Swamp Falls

[Moderator]

08:17, 9th Mar 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Rejected
Map isn't balanced well (Check creep camps). Also Trees have 150 hp >> gold mines (standard amount of gold). Hydra can drop 3 items at once.

 

[Slayer14]

Another great looking, yet still symmetrical melee map! The terrain looks pretty good!

I think what you put under "=Tactics=" sounds sort of interesting. If only I still played melee maps...

But anyway, Good job!

 

[XPQJ]

yet still symmetrical melee map

is that a bad thing xD?

 

[Slayer14]

Ha ha. No, melee maps are supposed to be symmetrical for them to be balanced for all players. Like Blizzard's maps.

 

[MrStormyZ]

downloaded, good map there
Creep spots are in good number, nice waygate placement
The bases seem Flat I would recommend raising/lowering a bit of that
4/5 +rep have fun ^^

one little quest I wanted to ask for my personal terraining
how did you get those cliff like straight Raised things beside the Water falls ?


EDIT : all gold mines have default amount of gold, I would say having more in the starting ones will be better (least that's how I saw it in Blizzard's Melee maps)

 

[66Dragon6]

Extremely well done and well thought out idea!

 

[taxikar]

Nice map because:
- still .w3m!
- just nice overall
but:
- blizzard melee considering system doesn't consider this map as melee (trees i guess?)

 

[XPQJ]

all gold mines have default amount of gold, I would say having more in the starting ones will be better (least that's how I saw it in Blizzard's Melee maps)

sounds like something I should fix +rep

blizzard melee considering system doesn't consider this map as melee (trees i guess?)

custom scaling and tinting on doodads made it not melee D:
but that shouldn't be a problem to just enjoy the map with friends

one little quest I wanted to ask for my personal terraining
how did you get those cliff like straight Raised things beside the Water falls ?

Used a height map and the terrain 1.0 tool, also thats how I kept it symmetrical, tools make it easy :3

 

[MrStormyZ]

sounds like something I should fix +rep




Used a height map and the terrain 1.0 tool, also thats how I kept it symmetrical, tools make it easy :3

no problem
and Thanks ^^ was wondering about it as I never came through any such tools in the WE

 

[Orcnet]

Map Review

made by XPQJ. this intriguing melee map known as the "Swamp Falls" is one of the another warcraft III map for everyone to play and use.

Map Review

Swamp Falls (No Version/s Stated)

Rating System

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

General:

Gameplay-[5/5]
Note: Were I pronounce your game challenging or a waste of time.

Playability-[5/5]
Note: This part tells me if the game is rather fun and can be played again and again.

Terrain-[5/5]
Note: Were I tell your game's environmental display is either great or terrible.

Managing-[5/5]
Note: This is were I explain the output or outcome quality of the game.

Bug/s
Note: No score, just to tell your map has bugs on it or simply bug-free.

Overall-[20/20]

About My Reputations:

My complements for the Maker/s of the map's game.

Were I explain your map needs to get fix or make an improvement of your work.

Overview

Gameplay

The Game was fun! like an ordinary melee map but some changes with the landscapes and all, nothing bad and negative to say for this section.

Playability

Likewise with the "Gameplay" section, its a good melee map but there is one thing I notice, its too large, try making it smaller a bit, only my opinion and its for you to decide.

Terrain

The Terrain went well, I like the fact you don't use cliffs since its so 2002 like, but there is something wrong, I can pass to some of the mountains I move into(can't spot the pinpoints due to a large expansion), try blocking it with some more pathing blockers for my suggestion.

Managing

your firm managing is good, although a little more of this and that and everything will go well, I mean "Waygate" buildings doesn't have any creep camps while rune drops are normally spotted and I like that, just do some more good changes and everything will be fine.

Bug/s

No Bugs, No Worry!

Total Score

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	16/20	90%	B

Great!

Hope you can do better than before, Goodluck!
happy map-making!

 

[XPQJ]

no problem
and Thanks ^^ was wondering about it as I never came through any such tools in the WE

Cliff limits without using any tools

Things you need Any MPQ Editor I use MPQ Master Any text editor

Steps Close World Editor if open Open your Warcraft III directory (C:/Program Files/Warcraft III/) Backup War3x.mpq (copy it and paste it somewhere) Open your MPQ editor and open up the archive War3x.mpq in your Warcraft folder, not the backup, and use the "Native Listfile". You will see a bunch of folders come up, left click on the one titled "UI." Look over in the main window of the MPQ editor, and you will see a file titled "MiscData.txt," right click it and select "Export File". Save it somewhere and open it with your text editor, then find [Terrain] / / terrain parameters / / Maximum slope in degrees, (86 + will disable slope limits) MaxSlope = 50 Change the "MaxSlope = 50" to "MaxSlope = 90." Save text file and go back to the MPQ Editor and delete the MiscData.txt in there, then right click on the side with all the files, not folders, then left click the option "Add file(s)" and browse for your MiscData.txt and import it. Do Final Step

