Reservoir of Cenarius 1.3

[mafe]

Apologies for the long delay until this review.

So what to say? I like the general layout and it is quite a sensible way to include boats. But the map gives the impression that it is only 80% done. More spcifically:
1. The terrain in terms of tiles and smoothness is not polished. In many locations there are squares of different tiles which looks both lazy and unntural.
2. On the other hand the terrace on the sides are a nice touch, it's just that they won't be seen ingame...
3. While creeps and items are balanced, there are too many creeps that will attack player units unintenationally (at the shops and expansion).
4. Some murlocs at the merc camps are facing in "weird" directions.
5. The markets can ba accessed without killing/aggroin the creeps.
6. AoW-creepign seems pointless, the 2-2-2 trolls are barely worth it and anything else is hard to reach.
7. There could be maybe another green spot per player, but that can be debated.
8. There are very few creepcamps that can be contested early on.

So overall: I'd really like you to improve on 3, and possibly also some other improvements with respect to the other stuff I mentioned. Therefore mpa set to Awaiting Update.

 

[SlushyJones]

Apologies for the long delay until this review.

So what to say? I like the general layout and it is quite a sensible way to include boats. But the map gives the impression that it is only 80% done. More spcifically:
1. The terrain in terms of tiles and smoothness is not polished. In many locations there are squares of different tiles which looks both lazy and unntural.
2. On the other hand the terrace on the sides are a nice touch, it's just that they won't be seen ingame...
3. While creeps and items are balanced, there are too many creeps that will attack player units unintenationally (at the shops and expansion).
4. Some murlocs at the merc camps are facing in "weird" directions.
5. The markets can ba accessed without killing/aggroin the creeps.
6. AoW-creepign seems pointless, the 2-2-2 trolls are barely worth it and anything else is hard to reach.
7. There could be maybe another green spot per player, but that can be debated.
8. There are very few creepcamps that can be contested early on.

So overall: I'd really like you to improve on 3, and possibly also some other improvements with respect to the other stuff I mentioned. Therefore mpa set to Awaiting Update.

Dear Mafe,

Thank you for the review. I have made some changes that I think will improve the map as a whole, specifically based on your feedback as well as the feedback of people I have played it with.

1. I spent some time trying to make all of the textures look more natural. There are much less square shaped patches of each texture now, and those patches of grass and such have been made into different looking shapes to be more natural.
3. I have moved the creeps near these camps closer to the building they are guarding. For the Gold Mines, I have moved back the furbolgs so that hopefully they will be less aggressive. As for the spiders at the merchant, the ensnare will be difficult to avoid. I might change this in the future if the problem persists.
4. The murlocs are now facing natural directions along with the rest of the creeps at the camp.
5. I replaced a level 2 creep at the old Marketplace with a level 2 Mud Golem. The Mud Golem doesn't sleep, so hopefully this golem will wake up the other creeps at the camp if someone tries to shop at the Marketplace without clearing the camp first.
6. I added another green creep camp with Level 6, and upgraded the previous trolls to Level 9. Additionally, I upgraded the Murlocs from Level 10 to Level 13. Now Night Elf players can use AoW to creep the level 9 camp and get a Level 2 Permanent, where in the past they could only creep a Level 6 camp and get a Level 1 Permanent.
7. The people I played with also suggested that another green camp would be a good idea. With the addition of a new green camp and the upgrade on some of the existing camps, there are more total creeps for players to capture.
8. Unfortunately this problem is mostly untouched. I suppose with the new camp an aggressive hero like Death Knight or Blademaster could try to harass the opponent while they are on their 2nd green camp. The camps with the most potential for fighting are probably the Mercenary Camps in the center.

As for the future, I think the map is much better now, but I'll do some testing about if the spider problem needs to be fixed.

Thanks,
SlushyJones

 

[Ralle]

Hey SlushyJones,

Apparently we had a bug where updated resources/maps wouldn't be set back to pending. Can you try updating the map now to see if the bug is fixed?

 

[SlushyJones]

Hey SlushyJones,

Apparently we had a bug where updated resources/maps wouldn't be set back to pending. Can you try updating the map now to see if the bug is fixed?

Dear Ralle,

Sure thing! I saved a new version of the map labelled 1.51 and uploaded it.

Thanks,
SlushyJones

 

[mafe]

So, let's see:
1. Some improvements, yes. Still room for more though.
3. Expansions seem better now, but shop creeps are still potentially very annoying.
4. is fixed.
5. is fixed.
6. AoW-creeping is now possibly with acceptable rewards, good.
7. Green camp has been added. While they also can attack player units by accident, it's not big deal since they deal little damage.
8. still exists, but it is no must-have. There are other maps which work despite having few or even no "contested" creecamps.

Regarding the new creeps and items, they are mostly fine. Only the rewards at the harbours are underwhelming, with only powerups and no "real" item. The glyph actually I dont mind it here. I imagine in most games it wont be a factor anyway.

Given the general improvements, the map is no good enough to be approved. However this doesnt mean that you should stop making further updates, even though I will probably not look at them, unless you explicitly ask me to