The Allinace

[StormWarriors2]

yeah o well at least he died a hero not like uther

 

[AIagremm]

Uther is a hero, and he died defending the ashes of his friend(but he could do much more for the light, alliance and the world if he would think of retreating and destroying Arthas)

 

[OMonaxos]

From all the kingdoms that one of Gilneas has attracted my attention.What do you think has happened?A possible invasion by nagas or worgen?Or does the Kingdom of Gilneas prosper?

 

[AIagremm]

There are no signs it still exists.
Many think that worgen or nagas really did destroy them.
Perhaps Kul Tiras evenged their betrayal.
Who knows? Alterac, Gilneas and Kul Tiras intersted me.

I also think that there was a human kingdom in Northrend.

 

[Misha]

i wouldn't say it was a kingdom... but a few small villages... that first fell to the plague of Ner'Zhul =/

 

[AIagremm]

Yes. They were forgotten... never to be remembered any other way then undead mostrosities or the wretched sons of vrykul...

 

[VeljkoM]

Northrend villages weren't mentioned much since they were early destroyed.

Gilneas is probably rotting since they aren't part of alliance.

Kul Tiras is probably scared since their king is dead and their allies are falling one by one.

Alterac was destroyed in second war (great mission). They were allies with the horde so alliance attacked them. Latter they were nothing more then bandits who raided nearby kingdoms. They even helped Ner'zhul when he was searching for artifacts to open new portals. They were nothing but cowards.

The truth is that Blizzard has forgotten about them because they didn't have where to put them in WoW. They aren't even on the map.

The conclusion= 4 kingdoms destroyed (lordearon is now Undercity), 1 left alliance, 1 is still n alliance but who cares, and one is being finally rebuilted, and one was forgotten since Warcraft 2 (Tol Barad) and 1 new kingdom
So basically alliance is the shadow of its former glory..

 

[Misha]

indeed

 

[OMonaxos]

Why would Gilneas rot?Because they are not a part with an Aliance?

In state of peace,a kingdom always prospers.Except if they are attacked by the nagas or worgen.I consider the second as a rot xP.

 

[AIagremm]

Tol Barad isnt a kingdom.
I know that Alteracs are idiots.
Kul Tiras is healthy and powerfull.

Oh, and Dalaran left Alliance.

 

[VeljkoM]

It was raised to the ground and now there are more demons than humans. Tol Barad "was" small kingdom.
Gilineas is rotting because no country can live without trade with other countries. Also if plague hits that kingdom all would be dead. As far as we know they could be under control of some evil or something.

 

[AIagremm]

Everyone thinks that. Theres no way Gilneas is alive, the gates are closed and without guardinas for years!

Oups. Sorry, Tol Barad really was a small kingdom.
It just was... unnoticeble.

 

[VeljkoM]

That is just Blizzards excuse because they don't know what to do with them. I hope that they were killed by scourge. Or better some orcs that were angry because they didn't want to pay for their camps.

 

[OMonaxos]

I still disagree with that.Gilneas could have farming as an resource of income.Anyway Tol Barad was under the control of Stromgarde so it isn't not a kingdom

 

[VeljkoM]

Before that was independent. And it isn't enough for kingdom to have farms. There are many other resources needed for a entire kingdom. And with all this wars there could have been wiped out and no body would ever know.

 

[AIagremm]

Srsly. Gilneas is a small mountain valley.
Theres no place for farms, and totally not enough food.

 

[VeljkoM]

Food actually shouldn't be a problem if they have farm animals or fishing boats.

 

[AIagremm]

Im not sure if Gilneas has connection to the sea.
And farm animals need to eat something too.

 

[VeljkoM]

There is grass on mountain. And I think they have sea connection since they have fleet and were possibly attacked by naga.

 

[OMonaxos]

Ok not farming since Gilneas is described by Brann Bronzebeard as an cold and rainy penisula.Gilneas is resource of income might be fishing since the penisula is open at the see.

Veljkom,if Gilneas is safe and no invasion has happened to it,then the Kingdom prospers...no need to say anymore

 

[VeljkoM]

"The Kingdom prospers" news was from Warcraft 2. As for invasion scourge, naga or even bandits could have raided them. And there isn't single place in whole warcraft that is safe. Maybe Blizzard will remember them in warcraft 4 and we will actually know anything about them.

 

[AIagremm]

I dont think so.
And, yeah "the prospering kingdom" thing is really old.

Even if they didnt become idiots or hungry idiots, because of their "quarantine the outside world" idea, Im pretty sure Kul Tiras would do something to them.

 

[OMonaxos]

Warcraft 4 hahaaha thats the biggest joke I have ever heard.As for the prospering kingdom;deal with it,if Gilneas isn't attacked by any of the above and is in a state of peace then it PROSPERS<-----

Every kingdom that is in a state of peace PROSPERS.Anyway Blizzard stated that they have some very very very very interesting plans for Gilneas...

Now am I allowed to change to another question?Isn't Tol Barad is a prison for criminals,demons and undead?And also the island that Rhonin landed with Krasus in the War of the Ancients first book,was it Tol Barad?

