Warhammer Reign of Terror v3.9b

[RiotZ]

Lmao, okay I'll definitely need to fix that.

Right now I'm compressing the hell out of the map in preparation for the next race, which is looking like High Elves.

I'm going to let the poll run for a little bit longer, two days max. I could start the third race as soon as today.

Update: I dropped the map size quite a bit, and fixed that unlimited Chaos Lord exploit.

 

[RiotZ]

I have begun work on High Elves, this poll will be closed, and reopened later if I still have room for a 4th race, it will be between the final 3, Greenskins, Dwarves or Vampire Counts.

 

[ResidentV]

lammmmme it shouldve been the vampire counts D:...
not that im active or anything.

 

[RiotZ]

lammmmme it shouldve been the vampire counts D:...
not that im active or anything.

Rofl, I was between Counts and Elves, because I have good ideas for their mechanics. I will try extra hard to save the space for Counts.

 

[GaAg0]

Great

 

[Vlad727]

Could you maybe do darkelves and dwarves to?, then you can have awesome battle between darkelves and highelves, or between dwarven and greenskins.

I mean those are some of the classic battles so why not right?

I love this map, I love Warhammer.
Keep up the great work and please don't stop

 

[RiotZ]

Could you maybe do darkelves and dwarves to?, then you can have awesome battle between darkelves and highelves, or between dwarven and greenskins.

I mean those are some of the classic battles so why not right?

I love this map, I love Warhammer.
Keep up the great work and please don't stop

I wish I could do all of the following, but unfortunately there's only room for 3-4, and I don't have any models for some of them.

Dwarves
Vampire Counts
Greenskins
High Elves
Dark Elves
Lizardmen
Skaven

Speaking of which, I've got some model requests for anyone who is willing to help me with this map.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Actually, looking up Lizardman in the models section gives at least six useable models (granted, one's an archer instead of a blowgunner). Call a Thunder Lizard a Stegodon and Snap Dragons Razordons and you have your heavies.

 

[RiotZ]

Not enough room. If I did a campaign I'd try and compile as many of them as possible.

But in an 8MB limit I can only do 3-4.

I wish Blizzard would up it to 12MB.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Maybe you could make the same map with the unused races?

 

[RiotZ]

Maybe you could make the same map with the unused races?

I actually thought of doing this. But then it would only be certain racial match ups, which I suppose wouldn't be terrible.

Dark Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves, Dwarves < War of the Beard

Chaos, Empire, Bretonnia, < Storm of Chaos

Etc.

But for now I'm just going to try and squeeze four races into this baby.

 

[RiotZ]

I uploaded a preview of the new High Elves. They're coming along fairly nicely.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4393/whrot08.jpg

Edit: I need some ideas for abilities as well as intuitive ideas on upgrading your squads during the game. I really wanted to make a way for squads to have musicians, but couldn't think of anything good.

Update: High Elves are out, they're not entirely finished, as they're missing 1-2 buildings, and 2-3 units, but I feel I've kept you waiting long enough, I'm sure there are going to be lots of bugs/balance problems, so post them when you encounter them.

It is also very likely I am going to have enough room for a 4th race.

 

[RiotZ]

There are serious bugs being fixed, and this map will be updated to 2.8b when they are done being fixed.

Do not download this version, it is unplayable.

Edit: All glitches fixed, new version uploaded, you can now combine 2 squads by controlling one and right clicking the leader of another of the same type, so long as they will not exceed 12 members overall.

 

[cleavinghammer]

High Elf builders can't handle sequential orders given too quickly.
Great Eagle has no abilities or attack.
Bolt Thrower has the Great Cannon tooltip.
Selection circle on the Bolt Thrower is too small.
Archmage has the Swordmaster tooltip.
Shadow Warriors can't switch back to ranged after going to melee.
Silver Helms and Spearmen have the Shadow Warrior tooltip at the end of their own description.

Gutter Runners are called teams even though there's only one.
Selection circle on the mammoth and GUO is too small.
Horrors still use the Bloodletter tooltip.

The Phalanx Stance description is the same for turning it on/off.
Outrider helmets float above their heads.
Engineer and Laborers have no portraits.

