New feature: "Downvoter List"

[Darky29]

As all of you already know its possible to see how many times a person has voted and what he has voted.
But its not possible to see for what resources he voted (privacy)
example:
http://wc3sear.ch/?p=Profile&u=1297

I consider people who vote more than 60% of their total votes a "1" to be downvoters.
I made a list who shows all people with more than 60% voted a 1.
http://wc3sear.ch/memberlist.php
Scroll down that page to check for the downvoters.
People who abuses the rating system for voting everything down will get their votes deleted and got strip of the ability to vote resources.

 

[The_Raven]

...but half of those people have only rated once.

~The_Raven

 

[Darky29]

It shows those with 60% of their votes being a 1.
If they only voted once a 1 they are on that list (because they have 100% of their votes to be a 1).
If they vote a second resource with something other than a 1 they instantly get removed from the list (because they are then at 50%)
But actually they are not very interresting. The interresting ones are those > 10 or 20 votes of 1

 

[U.V]

but if someone have voted 1/5 once and then got his ability to vote stripped, how will he fix that?

 

[Nightmare17]

This is a great idea, which limits the annoyingly negative folks greatly. Way to go Darky.

 

[Darky29]

but if someone have voted 1/5 once and then got his ability to vote stripped, how will he fix that?

I only strip abusers...
1 vote is not abused

 

[armel]

A better way to see which members are downvoters would be to calculate a score : for instance, if Sc is the score, use this formula:
Sc = (nb(1)+2nb(2)+3nb(3)+4nb(4)+5nb(5))/nb(votes)
Then set a threshold under which people are downvoters, and say that, for instance, this can only apply to people who have voted more than 5 times (like a ressource's votes only show when there are more than 5 ratings), and you have your downvoters.
You could also use:
Sc = (nb(1)^2+2nb(2)^2+3nb(3)^2+4nb(4)^2+5nb(5)^2)/nb(votes)
to increase the discrimination between downvoters and others. You'd however need to use a threshold that would be function of nb(votes).
Don't know if it helps or gives headache

 

[Falitian]

Too many numbers too many numbers!!!!

But i do think that this is a good idea because it forces people who only vote on bad submissions to vote and comment on good ones too

 

[Tommi]

Huh, Cookie's a downvoter?

 

[acolyteofdoom]

yea all of Cookie's votes are ones. Hey Darky, what about a highvoter list now, to see who votes they highest?

 

[Sopho]

Wow, amazing feature
So that was the noob who rated down things

 

[Lubbe]

i doesn't like this idea its like to put ppl on a hate list should be more private only for the moderators :|

 

[Sopho]

yea all of Cookie's votes are ones. Hey Darky, what about a highvoter list now, to see who votes they highest?

Not necessary. It would just make people rate more and some people don't want their resources to be rated. Its a downrater list that is good because thats everyone hates, a highrater list may not be needed

 

[VGsatomi]

With over 2700 members that would be a lot to browse through... :?

I agree with Sopho, a highest-rater list would give only people incentive to spam all the rescourses with 5's, even though they may not deserve it.

I'm glad action is being taken on this.

 

[Vexorian]

i doesn't like this idea its like to put ppl on a hate list should be more private only for the moderators :|

I think they deserve that, If you only vote 1 you aren't helping, If you feel like voting vote for every resource, both the good and the ones, cause we have good stuff here

 

[Roenegade]

ok, a downvoter list for the "1"-voters is good and nice, but whats about ppl who alwas vote a 2? they are still not on that list , and theyre downvoters too :roll:

 

[Lubbe]

Vexorian: How would you feel if you were on that list :roll: that wouldnt be so nice and every one can see the list PM you message that you a asshole and whatever you know what i mean

 

[Vexorian]

Vexorian: How would you feel if you were on that list :roll: that wouldnt be so nice and every one can see the list PM you message that you a asshole and whatever you know what i mean

I would feel dumb, but that's no problem cause I don't rate people's stuff with 1 for no reason

 

[Roenegade]

yeah, who gets on that list with more than 5 votes and 100% 1-votes IS a dumb... :evil:

if you dont want to be ont hat list: stop downvoting everything! and vote like a normal human, not like a 6 year old kiddie whos proud of his internet connection :!:

 

[Sundance]

I think that it is a good initiative.. But what happens to those no.1 votes they made?? Are they removed.. Last week I posted a post (lol) about a troll in the skin section.. in one day the top 5 changed becasue of 1 no.1 vote each!

Till now that hasn't been fixed. And I really think that should happen.. and NOT only because my skin was no2.. in rating

Anyway I really hope this will somewhat stop those silly childish people!