 

[VeljkoM]

I don't know about the books but Tol barad should have been island kindom that was latter put under the Stormgrade rule. It is located near Khaz Modan and it was first to be attacked when Doomhamer attacked territories of Khaz Modan.

That "prospers" was written before second war. Do you know how long has been since then?
And there is no human kingdom that wasn't damaged in some way. I can't believe that
every evil forces simply said "we won't attack Gilineas".

 

[OMonaxos]

I said IFit wasnt attacked!Anyway you haven't answered the whole question xP

 

[VeljkoM]

Sorry must have misread it.

As for Tol Barad it is an island near the shores of Khaz Modan. It was a very small kingdom and it was put under the rule of Stormgrade probably since they are military based kingdom. It was first to fall when orcs attacked Khaz Modan.

This is official information from warcraft 2 so if it was in WoW turned in to a "Alcatraz" copy then i have no idea.

 

[AIagremm]

Blizzzard says that they have intersting plans for everything they didnt finish in first WoW(before expansion).

 

[VeljkoM]

They also say that they'll make warcraft 4 without WoW lore, they say that they will make Starcraft: Ghost.... Blizzard is famous for not doing stuff.

Then again they may surprise us.

 

[AIagremm]

You know how they are usually organized?
People work in groups, and if "the guys want to do" something they do it.
Same thing about WC4. If some guys will want to work on that, they will make it.
But it seems that they already have plans on the gameplay.

At least they said that they wont make World of Starcraft.

 

[OMonaxos]

I think Blizzard is to busy now.They are creating Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 and also they must continue support WoW since its their main source of income.

I dont think there will be WC4...unless they stop supporting WoW

 

[AIagremm]

They want to make a new expansion for WoW every year.
And they plan doing a new MMORG.

 

[VeljkoM]

Probably Diablo? Anyway have you ever wondered why Alliance didn't help Lordearon and Quel'Thalas? If Stormgrade and Kul'Tiras sent forces to aid Lordearon in their time of need maybe scourge would never revive Kel'Thuzad.

 

[AIagremm]

Dont clone post dude! You will begin the clone wars!

And, yeah, you are right(and you forgot Dalaran).
However if they all would just listen to Medivh(especially Arthas)...

 

[VeljkoM]

Dalaran can't afford to lose mages. But also when you play orc campaign (mission when you fight with 4 human bases) you'll notice that all nations were part of grand escaping. There is even Gilineas brigade there.

 

[OMonaxos]

Stromgarde was in a state of war.After the death of Trollbane,the Boulderfist Ogres and the Syndicate,an human organisation of humans that seeked vengeance against Stromgarde for what has done to Alterac,sieged their keep.

As for Kul Tiras and Dalaran,I dont know

 

[AIagremm]

Actually that happened right after the Third War.

Yeah, the Gilneas brigade is a real mistery.
And Dalaran actually did help(send Jaina), however not enough.

 

[VeljkoM]

I kinda don't like that Blizzards explanation because Stormgarde has best trained soldiers in whole alliance. The Alterac scum (known recently as Syndicate) and ogres couldn't have alone destroy them. Only posible explanation is that Scouge weakened them enough for that to happen.

Also they were attacked after the fall of Lordearon.

Dalaran sent her to investigate the plague not as reinforcement to Loredaron army.

 

[AIagremm]

Yes, but it could count... a little.

And yes, Stromgard was weakened, its not easy to defend a wall you know.

 

[Phoonix]

it's very easy to defend a wall. easiest thing ever. why the heck would they build a wall when ti just makes it harder to defend...

 

[AIagremm]

intersting. The lore says that the bridge between Lordaeron and Kahz Modan was damaged by the Scourge. Which means... that the Scourge did overcome the defenders of the wall after all!

 

[VeljkoM]

They were border state. It was their duty to fight with enemies of Alliance. But they better defend the other side of the wall.

 

[AIagremm]

Who knows.

 

[VeljkoM]

Also I just noticed something. Garithos was angry at Keal and his blood elves right? He imprisoned only his elves and only his elves wet to Dreanor right? So why are the elves who weren't in Keals group against alliance?

 

[StormWarriors2]

so that was very long disscussion about one thing. GOOD.
that means you guys can talk about and agrue over a subject and also BLOOD ELVES SUCK!!!!!!!!!!! THEY AREN"T ALLIANCE HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Sry. i hate blood elves. Any Way Graithos was a racist bastard to everything. he could be racist to a tree....

 

[VeljkoM]

I thought that only I hate elves?
And they aren't in horde.

 

[Misha]

lol tree racist?

 

[AIagremm]

I DONT LIKE BLOOD ELVES. Dont worry dudes, Im just Death-speaking.
And yes, Garithos is a f*cking racist, blood elves could stay with the Alliance if it wasnt for him.

 

[VeljkoM]

They can return now he is dead. But no they joined the forces that burned their forests to ash and committed genocide to their race during the second and part of the third war.

 

[Misha]

silly bloodelves

 

[AIagremm]

Not silly - stupid magic addicted retards