Lumberbrawl 0.13

[Moderator]

18:53, 11th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Approved

 

[irock9645696]

Items are currently not used in this game, and will probably never be.

No items =.=" Very rare aos map wifout items

 

[dead-man-walking]

That's illegal, and it seems no one is really interested in the map itself.

As far as I know, WoW Icons are allowed to be used on Maps on Hive.

 

[Pigmassacre]

No items =.=" Very rare aos map wifout items

Well it's not really an AoS anyway... There's no creeping, jungling or farming.

 

[irock9645696]

Only way to go back is to die.

 

[Pigmassacre]

Only way to go back is to die.

It's not like there's anything for you to do in your base other than... hang around. It's there so you have a safespot before the game starts and after you've respawned after death. After you've entered the arena, you're in it until death. I don't see the problem?

 

[Druu]

no items, fight till death, arena, team play, what are we waiting for? Let's all download it.
I will for my part and see what's it like.

I wasn't being sarcastic, I really love no items game, it makes your character less of a
puzzle with missing pieces.

Edit:
Just tested it with Splashing
I liked the terrain, not too obstacled, I don't get why you'd want to capture points unless
it gives you more wood. But though, I think the points should look like Wood gathering.
You can add that only by making Lumbermill and peasants gathering wood from eternal
trees. And what about you can train some peasants with gold and if you lose the point
then the enemy team has everything you have invested in it and there your main
goal would be to retake it. Having no items is mostly a plus to me, I like it that way
as long as your heroes are balanced. I hope some of your heroes don't have cloak or
shadowmeld and still can cap the points. (I haven't tested it myself).
Make sure you don't have that rigged hero with all the good skills or at least make all
hero on that pattern.

Splashing looked cool but I had no targets to use its spells so I couldn't test it right.
I liked the way he was presented, all the spells are related to water and their icons
are all blue, there's no red and green that doesn't fit in. The map is a tad big to dl
online, I'd like you to reduce it like a lot, at least to half of its size unless it's totally
impossible without removing everything you put in.

To play on the internet you need two things, fast download and quick joining.
I for myself am never interested in joining a game with 5 ppl waiting to download
and it takes too long.

To brief this all, I give a 4/5 to this map, I like it. I'd like to play with more ppl.
We should do an Arena Party someday, pretty sure we'd have plenty of good times.

Druu

 

[Pigmassacre]

Druu, thanks so much for your feedback! I very, very much like your idea about making the capture points look more like places where lumber is gathered... I'll make sure to do something about it in the next update! Your point about making the points stronger is a really good one, I'll try to work it in. Could be awesome.
(Also yes, capture points do provide wood at the moment, the more points you have captured the more wood you get.)

I haven't added it yet, but I plan to make the capture points reveal invisible heroes that are in the circles of power.

I'll see if I can do something about the size of the map, I could probably bring it down abit by reducing the quality of some images. Should work fine.

Also, for single players testing you can type the command "-test". (The command is disabled if you don't type it in before the game begins, though).
It unlocks a few options, such as:
-respawn,
-dummy (spawns a dummy with 10000 health in the middle of your base),
-setlevel xx (where xx is the number you want all your heroes level set to)
-up (allows you to pick an unlimited number of heroes)
And when you press Escape your cooldowns are reset and life/mana is set to 100%.

A command that's always avalible is -ms, which shows your hero(es) movement speed.

Thanks again for your feedback, and yeah it would be great if we could gather some people together and play arena maps!

 

[Aesthetics]

As far as I know, WoW Icons are allowed to be used on Maps on Hive.

orly

 

[irock9645696]

the preview made me rofl

 

[Pigmassacre]

the preview made me rofl

I'm glad, it has that effect on people.

 

[Aesthetics]

I'm glad, it has that effect on people.

Hell yeah it has an effect. It looks more professional.

