Next Techtree Contest?

[Skycraft]

Anyone interested in having another of these?
If you are post your suggestions and discuss the theme in the comments!

 

[Pharaoh_]

I think it should be free themed, just another alteration of the current ones, because most people did not comprehend the goals of the previous one.

 

[Malcous]

I wanna make a Draenei race <3

Gogo host it Pharaoh D

 

[Pharaoh_]

Sure, no problem. Let's see if there are people interested in this first :]

 

[Skycraft]

I'm open to any theme really
Free themed sounds good! Now all we need is more people

 

[Skycraft]

Bumping for justice.

 

[Malcous]

Just host it , people will come , believe me

 

[Skycraft]

There is no use hosting it if there is not enough people supporting the idea.

 

[Malcous]

Well , nobody pays attendion to the submission forum

 

[Dionesiist]

Choosing a theme for this kind of contest is really difficult.

 

[Skycraft]

That's true, but as Pharaoh_ has suggested we can do free themed unless someone else brings another idea that people like.

 

[Malcous]

a possible theme would be factions & organizations

for example : Argent Dawn , Twilights Hammer , Kirin Tor etc

but free themed is better in my opinion

 

[Direfury]

Medieval armies?

Like mobile, tent-dwelling Barbarian Hordes, geared towards assaults and Royal Forces, castle workers/builders and soldiers with a startoff permanent residence.

 

[Skycraft]

Bumping thread for justice.

 

[Pharaoh_]

I would normally create the thread to initiate it, but hero contest seems to have great attention and people might want to join both of them. It will be delayed a bit.

 

[Skycraft]

Let's wait until Late July/August.

 

[Pharaoh_]

It's already July
I'll build the thread in one week from now.

 

[Skycraft]

I meant Late July silly Pharaoh_!
But alright that's cool too.

 

[Wraithling]

I'm not planning to join the next one, but I'd like to make several observations:

A free theme is all fun, but a little theme that isn't too constricting would be even better IMHO, if most of the contestants can agree on one. I remembered wc3c's Race Building Contest #2 had a fun theme like The Ultimate Unit, where each race needs to have a single high tier unit that represents the pinnacle power of the race. (or something like that)

So how about a simple public vote on themes (one should be able also to vote for 'no themes') and see what the potential contestants would like to make?

 

[Skycraft]

That's the idea of this thread, we want to get as many ideas as possible before we start the poll on what the contest is going to be built around.

 

[Wraithling]

Then here's one:

I nominate that we shamelessly copy wc3c's Ultimate Unit idea as a possible theme. Fun to make while still leaving much freedom for the rest of the race. Just watch out if/when 67chrome decides to join though

 

[monkeypieman9]

try a cataclysm race... im interested and may submit.

 

[Sage Chow]

Hi all, just stopping by. I've quit mapping for a while; but I may join with a little race if I can find the time

@Wraithling: I like the idea for a fit-for-all theme; maybe you could illustrate it a bit more. Could I just make a 3000 hp dragon with a powerfull attack and say: "Look, there's your ultimate unit; build this and you win the game."
Alternatively, we could highlight a different unit; how about a 'versatile base unit' instead? This could be a melee, ranged, caster, worker or combination; the ideal submission would build the techtree around this unit. Ideas: changing weapon; doubling as a harvster, loading in buildings/siege weapons, mounting beasts, morphing, upgrading, defend, using special items, boosting other troops, recipient of certain buff or sporting a key ability.

Random other idea: I would really love to revamp my Icetroll race for a contest. We could hold a veteran race building contest where everyone would be allowed to use the full extent of their resources for a change. Everybody here has mapped for quite some time now, and there won't be many more contests to come. Maybe a map should be posted as a WIP containing the stuff before the contest. This would attract a whole different crowd, too.

I'm not a fan of a poll deciding what theme to pick. Let people put some solid arguments/ideas here, instead of mindlessly clicking a button. The host should get the final pick.

Observation from last contest: We need more time! I was working round the clock to finish my map last time; maybe we should get two months this time? Oh, and the poll could do a little more than make up for 0.5% of the final mark.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Second idea: That would attract people with resources and obviously not everyone has stood up to that in the past.

I guess the main rule could be custom resources, so as to avoid the classic gold and lumber. With this rule implemented, people can form the map themselves, based on a pre-existing one.

2 months is a bit too much, but 1.5 month is decent enough I guess.

 

[Sage Chow]

^^ Don't take the second idea too seriously. I was day-dreaming =P

Custom resources could be cool challenge; but enabling us to alter the map should require some clear boundaries. I was thinking a naval race with oil-rigs, or a factory with junkyards. I'm afraid I'd create another game.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Don't be afraid to offer a whole new experience, I in fact rewarded those ones that were brave enough to add extra features.

 

[Wraithling]

Yo peeps, some good points raised.

@Sage Chow: Hey, nice to hear from you again Unfortunately I'm not sure if I am able to illustrate what an ultimate unit should or shouldn't have. But I think basically it up to each person's creative interpretation. For your example, I'm sure the dragon would still be a feasible ultimate unit despite its overpowered stats, if let's say it were to take an hour to train. Aside from stats, a nice ultimate unit would be one that boosts our race's core features, like if your previous elves race had an ultimate unit that creates all four day/night cycle and weather at the same time. A game winner in any form, even one that doesn't necessarily has to involve in too much combat.

Veteran mapping could work too I guess, though I'd like to see some strict guidelines on it. On the other hand how would it accommodate possible contestants who does not have a previous race map (or a discontinued map)?

I'm ok too with if we pick a theme (or make it theme-less) without a poll, just need a little thread arbiter here to slam his hammer now and then while shouting 'motion denied!'.

And I've no opinion with the time frame. A shorted time would be great if we're not making a full-race contest, and something longer for a more full fledged one.

@Pharaoh: 'avoid the classic gold and lumber' as in the contest not being tied down to the original blizzard style of doing things? :S

 

[Sage Chow]

So Wraithling, what's this nonsence of you not joining the contest? We could do with some serious competition! =P

For 'Ultimate Unit' I would add some ground rules; deducted from your example: The unit must have synergy with the basic units; the unit should underline the aesthetic theme of the race and the unit should be balanced by the techtree (So even if it's massively overpowered, it still needs special buildings, upgrades and other units to properly support/use it.) I think this theme will be great for a shortened tech-tree.

The veteran mapping could be balanced by adding a rule for custom resources; a reworked map must have a certain percentage of custom (self generated?) models or skins. Penalty points for tooltip errors and icons could be doubled; optimized code, quality over quantity etc.

The custom resource gives me a lot of cool idea's; but they all seem to border between a techtree and a full mapping contest. How would you challenge the other races? We could mellow it down and just modify the gathering aspect; like ghostthruster's turtles, wraithling's shop or freezing/haunting a goldmine for example.

 

[Pharaoh_]

Decide on the theme, before I set up the contest thread. At least suggest some, so that I make a poll beforehand.

 

[Skycraft]

Make a new thread with a poll for the ideas we have now, or should I just attach a poll to this thread?

 

[Pharaoh_]

Do it yourself in this thread, let's prevent spamming.

 

[Skycraft]

For some reason I'm unable to :/
I'll just make a new thread instead and ask this one to be closed.

EDIT: New thread up.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/contest-submission-233/next-techtree-contest-poll-199722/

 

[Joe-black-5]

Closed by op request.