The Both Sides (MEGA WAR) V5

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Status : Approve
Condition : Average
Review : 1

Note : This trigger leak and it is not a good sign of it if you are playing multiplayer mode.

• Items
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Crown of Kings +5 at (Random point in Region 000 <gen>)
    • Item - Create Crown of Kings +5 at (Random point in Region 000 <gen>)
    • Item - Create Crown of Kings +5 at (Random point in Region 001 <gen>)
    • Item - Create Crown of Kings +5 at (Random point in Region 001 <gen>)

You should use variable for it and destroy the group. Since this trigger just execute once, it is fine. But, I recommend you to use such a setup if you are making a trigger that could repeat the function in such a way.

• Items
  • Events
    • Time - Every 180.00 seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set Random_Area = (Random point in (Playable map area))
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Talisman of Evasion at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Cloak of Flames at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at Random_Area
    • Item - Create Warsong Battle Drums at Random_Area
    • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Random_Area

As for the resources distribution, it seems like the gold mine is a bit too high. But, you probably did that at purpose since this map serve as altered melee.

Every neutral structure except tavern must be guarded, please take note if you are making melee map, since this is altered melee. You might have done that at purpose, I would give you exception at this part as well.

As for the wall maker, you did a horrible mistake in setting those hotkey. There is no information indicating those hotkey for the wallmaker and it's wall. You should highlight the hotkey for those structure and unit or else people won't know what type of hotkey to used. Apart from that, you even highlight the wrong hotkey for the wall unit.

Terrain is quite bad and the thing you edit most of the time is just the food cost & gold cost, you hardly add any custom unit at all.

Infact, I notice several typo error at map description.

Overall the map quality could get this map rejected although it follow the entire criteria state above, but seeing that you often update this resources. I would give this map a seal of approval.

And please do not delete and re-upload resources because it is a rules violation especially deleting an approve resources. If you are caught to be doing the same offense again for the 3rd time, you would be given a even more harsh punishment.

Negative reputation is just a friendly reminder.

The map might not be fully tested, if any user of the map found bug/error or anything else. Feel free to contact Alexis Septimus by clicking this

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[Slasher]

Terrain is very boring and you could add more doodads/destructibles. Now most of the map is just empty space with too many gold mines. Also there's no creeps or any shops...that is bad thing

 

[AlphaVED]

It's a fun map, but it really needs improvements.
The goldmines shouldn't be set so random. I don't know if you wanted it like this, but it's really annoying if you want to build and there are goldmines just everywhere. Less goldmines with a higher amount of gold would be better (I think).
Also, a three vs two is not really fair. The "advantages" are simply not there. Put the defenders on a mountain with only one or two entraces, and give them more "defend units". The wall builder is a nice idea, but needs more stuff to build. That leads me to the next point: The wall is pretty tough. Easy and fast to build, but hard to destroy. It should start with a little weak wall and you should be able to upgrade more and more.
Also, the attackers should have a time limit or something like that. They can build up their army, and just use their advantage being one more player, which eventually leads to the defeat of the defenders, since they are only two.

And, as said before, creeps, shops, and a better terrain would be nice.
I also noticed that in longer games lumber runs out. Maybe a shop where you can buy gold for lumber and lumber for gold would be nice.

 

[Fratelli Guy]

Seeing as I'm obsessed with castle defence maps, I loved this map!

 

[Shiroaisu]

Hi everyone pls do not rate the map yet because i will updade this to the second version and it will be better and more balanced.

--------EDIT-------
Update ready now.

 

[Handycombinder]

Remember to make it with 5 players in next version

 

[Shiroaisu]

The update is ready and you can now rate it. tks again to AlphaVED and to Slasher for the sugestions.

 

[AlphaVED]

I played this map again. I'm glad to see you are getting more comfortable with the editor, doing new stuff and all that.
It's fun to play, even with bots, and it's good that you can produce so many units.
What was negative?
Well, I don't know if that was ever your intention, but how about new units and some triggers to make it a real mod, not just a changed melee map? Just an idea.

Also, the wall builder is pretty useless. The gates are a nice thing, but worthless after about ten minutes. Either remove them or let them build new towers or something like that.
Then, I think, since it's not really a defense map anymore (you can still do that), that you should change the terrain more. Do hills, maybe a river with a bridge, stuff like that.

What else? Maybe more players? 6vs6 would be great, and the small map makes it harder to build a base. Then allies have to cooperate more, that would be interesting.

And maybe you could add creeps. Just at random positions in the middle of the map, so no one gets rushed by them. I'll rate it a 3/5. A fun map, but still work to be done.

 

[Shiroaisu]

V3 ready (xD) ... tks again AlphaVED you rock dude

 

[Slasher]

Now it's lot of better. Well done But still the terrain and destructible/doodads adding could be better. Check out my CTF map (can be downloaded here) and see how well made my terrain is

 

[Sparten1one7]

Maybe you should have the gold mines more, symmetrical. There is one more on one side. The mini-map looks terrible but having AI makes it much better, Maybe add a 4th Tier, with another hero for each race? With a new building, and 2-3 units each for the races? It would be a bit of work, but it will be more of a challenge. The wall builder is a good idea. Cause i play Age of Mythology, where walls are essential. Just fix up the gold mines a bit, and it will look less confusing.

 

[Shiroaisu]

Glad to say that v4 is ready , and by request of many people this has been changed to a 5v5 Melee Map

Hope its better, and tks o the ones that have been given ideas and sugestions so I can make this a better map .

Just one question... why isnt this approved anymore? It has been some time since i upload it ??????

 

[Shiroaisu]

Coments pls people

 

[Septimus]

Meet the min requirement, approve.

 

[AlphaVED]

OK, I played it again.
Since the first version, you improved the map drastically, and it is still fun.
The terrain is OK in my opinion, but you can/should still work on it. Add mountains, destructible bridges, something like that.
The wall maker is kinda useless. People never used him, or when they did, they complained that the tower is too expensive. Try to make the wall maker more attractive, let him build defense units, something like that.
Also, some more researches would be nice. Something like: "Horde bonus" When more than twenty units stand together, they do 15% more damage.
Just play the map in the battle.net and ask people, what they would add.

 

[Shiroaisu]

COmments pls

P.S.: wen you play this map play it for real, dont just looke at things like "a good terraining" or things like that, after all, whats more important? a nice map or a fun map?