 

[kevlamin]

hmm i could have multiple heroes, is that normal?
also add a respawn

 

[Pigmassacre]

hmm i could have multiple heroes, is that normal?
also add a respawn

Hmm, no, not unless you typed -test then -up... I'll look into it.

Maybe I should mention it and add a leaderboard timer or something, but every thirty seconds counting from the games start all heroes are ressurected.

 

[Druu]

Maybe I should mention it and add a leaderboard timer or something, but every thirty seconds counting from the games start all heroes are ressurected.

Add it into your multi-board instead so you won't have to bother having that
countdown window. Just make sure every player knows that they need to wait
for that clock to turn 00 ou 30.

 

[kevlamin]

Hmm, no, not unless you typed -test then -up... I'll look into it.

well it happened even in multi player

 

[Pigmassacre]

Well I would like some more info since I cannot seem to reproduce the issue... How many players were there? What playercolor were you? Are you absolutely sure noone typed "-test"? That command currently works in multiplayer too, just for testing purposes.

I'm not able to access the code at the moment but perhaps I've forgotten to disable multiple heroes for everyone but blue... Could be, could be.

 

[Gantoris]

LOL.............. i have to say this about the damn trailer. Although its pure "lame" and doesn't describe much about the gameplay and stuff, IT IS SIMPLE AND IT ROCKS!
Not only the description of the game was great, it is defintely absolute in being the best trailer in attracting someone to play this game. Although I ain't a fan of hero arena etc etc, only interested in different cool gameplays.... like your cruiser command, i reckon this would be a fun map to play with for everyone else! MUST TRY

 

[Pigmassacre]

LOL.............. i have to say this about the damn trailer. Although its pure "lame" and doesn't describe much about the gameplay and stuff, IT IS SIMPLE AND IT ROCKS!
Not only the description of the game was great, it is defintely absolute in being the best trailer in attracting someone to play this game. Although I ain't a fan of hero arena etc etc, only interested in different cool gameplays.... like your cruiser command, i reckon this would be a fun map to play with for everyone else! MUST TRY

Hahaha thank you, I'm glad you liked it!

 

[irock9645696]

Aboce all if you update all those flaws your map should be approved soon

 

[Pigmassacre]

Aboce all if you update all those flaws your map should be approved soon

Which flaws do you mean exactly?

Alright, just a heads up for anyone who care. The next version will most likely include a new hero (something slightly pink... don't ask me why!) and I will rewrite the whole heropicking system. It's currently a mix of GUI/vJASS from when I didn't know JASS and when I learned it, so a major cleanup is in order! There will also ofcourse be bugfixes and small stuff that I'm bothered by, typos and such.

well it happened even in multi player

Aight, found the bug and squashed it. Pretty silly reason why it ever occured, but oh well!

 

[kevlamin]

yay =) ill try new ver
Edit: i still dont respawn if i die =\ could it be cause there was more than 1 person was dead at one time??

 

[lichxing]

Looks cool Thumbs Up! Did you use ''Capture Control Point System 1.0'' by LSI.Foley ?
Or did you do the ''Control system'' all by your self. If you did use that give credit

He wrote: Enjoy, and please give credit if you choose to use the system!

 

[Pigmassacre]

Looks cool Thumbs Up! Did you use ''Capture Control Point System 1.0'' by LSI.Foley ?
Or did you do the ''Control system'' all by your self. If you did use that give credit

Thanks for the good word and the thumbs up, I really appreciate it!

And no, I did not use that system. I coded it all by myself, it was kinda my own challenge to see if I could accomplish it. When I began working on the map my JASS / vJASS knowledge was basically zero, but over a few months I managed to learn it and it all came down to what's in this map. If you want to see the code I'll be happy to provide it, just ask!

The only systems I'm using are Vexorians xe-system and modules, Rising_Dusk's knockback system, JST by emjlr3, Table, TerrainPathability, UnitIndexingUtils, GroupUtils, LastOrder, BoundSentinel and TimerUtils. Most of them are only needed for the knockback system, but oh well!

yay =) ill try new ver
Edit: i still dont respawn if i die =\ could it be cause there was more than 1 person was dead at one time??

