isnt not art, and i didnt know why Ash asked it to be moved.

A few things ...

'tis not your forum. It's a thread.
'tis not spamming. It had a purpose, that being to dissuade people from worshipping the power of a generator.

...

'this isnt not art'

Uh. Double negative?

Also, the next time you invoke the name of ike_ike ... remember, kiddies, there are no capital 'i's. And never, ever talk about me behind my back again, yes?

 

[brad.dude03]

Stay on topic...This thread will NOT devolve into a fight. Please don't bring up the past En Fuego, that will only trigger another thread derailing.

And if I see any posts after this that is inflammatory...I'll dish out a hot plate of punishment. (a precautionary warning)

I don't see how it's bringing up the past when DIY Death has made quite clear in this thread that he is not pleased at all with my performance.

The great thing about it is that I couldn't give a fuck!

As for the rules, there really is no ambiguity, though everything is circumstantial. You can't have solid rules because they can't apply to every possible situation. It's up to the individual mod's discretion to decide how to fairly dole out punishment.

If you don't like it, we have an Admin Contact forum for specifically that purpose. There's a lot less drama when you post there instead of starting shit in Site Discussion all the time.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I don't see how it's bringing up the past when DIY Death has made quite clear in this thread that he is not pleased at all with my performance.

The great thing about it is that I couldn't give a fuck!

As for the rules, there really is no ambiguity, though everything is circumstantial. You can't have solid rules because they can't apply to every possible situation. It's up to the individual mod's discretion to decide how to fairly dole out punishment.

If you don't like it, we have an Admin Contact forum for specifically that purpose. There's a lot less drama when you post there instead of starting shit in Site Discussion all the time.

Makes sense, as long as the admin contact section is actually checked (I'm pretty sure it is, though).

But you do need to start caring Brad.

 

[SuPa-]

This isn't about ike_ike, he's a dotard anyways. (omfg. dotard is actually a word according to firefox!)

Pardon my digression, but dotard is a real word =P

Anywho, yes, moderators punish users at their own discretion, and use the rules as their basis. And if a moderator isn't doing his job correctly, you make a thread in admin contact or PM a director, I'd imagine

 

[PurplePoot]

Its definition is strangely fitting.

Anyhow, WILL, brad needs to care sometimes, yes, but not every time someone whines.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Anyhow, WILL, brad needs to care sometimes, yes, but not every time someone whines.

There's a difference between caring and being a dignified and respectful member of the community.

 

[~Void~]

If you don't like it, we have an Admin Contact forum for specifically that purpose. There's a lot less drama when you post there instead of starting shit in Site Discussion all the time.

Sometimes it's good to talk to just the admins but sometimes it's better to get the community's opinions on it as well, because after all they are the ones that matter the most.

Topics like this are better for site discussion imo.

 

[En_Fuego]

Discussing whether or not moderators should have less power depending on whether or not Brad is a bad one?

Sounds more like Admin Discussion to me.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I don't like that this topic has turned into people making accusations of brad. He is not a poor moderator, he has a poor attitude. There's a distinct difference, and persecuting him over this in public is poor form. I'm voting for this to be locked now.

 

[brad.dude03]

A poor attitude? It's served me well through life so far, on these forums and off

You know, it seems that a lot of people feel a lot of animosity toward me. I'd like to make a thread where people could just complain about me all they want, to get it out in the open.

I think I'll do that. Unless anyone has anything else to contribute to this thread, I'll be locking it soon.

 

[Archian]

I think that's enough. Thread Closed.