 

[Sopho]

1 vote of for one is 100% isn't dumb because thats their first choice...
2 is is low but a resource can really deserve a 2

 

[Sansui]

Im sory to say this but some of the top listed items were not very good and were only top listed because of the opposites of downvoters who I beleive are noobs aswell.

people with 60% 5s should also be listed as abusers I beleive I might be on that list...

But Maybe we could also make it so the authors cant vote for their own stuff.

 

[The_Raven]

I have over 60% 5's! I usually only vote the good resources so as to give those with bad resources a chance to improve.

I like being able to vote my own resources. However, I usually only use that vote to offset the downvoters.

To properly identify the downvoters (or upvoters), I think that it should be required of anybody who rates a resource to also post a comment. Even if the comment were left blank, the person's name would be recorded for everyone to see. The owner of the resource (or anybody else) could post the person's username on a publically accessable list. This way, an accurate downvoter list could be made.

~The_Raven

 

[Sopho]

But some users may not want to comment a resource

 

[The_Raven]

They could jusy write "n/a", but either way, the user's name would be recorded.

~The_Raven

 

[Sopho]

Thats abit dum... you expect the people who rate to say that hmmm

 

[Sundance]

Re: Sopho...

So what u r saying is that if a skin has 11 votes of which 3 4's and 8 5's all those who voted are opposites of downvoters; are NOOBS?!? ?! OMG.. That cannot be what u really meant can it?? It simply means that that particular skin is
a: Liked by many
b: useable for many
c: A good skin!

Maybe u don't like it but apparently many others do!.. Ok if the skin is rated a 5 by 10 just newly created accounts.. Yes that must ring a bell! But if the skin is rated 5's by many regular visitors.. .. better not call them noobs!

Anyway those skins suddenly got 1 or 2 times rated a 1.. thus dropping dramatically in the 'ladder'. U can't tell me that is perfectly normal!

I'm talking about several skins and 2 in particular.. Those 2 only got appraisels like: Heavenly; Bravo; Jeezus of CNP; WOW.. etc etc...

 

[Sopho]

No
I'm saying users don't have to comment when rating and should only have a list for ones, not twos

 

[Megaman_Zer0]

lol i did 5 times a 5
..............4 times a 4
..............3 times a 3
..............2 times a 2
..............1 times a 1

 

[Cookie]

Lol, nice. Though most of the 1 votes were given to absolutely crap uploads that were removed soon from the downloads. I only give a 1 if its a upload that is absolutely shit. Call me whatever you want anyways, thats how I tend to vote. The only thing that might be a taddifferent is that I usually dont bother with giving a 5 to good models, as I know that they are good and therefore i usually do not bother with giving it a vote (only rarely)

 

[Sundance]

Sorry Sopho,

that post was actually meant for SANSUI. Apparently a moderator.. who calls people noobs for voting a 5 as it is something HE did not like anyway..

I do agree though that some people vote a 5 too quickly.. as 5 out of 5 means perfect... and obviously that is not always the case.. actually when is something perfect.. ? ?

But if a skin recieves 8 no5 votes and mere appraisels of regular visitors.. u can't call it a bad skin!! And u definately can't call those voters noobs!

 

[Sansui]

Considering some of the skins that do get 8 5s i can call some the voters noobs.

And you dont understand that I was saying people who go around voteing 5 on every skin no matter quality are the same as downvoters.

And yes many people at this site that vote do not have the greatest idea of quality.
Most votes are just based on the authors name and the ss. It would be nice if people tested ingame.


Oh and Sundance it sounds like your **tching because your skins got downvoted. wait you cant call them yours they are 100% cnp they dont deserve above a 4.

 

[Sundance]

OMG!! :?: :?: :?: What is your problem!?!?!? Jeez...

Like I already said in other posts.. YES my skin was in there too and YES I really think it sucks to drop from the no2 spot in skinrating to no10.. but THAT is NOT the main reason for my post... More skins were downvoted so there was a troll!!! The entire top 5 changed because of that.. So I would think those votes would be removed like done in the spell section no matter if the skins are good or not. That was the reason for my so called **itching.

And if u think my skin is not that good talk to yer other moderators who let my CNP skin win this site's skin contest!!!! I'm not saying my skin is the best or whatever.. but a CNP can be just as good and timeconsuming as a free hand.. U try one and you know!.. and even though it is CNP it is MY skin as I made it..

Keep calling people who rate a good skin/CNP skin a 5 Noobs and they will visit this site more and more.. don't u think??

Lighten up... I'm not **itching, just telling u guys there was a troll.. and wondering if Darky's new thingy with the 60% rule also removes those 1 rates made by that/those particular person(s).

 

[Sansui]

No you directly called me out just because i said that people who go around rateing things 5 reguardeless of quality just as bad.