:S I'll check it out. Wow, lol. I found the problem. I was creating a new variable to store the trigger in, when what I really wanted was to store it to an already created variable.

Alright, finally fixed it. Fixing it also brought up a ton of bugs and errors that had been made earlier, and they have now been corrected. See changelog for details!

Edit: Meh, seems like there's a bug with the levels on the Command and Devotion auras. They're easy to fix but I'm going to bed now, I'll fix them tomorrow.

Alright, version 0.10 is up!

Edit yet again!:

0.11 is soon to be released, it's pretty huge. I found a TON of gamebreaking bugs and less gamebreaking ones while building this patch, and I've graduated from school so that's why I've not been more active. However, expect 0.11 sometime this week.

Some changes made in 0.11: Remade abilities, buffs and nerfs, a new hero (Princess!) and overall improvements.

 

[ZXavier88Z]

you know.... it's really hurting to me that there's no creeping,farming,items, just upgrades and capturing?..... You Dun wanna know how I'm hurt

 

[Druu]

Hey dude, I REALLLY like Pink the princess! wow, she rocks so much. Yet I only tested 2
heroes and I LOVE this map. This truely deserve 5 thumps up.

Some minor things are to improve though.
I'm sure that in a multiplayer map the mana is a real problem, you don't want to use that
mana too quickly so you end up doing mostly nothing. The fun factor is reduced by the
lack of mana regen. I suggest you to either reduce the mana cost of your heroes OR to
increase the mana regen on the heroes. If you have one of them with brilliance aura.
Don't worry about BOOSTING it so it really recharges the mana VERY quickly. You might
say this would lead to imbalance, right? Well, not really because it is an aura. In fact, to
use that aura, the members would need to ball and stay together leaving 3 shrines
unprotected.

That's my point of view because I saw Pink which is an healer/support hero having that
ultimate eating half of her energy. I don't know if you play or know about Magic: the
gathering. But if you do, check what the highest player plays. They usually go for the
low cost cards with mederate power rather than having those uber cards with way too
much mana cost.

Oh and, you didn't add the lumber mill + peasants yet, I'm still waiting to see that

 

[Pigmassacre]

You make a good point about mana. I did increase the amount of mana given by Intelligence I believe this patch, or maybe it was a few patches ago. Anywho, yes, I agree that it sucks when you run out of mana too fast. I will make some changes in regards to this (probably increase the amount of mana regen added by intelligence and/or increase the amount of base mana).

About the brilliance aura, maybe I could make Lord of Flames's passive affect allies too? Because right now it's a brilliance aura that affects only him. I will think about it.

Thank you for your kind words about the Princess! I'm so glad you like her, I have to say I am quite pleased with how she came to be.

Also, don't worry, the next patch (0.12) will be a simple bugfix/small additions patch but for the patch after that I have a big, big change planned. So yes, you will most likely see the lumber mill and peasants make an appearance.

Another idea I just got that might be interesting: control points provide small area of effect bonuses? Like one control point granting manaregen, one granting damage, one armor and so on? Might be interesting, might be worthless. I might try it out.

 

[Druu]

Another idea I just got that might be interesting: control points provide small area of effect bonuses? Like one control point granting manaregen, one granting damage, one armor and so on? Might be interesting, might be worthless. I might try it out.

I though about it, but it should be like this. One point should give Command Aura
or maybe just attack speed and the other side gives some Defense to "counter"
the damage buff.

On the other sides, they should grant the same effect like Mana Regen so they
won't stack and won't give a big advantage to the other team.

 

[Pigmassacre]

I like that idea. I like it alot. I have increased the amount of mana given by intelligence and the amount of mana regen, while greatly increasing the amount of base mana and mana regen every hero has. I've fiddled with this abit and found a good ground that I like.

