The Russian Civil War v0.83b

[Moderator]

Orcnet
[23:38, Nov/30/2012]

"Approved"

 

[G A T E]

Take my advices or your map will not get approve!
-Improved your description. Check it out here!
-Put some screenshots/videos. It is important.
That's all what I can help you. Good Luck,my friend!

 

[Orcnet]

gameplay seems fair, tried it and I'm not into the history of russia so I won't guess who's who and how's how, anyway its cool to play, but terrain is plain and the music background has some russian song for it not sure about that but to consider this is good to go.

 

[Sky Green]

I haven't downloaded it yet, but it seems awesome! I love these kinds of maps.

 

[Mechanical Man]

You could also make map of Slovenia and rename whites to jansheviks, so we have jansheviks and bolsheviks fighting in eternal war.

 

[troubledsoul]

great map, but there is 2 things that confuses me :
- in the scoreboard, i'm confused which one is the whites and which one is the reds. you should try to divide them into teams (in the scoreboard)
- i don't know the name of the seas. try to name it

 

[heqat]

Awesome idea!

 

[Lich__King]

Nice map i will try it

 

[Sexylycan]

pretty nice map .*NOT*. sorry for offensive.the terrain is plain and those blizzard cliffs are ugly

 

[Lord_Tomat]

In the new version ( 0.8 ) find so much bug with bots. But i like this map. Do More

 

[Christers]

In the new version ( 0.8 ) find so much bug with bots. But i like this map. Do More

Thanks! What sort of of bugs did you encounter?

 

[Lord_Tomat]

Thanks! What sort of of bugs did you encounter?

 

[Christers]

Thank you. Both of those issues are fixed in the 0.81 version, but please tell if you encounter any more bugs or issues.

 

[cleavinghammer]

The Red Army (AI) won, but I could continue to play (the Red Army counter stopped updating).

Repair units should have a way to turn off attack, they keep running off to get themselves killed instead of fixing things.

Barricades should be built as fast as production buildings.

Tanks seem to have a much higher acquisition range than their actual range. They also disappear into the FoW if there are no friendly units around, can't be used as building rally points, and their selection circles are too small.

Mobile Artillery is available without the tank upgrade.

The death/panic attacks of heroes and faction eliminations should be announced. There should be a message when one faction takes a town from you.

Anti-Tank soldiers can't target buildings.

How do transports get back to the HQ?

Railroads should be visible in FoW.

 

[Christers]

Thanks for the feedback!

The Red Army (AI) won, but I could continue to play (the Red Army counter stopped updating).

That's odd. When did the red army counter stop updating? Was it when they took a particular city?

Repair units should have a way to turn off attack, they keep running off to get themselves killed instead of fixing things.

Barricades should be built as fast as production buildings.

I'll look into both. Barricades could use a faster construction speed.

Tanks seem to have a much higher acquisition range than their actual range. They also disappear into the FoW if there are no friendly units around.

The latter is intentional (so tanks require infantry support without being sitting ducks), but could expand it so you can still see the tank itself. For the acquisition range, my guess would be that they are fired upon by snipers (tanks have the same acquisition range as most units).

Mobile Artillery is available without the tank upgrade.

Right now, that is intentional. Will see if they also need to be behind the upgrade after some more playtesting.

The death/panic attacks of heroes and faction eliminations should be announced. There should be a message when one faction takes a town from you.

What do you mean by the former? That a hero dies is currently announced, but I could add in a message when a hero panics. I'll add in a message about a city being lost in the next version.

Anti-Tank soldiers can't target buildings.

I'll fix that by the next version.

How do transports get back to the HQ?

Right now, they can't. I should probably add in a message for the yellow player that units sent from the HQ can't return there, and maybe a way for empty transports to return to HQ.

Railroads should be visible in FoW.

I'll look into it for the next version.

 

[cleavinghammer]

As far as I can tell, it was after they won. Individual factions' city counts moved, but the Red Army count stayed where it was.

Speaking of which, after they won the reds kept accumulating ridiculous amounts of troops and only seemed to have them patrol between their cities (enough that they only moved one unit at a time).

Hero message: Well since you can't get them back, a more interesting message. Ever play those Fire Emblem maps on SC2?

Both machine gun units seem to do no damage to buildings, maybe make them unable to target them.

Engineer has Bash before getting the Saboteur upgrade.

Idea: Barrier Troops who shoot retreating units to restore morale in survivors.

 

[Riner]

Will you allow me translate your Russian civil war map?

 

[Christers]

Will you allow me translate your Russian civil war map?

Of course! What language do you want to translate it to?

I will be making relatively frequent updates for the next few versions (until I'm out of the beta 0.xx stage), though, so I'd recommend starting translating the map until I've uploaded the finished version.

As far as I can tell, it was after they won. Individual factions' city counts moved, but the Red Army count stayed where it was.

Speaking of which, after they won the reds kept accumulating ridiculous amounts of troops and only seemed to have them patrol between their cities (enough that they only moved one unit at a time).

Hero message: Well since you can't get them back, a more interesting message. Ever play those Fire Emblem maps on SC2?

I'll look into the victory conditions and the AI. From what you say, it seems like you didn't get a defeat message when the red army won. Were you allied to the Red or White Army, or independent?