Regarding portraits, very few are correctly centered (sometimes the camera is miles away and underneath, sometimes only half a face is visible...), and as the attachments (weapons, helmets...) don't show up they all look the same (Mounted Chaos Lord has the same face as a Rider has the same face as a Dragonlord, etc). Especially jarring for the elves.

And if I may give suggestions:
Use a golem as the earth elemental and give the Archmage a staff.
Use something other than "team" for the swordmasters.
Use a different model for the Dragonlord.
Remove swords/bows when Shadow Warriors are in ranged/melee.
Doom Sirens don't make a very impressive sound, use something like a Spirit Tower's sound.
Maybe add a dustcloud on un/packing trebuchets to show they're not sitting there.

As far as I can tell, the alternate reinforcement system works just fine (except on artillery, fortunately).

 

[RiotZ]

High Elf builders can't handle sequential orders given too quickly.
Great Eagle has no abilities or attack.
Bolt Thrower has the Great Cannon tooltip.
Selection circle on the Bolt Thrower is too small.
Archmage has the Swordmaster tooltip.
Shadow Warriors can't switch back to ranged after going to melee.
Silver Helms and Spearmen have the Shadow Warrior tooltip at the end of their own description.

Gutter Runners are called teams even though there's only one.
Selection circle on the mammoth and GUO is too small.
Horrors still use the Bloodletter tooltip.

The Phalanx Stance description is the same for turning it on/off.
Outrider helmets float above their heads.
Engineer and Laborers have no portraits.

Regarding portraits, very few are correctly centered (sometimes the camera is miles away and underneath, sometimes only half a face is visible...), and as the attachments (weapons, helmets...) don't show up they all look the same (Mounted Chaos Lord has the same face as a Rider has the same face as a Dragonlord, etc). Especially jarring for the elves.

And if I may give suggestions:
Use a golem as the earth elemental and give the Archmage a staff.
Use something other than "team" for the swordmasters.
Use a different model for the Dragonlord.
Remove swords/bows when Shadow Warriors are in ranged/melee.
Doom Sirens don't make a very impressive sound, use something like a Spirit Tower's sound.
Maybe add a dustcloud on un/packing trebuchets to show they're not sitting there.

As far as I can tell, the alternate reinforcement system works just fine (except on artillery, fortunately).

Combine is disabled for, Workers, Artillery, and other units, like War Mammoths and Steam Tanks.

I will fix all these tooltip problems.

Idk what you mean about High Elf Workers...

Shadow Warriors will be fixed.

Eagles are fine, they have an ability that allows them to attack but weakens them. "Change Height"

Phalanx is not a toggled ability, the tooltips are going to be the same from now until the end of days.

Outriders aren't supposed to have helms, will fix.

Portraits were originally 2D pictures of the races logos, but since there are now 3 races, I'm not going to import 3 of the same model just to get custom portraits, nobody looks at portraits anyway. Not a big deal.

High Elf Mages don't use staves according to Warhammer lore.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Builders: As an example, I told one to build 5 houses in a row, he only built the first and fourth (the other three didn't even show up as ghost images).

As for the eagle, it only has Soaring Speed, a passive ability, nothing that allows it to change modes.

 

[RiotZ]

All glitches fixed. All tooltips fixed.

New structure added. New unit added. New upgrades added. Many units rebalanced.

And finally a new map, designed solely for 1v1 or 2v2, don't worry the water isn't blue in game.

It would be good if High Elves had a unique way to harvest their secondary.

And I've been thinking about making workers purchasable at Outposts, any objections? Or maybe give Outposts an ability to teleport workers.

Also High Elf workers can be macro'd commands now.

Map size 6.66mb... (';..;')

Edit: Looks like Vampire Counts for the next race.

 

[cleavinghammer]

* Chaos Lord uses Mastered Armaments as his damage upgrade in both forms.
* Horrors have "Summon Bloodletters" in their tooltip.
* Units can go underwater in the Realm of Suffering.
* Here's a weird one: I was playing on Bretonnia, and both computers had somehow managed to get units stuck in the southwestern boundary (and even farther than the knockback could do, in the patch of snow). It seemed to mess them up considerably, as they didn't build any units afterwards.