I will implement your suggestions for the next patch, which will probably go up sometime tomorrow. Most likely.

 

[Druu]

I have been so impressed with 2 heroes yet that I need to see them all now I'm trying
them and I'll tell you what I think of 'em.

Fel Hunter

Looks strong, I like the offensive spells he has, Runs in by doing damage, then
exploses the hell out of everyone and starts attacking. (I don't know if the main attack is
pulverise or Bash, but I'd suggest you to use Pulverize. You'd lose the stun effect but gain
a AoE damage effect)

Troll

I found a bug, when you're checking the Abilities, they have the description of being
used this way Q, Q, W, R but when learning, they are well describe which is QWER. As for
the skills, isn't brainstorming dealing damage to himself and allies? For sure 6 seconds
stun would be OP if your team mates wouldn't be, but what if they don't receive damage
and they get healed instead? Wouldn't that be better. He's already a support caster
with 2 nukes (which I can't see in action because of no opponent). I think the heal could
be less then 50 but it'd be still pretty good.
I found another bug with that hero, brainstorm is lasting indefinately [as a buff only] when
used.
Bug found, the Random creeps actually bounces back to the previous target.

Gargoyle

Wow, what a great support hero again, it steals life and give it back and also
support heal with petrified. The only thing I think is wrong is Deaf = Silence. No matter
what, I LIKE the silence effect, but I think it is the buff name that is wrong, maybe
it could deaf people out creating "Confusion" which leads to disrupting the casting.
All in all, I like it, your heroes seems to follow this pattern. 2 Nukes which one is powerful
and the other one is afflicting a condition like stun, poison, slows, silence. 1 Support/heal
and 1 random depending on the character. That's epic
Bug found, all Gargoyle's spell description says W to activate spells.

Hassassin

is just perfect. He IS the signification of an Assassin, he truely passionnate
for torture. And with everything he has in his bags, he still is able to support and nuke.
[By the way, I tested the stealth and capping and it worked, I don't know if you want
to do something about it except for putting detection to towers]

Kodo Rider

has some abilities that aren't synergizing, I like the "I'm gonna rush" for that
fleeing unit and net it until your allies come but it should then last longer or it should be
like they can't attack/cast while they are in there and when they get out they are still
somewhat slowed down. This is what I think, compared to other spells I've seen, it is not
THAT strong and THAT supportive. Rush is cool but again, I'll let you see it from another
point of view. I see it more that way, when the Kodo is rushing, the orc should be holding
tight for not to fall, so his attack speed should be slow down. When the kodo is tired,
they both are in a situation where they are vulnerable so the orc would have more
adrenaline, increasing its attack speed by 50%. So Rush would be Increase movement
speed by X and decreases attack speed by 50%. Tired being 50% decreased movement
speed and 50% increased attack speed. Now there would be some synergy between
rush and net. You'd rush to the target, net it wait until your kodo is tired and shoot the
axes out of him "procing" your drums of war effect faster. Rampage is a good idea but it
could be synergizing with the other spells. I still say it's a good mechanic though the
poping units knocking them away. That has to be something to see in an Arena match!

Pandaren

At first I was like, what the hell is he spec in. Well, a good debuff applier but
it requires people to stand in mobs, the only thing I'd fear with this guy is to have the
enemies spread across de map giving the pandaren nothing to do except for trying to
solo some units with not so much damage but a formidable tanking ability. I really like
the way you planned it. I think you should make something like this, when he does that
frightening scream. Every enemy heroes should aim for him, like a taunt but it's so easy
for a player to just switch target back so here's the trick. Either you piss yourself trying
to make a trigger that will force opponent to attack him or!! you make a dummy cast
the Invulnerable Shield the troll has in the orc race at the position of Pendaren so all
allies [except for pendaren] are invulnerable.
Here's bug, Earthen Protection descriptions says to learn it is Q but it works on E

The lich guy

has some superb mechanic but I fear it to be OP with 50 evasion, 50 reduced
damage against magic and that ultimate that regens him so fast. I absolutely love Guit
but I think that one thing is wrong about it and I don't know if you thought that this could
be wrong. I noticed that most of your heroes use "non-targeting" spells making the lich
guy useless against those heroes.

