Weird Model Problem

[wingednosering]

This problem is hard to explain, but I'll do my best. I've made a wheel model for one of my heroes to throw. I made it the missile for carrion swarm.

When he throws it into the middle of nowhere it's fine, but if he hits somebody or even comes close to hitting somebody the model attaches itself to either him, a nearby unit, or the unit that was hit temporarily. I'm pretty sure the model is doing something because I don't have this problem with any of the other carrion swarm moves I have made.

I'm also pretty sure it's the model because if I try to put a unit on the map with that model file, it says it can't find the file.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Kitabatake]

Hmm I remember once downloading some new footman model from this site, and when the footman died in-game, the model parts attached to a nearby crab. I think it's the same thing, but I don't know what causes it...

 

[wingednosering]

Yes, I believe this problem occurs alot. I've heard of it many times, but have no idea how to fix it .

 

[wingednosering]

Hi guys, just refreshing. It's been several days now and I still haven't been able to fix it.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Mecheon]

Ok... This'll be guesswork, but I guess the wheels die when they hit the opponent? I'm not too sure what's going on with that

The Footman bug is a clearcut case of geosetanims. I can't remember them off by heart, but there's a part of the mdl that deals with the visibility of geosets in certain animations, and has the timing of where it is visible and invisible

I haven't poked them for a while so that's probably a very bad example...

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

When he throws it into the middle of nowhere it's fine, but if he hits somebody or even comes close to hitting somebody the model attaches itself to either him, a nearby unit, or the unit that was hit temporarily. I'm pretty sure the model is doing something because I don't have this problem with any of the other carrion swarm moves I have made.

Unassigned vertices or misassigned matrices.

Check each geoset's "vertexgroups" section for "-1" values; they're unassigned and thus dangerous.

Also check that all the geoset matrices are all pointing at BONES. Only bones can have geometry attached to them.

If either of these problems is present, then the game will attach the geometry at random to anything nearby that provides anchorage.

 

[wingednosering]

Alright guys, I'm the biggest noob in the world at modelling, so I need some help...I understand that I'm looking for -1 values, but where? Models have a lot of writing in them, and chances are, they also have a lot of negative numbers.

What part of the mdl should I edit?

[Edit]: Ok, I found the vertexgroup spots and they were all zero. Not a single -1. How do I check to make sure the models are 'pointing at the bones'?

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Matrices section.

	Groups 11 11 {
		Matrices { 0 },
		Matrices { 1 },
		Matrices { 2 },
		Matrices { 3 },
		Matrices { 4 },
		Matrices { 5 },
		Matrices { 6 },
		Matrices { 7 },
		Matrices { 8 },
		Matrices { 9 },
		Matrices { 10 },
	}

The number in each of the matrices is the number of an object within the model; ie, something that has an objectID and an associated pivot point. If any of the objects associated with these IDs are not bones, then change them to objectIDs that are for bones.

 

[wingednosering]

Ok, thank you. I will try this immediately.

[Edit]: They all seem to be assigned to bones...Could it be anything else?

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Well, those two eventualities are the only things that can cause the issue you're apparently describing; I suspect you should post the model and let us see for ourselves.

 

[wingednosering]

Ok, how can I attach it to this thread? The site is still having trouble I think, so uploading won't work.

I'll take another look at the matrices again. If it doesn't work how can I get the model to you?

[Edit]: I double checked the matrices and vertex groups but I still can't find the problem.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

Well, from the way you described the problem, that's the only things that I know of that could cause it.

http://www.wc3campaigns.net/forumdisplay.php?f=447

Post in the WC3C MDL editing area and we can continue this discussion there. They have facilities for attaching files to posts.

 

[wingednosering]

Ok, sorry I went to bed and missed your reply. I've posted it in the mdl editing section at WC3C. Titled Weird Model Problem. My username on there has no 'e's so its wingdnosring, in case you search by name.

 

[Rao Dao Zao]

In the MDL Editing Section, I see all.

Being the moderator.