 

[RiotZ]

* Chaos Lord uses Mastered Armaments as his damage upgrade in both forms.
* Horrors have "Summon Bloodletters" in their tooltip.
* Units can go underwater in the Realm of Suffering.
* Here's a weird one: I was playing on Bretonnia, and both computers had somehow managed to get units stuck in the southwestern boundary (and even farther than the knockback could do, in the patch of snow). It seemed to mess them up considerably, as they didn't build any units afterwards.

These will be fixed next version, which I will release today.

Where exactly can you get out of the map on Realm of Suffering?

 

[cleavinghammer]

It's not in the Realm of Suffering (that one just seems to be missing a pathing blocker or two on the northern pond), it's in the castlegrounds. If you go west of the southwestern corner, there's a patch of snow, and that's where the units were.

Will the other factions have a flying unit?

 

[RiotZ]

"* Units can go underwater in the Realm of Suffering."

No, Great Eagles aren't really a flying unit anyway, and they're strictly for balance not for looks. High Elves have no shock-artillery, so against large armies laid out around such, like Empire's Great Cannons and Chaos' Hellcannons, they don't stand much of a chance, so Eagles are designed for sniping heavy artillery, and balancing the scales. Which I'd have to say they're quit good at, I lost 5 Hellcannons to them in the last game I played.

There's also a possibility High Elves will be getting another semi-flying unit as their ultimate, a White Dragon.

And the next version is going to boast a vastly improved squad system as well.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Oh. Well, it's the big body of water at the northern border next to the castle, still well within the map.

As for squads, I've noticed that some are built one unit at a time if there's not enough food for the whole squad, will that change?

 

[RiotZ]

Oh. Well, it's the big body of water at the northern border next to the castle, still well within the map.

As for squads, I've noticed that some are built one unit at a time if there's not enough food for the whole squad, will that change?

Yes it will.

In the next version if you have 40/45 food, and you make a 6 man squad, it won't become 46/45, it will kill the extra food usage so it becomes 45/45, and once you're unblocked you can reinforce that squad, so you don't get ripped off ever, and you still can't abuse the system.

Unless of course the members of the squad use 2 population per. Then it would only leave you with 2 squad members, and put you at 44/45.

Workers will also be buildable from Outposts next version

 

[RiotZ]

Last batch of squad related glitches have been fixed. Reinforce still isn't work properly, but that'll be fixed soon.

 

[saphiree]

Looks interesting. 100% going to try it out. Maybe at a lan in the weekend

Seems the description should be fixed. Some parts seem out of date (like you explain the amount of races, but then list more races.)

EDIT:
Played a game against two AI opponents (one chaos and one empire).
They seemed very weak, and I crushed them no problem. I don't know if they were going all out on each other, but they never attacked me, and when I came to attack them, I totally destroyed them in one try.

You should fix the hotkey for reinforce on the high eleven hall of heroes. It is the same as for training archers.
also the Hero (Dragon Prince) is not the first unit (you have to press TAB to get to him, when selected with some other units.)

Haven't tested it against real players yet, but looking forward to it. Nice map and ideas, but AI could use a boost

 

[RiotZ]

Looks interesting. 100% going to try it out. Maybe at a lan in the weekend

Seems the description should be fixed. Some parts seem out of date (like you explain the amount of races, but then list more races.)

EDIT:
Played a game against two AI opponents (one chaos and one empire).
They seemed every weak, and I crushed them no problem. I don't know if they were going all out on each other, but they never attacked me, and when I came to attack them, I totally destroyed them in one try.

You should fix the hotkey for reinforce on the high eleven hall of heroes. It is the same as for training archers.
also the Hero (Dragon Prince) is not the first unit (you have to press TAB to get to him, when selected with some other units.)

Haven't tested it against real players yet, but looking forward to it. Nice map and ideas, but AI could use a boost

Yeah to cycle through unit-types you have to use TAB, unfortunately I can't change the WC3 engine.