The shaman

has 1 good mechanic and I think you didn't used it at its best. Here's the
deal, you can't target with your orb of lightning, you have to place yourself truely well.
I think you should do the exact same thing with the fire breath. Purge is a very good
skill when used in an arena and hero including battles. But here you should change that
skill to something "synergizing" with other spells. Drunken thingy that is used with fire
breath should be something to use. [You can still use that Purge ability but add the
drunken into it.] The wolf form comes out of nowhere I like the fact that you used the
wolf he has on his head but I'm sure you can find a better spell to fit this ultimate or
maybe add something unique to the wolf like companions or maybe just get the skill to
do different actions depending of your target. Lightning and Fire oriented spell would be
required as that's what you used in the first 3 spells.

the flame piggy

I just saw the text I wrote above within this hero. I think this one should
be merged with the shaman. Just use its ultimate on the shaman and you have one
impressive hero. Also, the summons at level 5 are so usable to just surround an ennemy
hero and make it impossible for him to escape. You should fix this.

Splash

the most excellent support healer. He can spec in shut down or in support mana
or in protection and finally OR in healing, I really like it so much. Splash's shield spell has
a glitch where it doesn't show the shield's effect.

So this is my review of your heroes.

Have a good day!
Druu

 

[Pigmassacre]

Thanks for the feedback on all heroes! I'll begin by answering them in order.

I have been so impressed with 2 heroes yet that I need to see them all now I'm trying
them and I'll tell you what I think of 'em.

Fel Hunter

Looks strong, I like the offensive spells he has, Runs in by doing damage, then
exploses the hell out of everyone and starts attacking. (I don't know if the main attack is
pulverise or Bash, but I'd suggest you to use Pulverize. You'd lose the stun effect but gain
a AoE damage effect)

Hmm, yes, that does sound like a good idea. I will probably do that for the next patch. (Pulverize)

Troll

I found a bug, when you're checking the Abilities, they have the description of being
used this way Q, Q, W, R but when learning, they are well describe which is QWER. As for
the skills, isn't brainstorming dealing damage to himself and allies? For sure 6 seconds
stun would be OP if your team mates wouldn't be, but what if they don't receive damage
and they get healed instead? Wouldn't that be better. He's already a support caster
with 2 nukes (which I can't see in action because of no opponent). I think the heal could
be less then 50 but it'd be still pretty good.
I found another bug with that hero, brainstorm is lasting indefinately [as a buff only] when
used.
Bug found, the Random creeps actually bounces back to the previous target.

The tooltip bug (all tooltip bugs I can find) will be fixed for next patch. Also yes, Brainstorm does target allied heroes too. The point of it is to provide some thinking time for everyone, and deal some damage too. I might reduce the amount of damage done and make it a damage for enemies and heal for allies. I'll fix the debuff bug.

Also yes, I should probably reword the tooltip or make it so it doesn't, but as for now the spell does work as planned. All the tooltip really means now is that a target cannot be the target of the directly adjacent hex. But if two people stand next to each other they're meant to be disabled like what happens currently.

Gargoyle

Wow, what a great support hero again, it steals life and give it back and also
support heal with petrified. The only thing I think is wrong is Deaf = Silence. No matter
what, I LIKE the silence effect, but I think it is the buff name that is wrong, maybe
it could deaf people out creating "Confusion" which leads to disrupting the casting.
All in all, I like it, your heroes seems to follow this pattern. 2 Nukes which one is powerful
and the other one is afflicting a condition like stun, poison, slows, silence. 1 Support/heal
and 1 random depending on the character. That's epic
Bug found, all Gargoyle's spell description says W to activate spells.