I have done CNP before and i can tell you it takes 100% less time than freehand.

And its not your skin since you did not make anypiece of it.

thats like takeing a map copying everything and changeing names and pasting it onto a blank map and saying you made it.

 

[Sundance]

NO I did NOT call u out because of your noob thingy! I'll explain once more:

U did not say that peope are noobs which go out rating things a 5 regardlessly.. U said: "Some of those top listed were not really good, they were only toplisted because of opposite posters."
My argument on that one was: If that skin gets 10 or more comments with only appraisels in them from REGULAR VISITORS you (Sansui) can say it is not a good skin (your words) but all THOSE people think it is a good/useable skin and YOU as a moderator think THEY are all noobs! That was the thing I was on about! I think that is not very nice/smart thing to say.

And I alreay asked if that was really what u meant.
quote: "That cannot be what u really meant can it??"

Look maybe I misunderstood your post.. But why then attack me on my CNP skin?? That is really silly making it something personal or something?? Weird thing to do for a moderator!!!! You could have tried to explain your argument a bit better instead of saying that that skin is not mine , takes 100% less time then freehand giving it a 1 and all that crap.. That particular skins has taken up more time then many, many freehands.. But u can't see that 'cause u somehow don't like CNP's period.. no matter how good or bad they are.. Again why attack me on that? Hasn't got anything to do with the whole matter!!

I already explained the reason for my post! The top 5 changed. Wether u think those skins were stupid/dumb CNP's or whatever.. MY ONLY QUESTION WAS: Are those 1 votes being removed with the 60% thingy of Darky!!! READ my post!!!! They should, even though the skins might be crap in your eyes!! If a bad skin has got 10 votes of a 2 and a downvoter gives it a 1.. that 1 still needs to be removed right? And again yes my skin was one of them.. but again that is not the mere reason for my post.

Just wanted to point out something. If someone makes a remark about one of your posts or questiones it (like I did) you don't need to go in the attack formation immediately.

 

[Sansui]

I beleive he awnsered you already and ive already explained myself to you sevral times. its not my fault you angry that your skins fell in rateing, and yes thats why your angry.

Another thing I dont go around trolling and calling people noobs. I help where and when I can, if the question has not been asked 5000 times.



Oh and when you put someones name in CAPS i really beleived you were starting something.
So what your saying if 10 people wanted to kill somebody but I thought that was wrong I must be wrong?

Maybe instead of **tching the younger skinners (I won't say noob because somehow that turned into an offensive word) should listen to the more experienced skinners.
If you wish to speak to me on this subject bring it to PM's

 

[Sundance]

I decided not to respond to your posts anymore.. but alas.... There comes another one of your attack mode posts.

Please read my post before answering. 'Cause they way u r reacting it seems u do not read the full content. Or if you do, you filter out those things (e.g. your name in Caps) that somehow trigger a bad reaction. Because I never said u go around and troll people and call everybody noobs. If you can show me where I said that u definately desereve a golden star. I only said that u call people noobs who give a skin u don't like a 5.

2 things..
If you play Warcraft u really should know that the word noob is one of the most commonly used words to set people off! So it did not 'somehow' turn into an offensive word. It has been one from day 1!!! But it definately did NOT set me off, I only said/asked if it was a smart thing to say! Really that is what it reads in my post. REALLY!

and Caps: that is just a way to draw attention to the word. Does NOT (<== good example) have to mean someone starts something. And even if I would have started something .. That 'something' was about your post.. Had nothing to do with the person you are or the things you had made! It had only somethig to do with the content of your post.. NOTHING personal about that! Oh your name was in caps 'cause I first said "Re:sopho" which was wrong. But you probably don't believe that.

I only was questioning your post about the noob word. I am not angry, not angry with you or whatever. You seem to think otherwise and there is nothing I can do about it I know. I just wanted to make myself clear but you simply do not see that.. And you probably think that this post is also an attack on you as a person. Well really it is NOT.

Oh and you said:" I beleive he awnsered you already and ive already explained myself to you sevral times" You did, but my question is after all these posts still not answered! Question still is: Will those downvotes be removed with Darky's 60% thingy???

And comparing a downvoter with a murderer, sorry that is beyond me. I cannot comprehend that. Must be my limited brain.

Really I won't ask you for advice as the skins I made sofar get good reactions (except for 1.. duhh its you. What a coincidence) so I must be doing something right even though you seem to think otherwise and like to tell me that more than once.

 

[Sopho]

Hey break this argument up
Sansui is a good skin moderator because of his skills in skinning. Hes been skinning for very long and knows whats best.
Because of his skills are so high, he may not recognise lower quality skins thats why hes abit " strict " on things.