If you did FFA, the comps likely attacked each instead of you, I recommend 2v2/1v1 scenarios with the AI, it's decent since I made some upgrades recently, but the AI is never going to compete with a real player. I'll look into the reinforce hotkey, but I stated earlier Reinforce doesn't seem to be working right with this version.

I think descriptions are up to date, 7 maps, 3 races.

Also, how do these complaints equate to 4/5?

From what it sounds like you only played one race on one map, in one scenario.

 

[saphiree]

It was mostly based on the AI. and the description is fine. I saw that Rights after I commented.

Btw. Is it possible to add colors etc to the minimap?

EDIT: I also noticed the units all clump up around the one you can select in a squad. Is it possible to fix this, so the following units, will stand with some space between each other?

PS: Reinforce worked fine for me (unless its supposed to work in some way I don't know )

 

[RiotZ]

It was mostly based on the AI. and the description is fine. I saw that Rights after I commented.

Btw. Is it possible to add colors etc to the minimap?

EDIT: I also noticed the units all clump up around the one you can select in a squad. Is it possible to fix this, so the following units, will stand with some space between each other?

PS: Reinforce worked fine for me (unless its supposed to work in some way I don't know )

Reinforce is supposed to reinforce all members of the squad.

And it's not possible to fix unit clumping, that was a similar problem in WC3 melee, at least in this map you can control so many units that you'll rarely need to use follow.

 

[GhostThruster]

Yeah to cycle through unit-types you have to use TAB, unfortunately I can't change the WC3 engine.

do you even know how to open the world editor

also some feedback: squad count text is too big.
locust addition as i rethink it is bad, look at it this way:
advantages-
helps select easier
disadvantages-
no hp bars
units clumped
more triggering
more object data
buggy; i believe they cannot be targeted by spells

 

[RiotZ]

do you even know how to open the world editor

also some feedback: squad count text is too big.
locust addition as i rethink it is bad, look at it this way:
advantages-
helps select easier
disadvantages-
no hp bars
units clumped
more triggering
more object data
buggy; i believe they cannot be targeted by spells

Well I'm going to be gone for a week and a half, so if anyone wants to chime in on this while I'm away, I'll decide what to do when I get back.

I plan on making some changes to the mechanics of the map when I return. Game modes, Domination, holding 51% of caps starts a countdown to victory, but killing your enemy is harder. Capture the Flag, well you can figure this one out yourself.

And a new functionality, you'll be able to select Wild Cards (Damn BOPs, I didn't know what else to call them) during the game which will become usable every X amount of seconds.

So maybe you'll order some kind of special elite squad or extra resources, they'll become available whenever the 'reinforcement' timer reaches 0, and it'll reset constantly throughout the game, so you'll have plenty of opportunities to call in racially related specials. And too keep it fun, your orders will have to be in before a certain point on the timer.

This'll be my last post 'til I get back, ovua, have fun.

Expect a huge update sometime around February 1st.

 

[GhostThruster]

au revoir.

AU REVOIR. fucking americanos.

 

[RiotZ]

au revoir.

AU REVOIR. fucking americanos.

Bite my balls.

ANYWAY... I'm back, and I'm going to start updating the map soon. Next race is Vampire Counts, but I'll be starting the wild card/special rules system first, to see how it implements.

Oh, and thanks for all the comments in my inactivity period. :\

 

[Diamondkaching]

Review

I played the map with my friends and here's my review.

[+]Awesome Terrain
[+]Incredible AI
[+]Four Maps for a price of one
[+]Balanced Unit Prices
[+]Nice Models
[+]Nice gameplay
[+]Lots of starter money
[+]You can have a big army from the start

[-]Mouse disappears after playing the game

This is the best game I played this deserves 4.9/5

Suggestions:Get more Warhammer accurate models,Add High Elf AI,And add to the food cap

(Note:This Is my first time to rate)

 

[RiotZ]

I played the map with my friends and here's my review.