Good point about the silence buff name, I will reconsider it. I'll also fix the tooltip bug, ofcourse.

Hassassin

is just perfect. He IS the signification of an Assassin, he truely passionnate
for torture. And with everything he has in his bags, he still is able to support and nuke.
[By the way, I tested the stealth and capping and it worked, I don't know if you want
to do something about it except for putting detection to towers]

Ah yes, maybe I should make it more clear. He might stay invisible when in a circle of power, but he is clearly visible for everyone. I have two invisible true sight units, one for each team, at each circle of power. I'm not sure about the AoE but I think it's like 250, 300. So you will see invisible opponents trying to capture a point.

Kodo Rider

has some abilities that aren't synergizing, I like the "I'm gonna rush" for that
fleeing unit and net it until your allies come but it should then last longer or it should be
like they can't attack/cast while they are in there and when they get out they are still
somewhat slowed down. This is what I think, compared to other spells I've seen, it is not
THAT strong and THAT supportive. Rush is cool but again, I'll let you see it from another
point of view. I see it more that way, when the Kodo is rushing, the orc should be holding
tight for not to fall, so his attack speed should be slow down. When the kodo is tired,
they both are in a situation where they are vulnerable so the orc would have more
adrenaline, increasing its attack speed by 50%. So Rush would be Increase movement
speed by X and decreases attack speed by 50%. Tired being 50% decreased movement
speed and 50% increased attack speed. Now there would be some synergy between
rush and net. You'd rush to the target, net it wait until your kodo is tired and shoot the
axes out of him "procing" your drums of war effect faster. Rampage is a good idea but it
could be synergizing with the other spells. I still say it's a good mechanic though the
poping units knocking them away. That has to be something to see in an Arena match!

I totally agree with you on the Net skill. Funny thing, that skill was actually designed when Lumberbrawl wasn't called Lumberbrawl and this was supposed to be an AoS. I'll see if I can improve it so it's more fitting and fun.

And wow, thanks so much for the idea about Rush! I actually totally agree, that makes way more sense.

Yeah, I'll wait and see what/if something should be done about Rampage until there's been some games going.

Pandaren

At first I was like, what the hell is he spec in. Well, a good debuff applier but
it requires people to stand in mobs, the only thing I'd fear with this guy is to have the
enemies spread across de map giving the pandaren nothing to do except for trying to
solo some units with not so much damage but a formidable tanking ability. I really like
the way you planned it. I think you should make something like this, when he does that
frightening scream. Every enemy heroes should aim for him, like a taunt but it's so easy
for a player to just switch target back so here's the trick. Either you piss yourself trying
to make a trigger that will force opponent to attack him or!! you make a dummy cast
the Invulnerable Shield the troll has in the orc race at the position of Pendaren so all
allies [except for pendaren] are invulnerable.
Here's bug, Earthen Protection descriptions says to learn it is Q but it works on E

I'll fix the bug.

Yes, I really agree with you on how he does seem a little lackluster. Maybe I could do something like increase the effect on his aoe debuff and make it do the opposite effect on allies in radius? And well, perhaps I could even make it so it instead of just applying the effects they follow the panda around, making him an annoying tank that needs to be focused?

Either that or a direct taunt. I'll see what I will do. Thank you so much for the feedback!

The lich guy

has some superb mechanic but I fear it to be OP with 50 evasion, 50 reduced
damage against magic and that ultimate that regens him so fast. I absolutely love Guit
but I think that one thing is wrong about it and I don't know if you thought that this could
be wrong. I noticed that most of your heroes use "non-targeting" spells making the lich
guy useless against those heroes.

Hmm yes, maybe I should scale his Frostshroud a little bit? Maybe make it 20/25/30/35/40 Evasion and 20/25/30/35/40 Magic Resistance? And reduce the awesome cooldown scaling so he doesn't have these effects every 5 seconds.