And yeah, I should make it more clear that heroes aren't revivable.

Both machine gun units seem to do no damage to buildings, maybe make them unable to target them.

Engineer has Bash before getting the Saboteur upgrade.

Idea: Barrier Troops who shoot retreating units to restore morale in survivors.

An issue I've encountered with units outright unable to attack buildings, is that the AI will keep moving them while the rest of the assault force remains behind (I've seen that issue with snipers in a test game I ran today). I might give machine gunners and snipers a secondary attack against buildings that is still fairly ineffective, but still does some damage.

Thanks for reporting the engineer issue.

I'll look into barrier troops. If they were employed to an extent by a group in the russian civil war, I'll probably add them.

 

[cleavinghammer]

As Mongolians, hostile to everyone. I got the message saying the Red Army won, waited for the countdown... and when nothing happened, I kept playing.

 

[Riner]

Thank you! I wanted translate map into russian language. I will wait for the new version, then I contininue work. You may keep updating map, I will just copying&paste translated texts to the newer versions, as soon as it will be released.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Medic upgrade says it decreases cooldown instead of increasing amount healed.
Commands that work are "cities" and "-zoom out", the quest menu has no hyphens.
Sometimes the Warcraft music plays for a few seconds during the pause between musics.
Creeps (humans and wolves) often desert before you can get money from them.
Priest require Shaman master training.
Battleships can't target buildings or ground units. Also, it can load revolutionary sailors even when built by the Whites.
Some towns can't destroy unecessary buildings (the northern Baltic starting town is too far away, the HQ doesn't have an attack).

Heroes should get experience for taking cities and causing desertion.
Sea teleports should be marked with a circle so you can see them on the minimap.

Idea: A ability that lets you hire a deserting unit for money or goods.
Maybe have a way to make defensive structures center on the city rather than the building slot, as it makes some cities vulnerable from certain angles.

 

[Hazop / Sarven]

Will you update this map with HerrDave's/SonsofSami new models?

Also how did you make the morale system? I've been trying for a while myself and I'm curios how you did it..

 

[Mechanical Man]

Maybe when he will come online again. I remember helping and debating with him in chat. Fun times. He made me interested in Mahno again, my favourite faction

 

[djsailbeat]

i havent played this map yet because of it not being complete

when is non beta version out

version 1.0

so no more beta 0.83b

 

[Lord_Tomat]

Finally end translating to Russian language. Not translated only status effect.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Map crashes while loading on 1.31.

 

[deepstrasz]

Map crashes while loading on 1.31.

No idea why really. The map loads in the editor. I saved it on 1.31.1 and it still crashes when loading in the game.
Deleted imports and triggers and still nothing... and everything except for custom units in the object editor.
OK, replacing the entirety of the object data (including units) made it load.

 

[cleavinghammer]

What do you mean by replacing? Rewriting it or replacing all the data with something else entirely?

 

[deepstrasz]

What do you mean by replacing? Rewriting it or replacing all the data with something else entirely?

Yeah, I just imported the data from a random human campaign map as a test.
I'd have to go through all units one by one. It'd be a pain.

 

[deepstrasz]

@cleavinghammer fixed. For some reason the Building Port unit (circle of power model) under the yellow player crashed the game. Deleted and placed them again and now the map loads in the game.
Attached the edited file.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Thanks!

 

[deepstrasz]

Thanks!

Updated the description with the link to the fixed version for 1.31.1.
Thank you for reporting.

 

[cleavinghammer]

There's also a crash caused (as far as I can tell) by teleporting a ship to one of the seas, although it worked from Black Sea to Vladivostok (I've had similar bugs on other maps and it always seems to involve the edges of the map).

 

[deepstrasz]

There's also a crash caused (as far as I can tell) by teleporting a ship to one of the seas, although it worked from Black Sea to Vladivostok (I've had similar bugs on other maps and it always seems to involve the edges of the map).

Yeah, that's a somewhat known issue, I think might have something to do with unit collision.
Just try making that thing not possible, block access to those parts, I don't know.

 

[Oleg Batarka]

Maybe when he will come online again. I remember helping and debating with him in chat. Fun times. He made me interested in Mahno again, my favourite faction

I want to please you, I am doing the continuation of the map, if you are interested in what we did there, please answer

 

[deepstrasz]

I want to please you, I am doing the continuation of the map, if you are interested in what we did there, please answer

With permission, I hope.

 

[Oleg Batarka]

With permission, I hope.

The author disappeared and the updates did not come out, the map is good, it's a pity that I gave it, I decided to do it before, if I'm not mistaken, the original author wanted to make Alash-Orda and Poland and I released it and added a new model and balance under the rules if there are errors in the text, I'm sorry, I'm just Russian)

 

[Oleg Batarka]

With permission, I hope.

This is what I've done all summer

 

[Shar Dundred]

The question was if you were ALLOWED to do so.

 

[Oleg Batarka]

The question was if you were ALLOWED to do so.

formally yes

 

[Shar Dundred]

Source?

 

[Oleg Batarka]

Source?

in what sense

 

[Shar Dundred]

Do you have proof that you are allowed?

 

[Oleg Batarka]

Do you have proof that you are allowed?

then I can’t because I can’t throw off the source with the proof