[+]Awesome Terrain
[+]Incredible AI
[+]Four Maps for a price of one
[+]Balanced Unit Prices
[+]Nice Models
[+]Nice gameplay
[+]Lots of starter money
[+]You can have a big army from the start

[-]Mouse disappears after playing the game

This is the best game I played this deserves 4.9/5

Suggestions:Get more Warhammer accurate models,Add High Elf AI,And add to the food cap

(Note:This Is my first time to rate)

Well a High Elf AI would increase the size of the map quite a bit but I'm thinking on it. I think the food cap is good, since any higher and with four people the game would lag.

Not sure how to fix that mouse glitch yet... D:

 

[Diamondkaching]

Oh i have discovered something while playing sometimes the AI is not producing units (only empire does it though) All it makes is Irregular Division. (only in certain maps)

 

[RiotZ]

Oh i have discovered something while playing sometimes the AI is not producing units (only empire does it though) All it makes is Irregular Division. (only in certain maps)

Can I get a replay of this? I've never heard of this happening... Nor do I see how.

 

[Rapid]

Sorry it's my brother...

 

[RiotZ]

Map overview?

 

[RadiaNSh0t]

Please put something in F9, when i started with 4 ppl, 2 left immediately because they had no idea how to play (Neither did I)... and your max-food is quite little, how about modes for changing that?
Also... reinforcing armies to max-strength is a lie it doesnt. Towers don't seem to attack sometimes, and how about some ability description on the units that have -1000000 dmg?

 

[RiotZ]

Typing -help teaches you how to play. It's a really standard control point RTS. Towers always attack units in range. And I think 100 food is plenty, but I do plan modes, and one of them may contain a pop increase.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

Im loving your maps man i wish you added the tyranids and get the A.I ready for the other races but it must be quite complicated to do it in so little time, but anyway i wish you luck 5/5

 

[RiotZ]

Im loving your maps man i wish you added the tyranids and get the A.I ready for the other races but it must be quite complicated to do it in so little time, but anyway i wish you luck 5/5

Haha, Tyranids are W40K man, this is Warhammer Fantasy.

And I'm out of space. Next thing to come is different game modes, maybe one more map, possibly 1-2 more AIs.

 

[Bloody Wolf]

How about interactive objects and more advantage points? like towers,gates,destructible bridges,etc

 

[RiotZ]

Yeah maybe.

I think I might have space for Dwarves after I rework all races a bit, and maximize compression on the AI.

 

[Gojira2000]

Hey riotz, do you have any of the army books? If not, i have a bunch of them both old and new, so if you need any info, just message me

 

[RiotZ]

No I don't, and actually I could use some creative ideas...

 

[RiotZ]

Great news, ResidentV has returned as lead terrainer, High Elves have been reworked to be more unique, many balance changes have taken place as well. Vampire Counts will be next to be reworked, and a new and improved Lustria will be released next version.

 

[ResidentV]

already taking my first official break.

 

[hastrowe]

This is a lot of fun. Love warhammer and glad to see maps based on it. I've played through several times without an issue but one time for some reason, i was playing as chaos on the Something Swamp? or something like that. And i ran my units haphazardly into one of the enemy bases and suddenly my food usage went through the roof. Like in the thousands. I scrolled over to the area and it was just a mess of ... stuff. I can't really put it any better than that. I'm not sure if it's your map or my computer and it doesn't seem to be a common issue. Every game I've played since then has been fine. Sorry thanks for pointing out my stupidity.

 

[RiotZ]

This is a lot of fun. Love warhammer and glad to see maps based on it. I've played through several times without an issue but one time for some reason, i was playing as chaos on the Something Swamp? or something like that. And i ran my units haphazardly into one of the enemy bases and suddenly my food usage went through the roof. Like in the thousands. I scrolled over to the area and it was just a mess of ... stuff. I can't really put it any better than that. I'm not sure if it's your map or my computer and it doesn't seem to be a common issue. Every game I've played since then has been fine. I also think it would be lovely if you could make reinforce autocastable because reinforcing after a large battle is quite a chore. Though that might make attacking bases a serious hassle.

Reinforce is actually, autocastable, I believe, that is, been a while since I've played my map. xD

Problem is, it only autocasts during combat, :C, I believe you can still shift + left-click to reinforce.