The Allinace

[Amargaard]

Why did he then join Sylvanas?

 

[VeljkoM]

Where is dishonor there? He was returning the favor it would be dishonorable to refuse.

 

[AIagremm]

I dont like Garithos, but if he at least partially rebuilt the Alliance of Lordaeron and defeated Sylvanas I would praise him as a Saint.

 

[VeljkoM]

Nah his blood elf allergies created Blood elves we know today. Who knows maybe he would make dwarves angry also.

 

[Amargaard]

If I'm not wrong he said something like: "Join us Dwarves, we need cannon fodder!"

Blame Lady Vasjh also. It is her mission in Lordaeron combined with Garithos' arrogant personality that created the Blood Elves we know today...

 

[VeljkoM]

He said that he need them i the front line and that he'll lead them himself.

It was just excuse he needed to kick them out. He said that elves shouldn't have been allowed in the Alliance in the first place.

 

[Amargaard]

Did he? [DP-related: Lulz, never thought of it before. Garithos, Trolman and Elfman are completely different. Garithos hates most other races. Trolman don't mind most other races. Elfman loves most other races]

 

[VeljkoM]

[Trolman started as worse then Garithos but for some reason he stopped with that and decided with stupid god thing]
Yes he did. If I know any lore best it is Warcraft 2-3 lore.

 

[AIagremm]

[Trol was awesome when he was Garithos-2]
Me too...

 

[VeljkoM]

[agree with you Al]
No you are master of Draenor lore.

 

[Amargaard]

I am best with Daily Peon-lore :]

 

[AIagremm]

I am actually best with all of the lore, only I know Draenor and Old God lore the best

 

[VeljkoM]

You know Old God speculations better then lore.

 

[AIagremm]

Thats because there aint that much lore about them, but I know all of Old God lore and most of speculations.

 

[Amargaard]

OMG NOEZ! We will lose Magni too in the Cataclysm... D:

When knowledge of the Cataclysm reaches him, Magni attempts a ritual in Old Ironforge and asks the elements of Ironforge for protection against it, giving himself as a sacrifice. As a result, he turns to stone, leaving Ironforge without a ruler. In his place, his brother Muradin, Kurdran Wildhammer, and his daughter, Moira - now styled Moira Thaurissan and representing the Dark Iron clan - created a council of leaders to rule Ironforge. His ritual also explains dwarf shamans.
-From Wowwiki

 

[AIagremm]

Ironforge Elements? -.-
Blizzard really got lame... plus they didnt even make a new region in Ironforge for it, they just had it since the beginning of WoW as a hidden zone.

That is the explanation of dwarven shamans? -.-
And how the heck did a non-shaman contact them? This is dumb. I thought Wildhammers were going to be dwarf shamans.

 

[VeljkoM]

I didn't like much dwarven shaman idea (I would expect rune masters at best) but as Al said Wildhammers are better for that. I mean they are in touch with nature kinda.

 

[Fussiler1]

Elements of Ironforge.. who says it can't be occupied by spirits?

 

[dragos98]

Omg omg omg guys there is something named wowwiki...HELLO....the bronzbeard dwarves were shamans becouse they were friends with the wildhammer dwarves(the wildhammer dwarves are in principal shamans and griphon raiders)and in cata the wildhammer dwarves are again in the alliance becouse in cata the twilighthammer highlands apear and grim batol is one of the great city of the twilight hammer clan and the grim batol was the capital of the wildhammer and they want their city back and that is why they come back in ally and the dwarves become again shamans and about magni he will be a stone statue becouse he will try to protect ironforge from the earthquakes of deathwing that is all.(Sry for the bad grammar as i said im not good in english grammar but in lore....)

 

[Amargaard]

Wasn't they already in Alliance in BC?

 

[dragos98]

No the wildhammers of shadowmoon are with the Outland expedition from wc2:Alleria, Kurdran, Turalyon and Khadgar.

 

[Amargaard]

Yeah, but when BC was made and the "Outland Expedition" became Alliance aligned, Wildhammer Dwarves in Lordaeron was no longer neutral, being part of Alliance aswell

 

[Footman16]

Yep the 3 hammer council dumbest plot device ever.

I think blizzard need to buckle their belts and get some good ideas down. I mean blizzard can do great work ie the previous warcraft games.

The only problem with the stories now I guess is you've got practically blizzards entire art department creating the lore, that and metzan's a bit of a horde fan as far as I'm aware. They need to actually look at existing lore and expand upon it to create new lore. That is where the problems are coming from. Iron forge elements for example. Where? When? Seriously though there have never been "iron forge" elements and that is where the problem comes from. Wouldn't it have been better if Magni was sucked into a massive rift opened into the earthen plane during the cataclysm. That way you have loads more quests to do with it; you also get your oh so precious but pathetic dark iron quest line which in my opinion is pretty poor.

To be honest varian should've just said as leader of the alliance I proclaim muradin king end of. Who would even stand up to him? The dark irons? What would they do? Leave the alliance because they weren't even in it in the first place? How about the wild hammers the king of iron forge is so related to them because they live nowhere near it and so they have to get a say in it.

 

[StormWarriors2]

Question, what else do we know about Stormguarde has anything changed in Mists of Pandaria?

What is the Argent Dawn doing?

Are there any survivors of Lordaeron left?