Another Limit Thats Good to Remove The height limit of World Editor can be very annoying when making large buildings or many floors of terrain like in this map so to change the Height Limit do these steps. Close World Editor if open Open your Warcraft III directory (C:/Program Files/Warcraft III/) Backup War3x.mpq (copy it and paste it somewhere) Open your MPQ editor and open up the archive War3x.mpq in your Warcraft folder, not the backup, and use the "Native Listfile". You will see a bunch of folders come up, left click on the one titled "UI." Look over in the main window of the MPQ editor, and you will see a file titled "MiscData.txt," right click it and select "Export File". Save it somewhere and open it with your text editor, then find // Global height limits // 0 = low ground, each cliff level = 128 MaxHeight=1536 MinHeight=-128 Change the values accordingly going up shouldn't be a problem because you already got 12 levels to work with but going down is a nice thing to adjust, make sure its a multiple of 128 Save text file and go back to the MPQ Editor and delete the MiscData.txt in there, then right click on the side with all the files, not folders, then left click the option "Add file(s)" and browse for your MiscData.txt and import it. Do Final Step

Final Step Repeat entire process using War3.mpq

Files to Read If you are looking for more limits to break here are some files you might want to look at, there is some comments on what the values do in the text files. "WorldEditorData.txt"

Maybe I should make a tutorial haha.

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Map Update Fixes: I can pass to some of the mountains I move into try blocking it with some more pathing blockers Fixed, I think xD "Waygate" buildings doesn't have any creep camps Wasn't sure I wanted creeps on both sides, a lot of creeps for a 2 player map, but I added them. Thought About: I would say having more in the starting ones will be better Decided against it, mainly because it was a 2 player map and I wanted to have an expansion to be necessary; more gold in the main base would encourage going for 1 base builds. Not Happening: try making it smaller a bit The waygate system is designed to make the map smaller as they are opened up to more free movement by killing the central creeps, and the expansions are taking; with the development of each players expansion base the front of the battlefield should be shifted to that area, because it is so close by, thanks to waygates, and the deciding factor of the game will be who can hold their expo.

Epic post much?

 

[MrStormyZ]

Cliff limits without using any tools

Things you need Any MPQ Editor I use MPQ Master Any text editor

Steps Close World Editor if open Open your Warcraft III directory (C:/Program Files/Warcraft III/) Backup War3x.mpq (copy it and paste it somewhere) Open your MPQ editor and open up the archive War3x.mpq in your Warcraft folder, not the backup, and use the "Native Listfile". You will see a bunch of folders come up, left click on the one titled "UI." Look over in the main window of the MPQ editor, and you will see a file titled "MiscData.txt," right click it and select "Export File". Save it somewhere and open it with your text editor, then find Change the "MaxSlope = 50" to "MaxSlope = 90." Save text file and go back to the MPQ Editor and delete the MiscData.txt in there, then right click on the side with all the files, not folders, then left click the option "Add file(s)" and browse for your MiscData.txt and import it. Do Final Step

Another Limit Thats Good to Remove The height limit of World Editor can be very annoying when making large buildings or many floors of terrain like in this map so to change the Height Limit do these steps. Close World Editor if open Open your Warcraft III directory (C:/Program Files/Warcraft III/) Backup War3x.mpq (copy it and paste it somewhere) Open your MPQ editor and open up the archive War3x.mpq in your Warcraft folder, not the backup, and use the "Native Listfile". You will see a bunch of folders come up, left click on the one titled "UI." Look over in the main window of the MPQ editor, and you will see a file titled "MiscData.txt," right click it and select "Export File". Save it somewhere and open it with your text editor, then find Change the values accordingly going up shouldn't be a problem because you already got 12 levels to work with but going down is a nice thing to adjust, make sure its a multiple of 128 Save text file and go back to the MPQ Editor and delete the MiscData.txt in there, then right click on the side with all the files, not folders, then left click the option "Add file(s)" and browse for your MiscData.txt and import it. Do Final Step

Final Step Repeat entire process using War3.mpq

Files to Read If you are looking for more limits to break here are some files you might want to look at, there is some comments on what the values do in the text files. "WorldEditorData.txt"

Maybe I should make a tutorial haha.

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Map Update Fixes: Fixed, I think xD Wasn't sure I wanted creeps on both sides, a lot of creeps for a 2 player map, but I added them. Thought About: Decided against it, mainly because it was a 2 player map and I wanted to have an expansion to be necessary; more gold in the main base would encourage going for 1 base builds. Not Happening: The waygate system is designed to make the map smaller as they are opened up to more free movement by killing the central creeps, and the expansions are taking; with the development of each players expansion base the front of the battlefield should be shifted to that area, because it is so close by, thanks to waygates, and the deciding factor of the game will be who can hold their expo.

Epic post much?

wow thanks ^^

 

[-Kobas-]

Just replace your MiscData.txt with this one.

 

[-Kobas-]

Hmmmm, bottom left gold mine has 1 gold

Please remove trees, fix pathing ground and then place tress next to each other