About Guilt, yes, I understand that's a problem. Currently though, the trigger works so that if a spell is a "non-targeting" spell, it does cast that spell anyway. So say I Guilt Princess and she casts her ultimate to get rid of it, suddenly there's a another set of Knights running around at the Retaliators location. However, the drawbacks of this skill are pretty obvious when you target a Kodo Rider with it and he just pops rush, runs away and Guilt did nothing (except for have a useless dummy unit with Rush on it...).

I'll see what can/should be done. I'd like to see it ingame first.

The shaman

has 1 good mechanic and I think you didn't used it at its best. Here's the
deal, you can't target with your orb of lightning, you have to place yourself truely well.
I think you should do the exact same thing with the fire breath. Purge is a very good
skill when used in an arena and hero including battles. But here you should change that
skill to something "synergizing" with other spells. Drunken thingy that is used with fire
breath should be something to use. [You can still use that Purge ability but add the
drunken into it.] The wolf form comes out of nowhere I like the fact that you used the
wolf he has on his head but I'm sure you can find a better spell to fit this ultimate or
maybe add something unique to the wolf like companions or maybe just get the skill to
do different actions depending of your target. Lightning and Fire oriented spell would be
required as that's what you used in the first 3 spells.

Ah, I agree with everything here. See, the problem I had with this hero was that I kinda ran out of ideas. I just didn't know what to do with him, and he is a hero that has been through like four different stages. I am just never happy with how he turns out!
My plan though, is to remake him for the next patch, but it might wait for the patch after that if it takes too long.

I will probably think of the lines of Storm, Earth and Fire and see where I end up. I'll probably keep Lightning Row.

the flame piggy

I just saw the text I wrote above within this hero. I think this one should
be merged with the shaman. Just use its ultimate on the shaman and you have one
impressive hero. Also, the summons at level 5 are so usable to just surround an ennemy
hero and make it impossible for him to escape. You should fix this.

I will probably reduce the collision size of his minions, maybe make them have no collision.

I do kinda agree with you on the ultimate. Although I really like the effect it has and how it fits with this hero, it's kinda way too strong and I feel he would be better off with a more directly damaging, unit-targeting spell. I'll see what I can do.

Splash

the most excellent support healer. He can spec in shut down or in support mana
or in protection and finally OR in healing, I really like it so much. Splash's shield spell has
a glitch where it doesn't show the shield's effect.

Thank you! I also really like how he turned out, he is actually one of my favorites. I'll make sure to fix the bug although I have to say I haven't seen it yet.

So this is my review of your heroes.

Have a good day!
Druu

Thank you soooo much! This has all been really, really helpful and this is exactly the kind of feedback I need and really want!

Also, there is a VERY useful command for solo testing that I should probably notify everyone on in the front page. It's called -test, and it unlocks a few options that are really useful for testing.

-test MUST be entered before I believe 30 seconds have passed. Be wary of that.

Some of them are:
-dummy which spawns an unkillable, unmoveable enemy hero in the base.
-dummyhero xx which spawns a level xx enemy hero in your base.
-setlevel xx which sets the level of all your current heroes to xx.
-up which allows you to pick an unlimited number of heroes!

and you can also press Escape which will reset all your current heroes mana and health to 100% and reset their cooldowns.

Again, thank you so much!

 

[Druu]

I tried -test after something like 5 games. So I add to get all the heroes I already
has tested and test their spells again. I might have some ideas for you for your
Pandaren hero. I'll write them to you into a PM.

Also, I used esc to test some ultimate like the pandaren's one.
When I used it twice in a row, the dummies bugged and they all stacked
in one spot while their "skin" didn't move. You'd need to test it to see what I
mean. Just press escape and spam it.

Also, here's a test for you to do. The reason why you shouldn't use Q as a spell
activation is the follow. Go ingame and hold ALT [Which shows the health bars]
and then press Q to target someone. You'll see why Q is wrong.
I know the good players don't hold alt as they just display the health bar in the
options. But you know, that's the good players...

 

[Pigmassacre]

Urgh, right. ALT+QQ. :/

That's a real bummer, to be honest. I guess I could shift the hotkeys to WERT or ASDF... Darn engine and your silly shortcuts!

Yeah I also got that bug, I'll see what I can do about it. Perhaps I could make the ultimate just nudge enemies towards the edge of the ultimate instead? Either that or give affected units zero collision for a few seconds, like 1-2 and see if that helps.

 

[Druu]

ASDF

Attack = A
Stop = S

so no, you can't use these, either WERT or WERD or ZXCV, I've seen them in
another map and it worked great.

 

[Pigmassacre]

Alright, time for a little "whats going on" update. The next version turned out to be a bit bigger than I expected, so you can expect som fun stuff in a few days.

Things like a hero rework, a new hero, tons of bugfixes (yet again!), gameplay/map tweaks, a multiboard and a few hero/ability tweaks.

I'm currently feeling pretty good about where the map is headed, and I still love working on it so expect more and more updates as time comes. This map is my little baby and will probably be a for a long time coming.

 

[Pigmassacre]

Alright, map has been updated. Please do try it out and report any bugs or stuff that you guys find!

An important note is that the map now should be fully playable, as in there should be no major gamebreaking bugs. Hopefully.

 

[Druu]

it has my name!

There is still a typo in your villager hero/skeletal lancer, it says E twice I think
even for the third ability.

Other than that, good job, I was loving this map already, now it is nearly perfect.
You still need to add those peasants to the fray.

One more thing, I tried to cheat with the shaman, and good job, it didn't work.
I used his 2 abilities that shoot straight and far and I couldn't kill the units attacking
my tower.

When do we test this online? Shotgun on me! haha

 

[Pigmassacre]

Hehe awesome, thanks for the good words! I'll be sure to tell you when I'll get around to hosting it, should be soon as I'm officially free until monday.

Alright, updated the map. This is a REALLY small update, nothing to cheer about. However it fixes the bug you mentioned and some other things that I find needed to be changed to provide the sense of quality I want.

 

[Darkdread]

Hey IRock =) Remember me?

 

[Pigmassacre]

Alright, I feel it's time to give a little "what's going on?" report. Lumberbrawl 0.14 is coming along nicely, with several already implemented or planned features, such as:

Atleast two new heroes.

Several spell remakes or rebalances.

Major cleanups and fixes, some that you won't notice (old triggers/variables that were still in the data) and some you will notice.

However, one of the major things is the complete remake of the terrain!
The old terrain was a result of squeezing together an AoS map and patching it up here and there to "make it work". I felt there was a need for a complete cleanup, and it is on the way!

Lumber is now a team-shared resource.
This change is, I feel, one of the more important ones regarding gameplay.

A -newbie command!
This command turns on periodic Did you Know? hints, as well as notifying the player when something big happens, like a point being captured. I hope this will help accomodate new players into the game.

I also have things like new upgrades, tons of cosmetic changes and other improvements in order!

I obviously still love feedback!

 

[Ironside]

Information:


As a Reviewer of the Map Reviewers Group, I joined the THW Cleaning Event.
I end up writing a fast review, or just posting the end state of the map, rating is not always included!


Current State for this map: Approved


I will contact the moderator to Approve/Reject the map, depending on what you recieved.

 

[thundrag]

i found a possible bug. the siege engine has fortified armor and the demolisher only has heavy armor. i also find armor upgrade better then damage upgrade armor should cost a bit more..

 

[Pigmassacre]

@ Barathrum: awesome! Just the incentive I need to finish 0.14.

@ thundrag: Yes, a bug. Will fix!
Your other issue is an issue of balance, and that could be argued. Perhaps you're right! Do you have a replay of the times you've played Lumberbrawl? If anyone has a replay playing Lumberbrawl, I would be overjoyed if I could take a look at it! It could help immensely with balance changes/bug fixes!