Diablo 3's pseudo in Profil ?

[Vladadamm]

we have a line for SC2, so why not D3 now that it's released ^^

 

[Skycraft]

Diablo 3 doesn't support the modding community, Starcraft 2 and Warcraft 3 does.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

On the other hand, you can use Diablo III characters in SC2. In fact, Blizzard-All Stars will do that with one of them.

 

[Vladadamm]

It doesn't support modding community, but i think that many hive's member will play to it. So, it can have a good utility.

 

[Adiktuz]

The same thing I think why WoW only has a sub-forum and no line, no modding community support...

D3 sub forum [just a substitute while the main D3 sub forum is being made]

WoW sub forum

if your reasoning is that many people in the hive will play it, then a WoW line should have been added years ago...

 

[Statharas]

We might get one in the near future, dedicated to farming and other stuff.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

The D3 secret level is so out of place and as such complete crap, not to say promoting hating of that sort of stuff - it's not funny but hey just unicorns there no relattion to MLP:FiM maybe reminding of the 80s ponies but nothing more.

But do you see what I see? We can totally get this whimsy terrain and use it in SC2 and you've get some Equestria terrain! Ofc without the teddy bears and rainbows and clouds. There is/was even a tool to import D3 models in 3ds max.

 

[Statharas]

Thanks eImtoR, now i don't have to buy D3.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I still need to try out that secret level. It also has care bear and clouds with smiles. Very out of place for a Wizard that disintegrates stuff.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

What a joke with this level

Do you know what this reminds me of? My MUGEN crap where I mix cartoony graphics with some 3D looking chars or cartoony chars on SCII/other detailed and realistic stages. Now I feel that legit as in OK, now that Blizz did such a mix!

Statharas, I hope you are not sarcastic, I didn't mean not buy D3 cause of that. Don't you want to see a SC2 Map template having that terrain stuff (no need of the horses which are 80s style thats why they get cut in pieces) so we can have our ponies in their right environment? It would be awesome. But it requires someone with D3 copy, if someone wants to do it.

DSG, I played only 2 days D3 Beta and I already felt fed up doing Leoric over and over again, although in D2 I've done boss runs over fifty and gawd knows how many times. The graphics looks great, the gameplay so-so is the same, the story is a little bit - like resurrect Diablo another 5-6 times and we will See Diablo 4 Diablo 5, not very strong.

I think D3 doesn't have the longitivity that D2 offered and will not be played so continuously unlike its predecessor. Multiplayer kill-all before you even reached it isn't the most fun, maybe because too many players makes it too easy to win the game. And going straight for the last portrals and waypoints rather than EXPLORING I think kills lots of the game as some do these rush kills. Like I said, Im fine w/o D3, we will see when HotS who will be from the ones that post on YouTube to show off they have the game already.

 

[Statharas]

Can we stop with the spoilers already?

 

[Rui]

If Diablo III and SC2 are sharing accounts (characters), then maybe I'll just edit the field? The unique ID that SC2 "characters" carries on to D3, right, Stat?

 

[Pyritie]

it's not funny but hey just unicorns there no relattion to MLP:FiM maybe reminding of the 80s ponies but nothing more.

I don't have the exact names on me, but the internal names for some of those are pretty obvious references to FiM

 

[Skycraft]

Do you know what this reminds me of? My MUGEN crap where I mix cartoony graphics with some 3D looking chars or cartoony chars on SCII/other detailed and realistic stages. Now I feel that legit as in OK, now that Blizz did such a mix!

Statharas, I hope you are not sarcastic, I didn't mean not buy D3 cause of that. Don't you want to see a SC2 Map template having that terrain stuff (no need of the horses which are 80s style thats why they get cut in pieces) so we can have our ponies in their right environment? It would be awesome. But it requires someone with D3 copy, if someone wants to do it.

DSG, I played only 2 days D3 Beta and I already felt fed up doing Leoric over and over again, although in D2 I've done boss runs over fifty and gawd knows how many times. The graphics looks great, the gameplay so-so is the same, the story is a little bit - like resurrect Diablo another 5-6 times and we will See Diablo 4 Diablo 5, not very strong.

I think D3 doesn't have the longitivity that D2 offered and will not be played so continuously unlike its predecessor. Multiplayer kill-all before you even reached it isn't the most fun, maybe because too many players makes it too easy to win the game. And going straight for the last portrals and waypoints rather than EXPLORING I think kills lots of the game as some do these rush kills. Like I said, Im fine w/o D3, we will see when HotS who will be from the ones that post on YouTube to show off they have the game already.

How about you be a good person and throw your text in a HIDDEN box? Some people don't want their game to be spoiled.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

^ How about you be a good person and don't quote me? Some people don't want their game to be spoiled. Also who ever asks them to chit-chat on a forum instead of Play? Getting good at some game is times more worthy than trashtalking on some offtopic forums.

I don't have the exact names on me, but the internal names for some of those are pretty obvious references to FiM

I'm sure some asshole that took part in the creation of D3 did it cause he's a typical hater but let me say - I know at least 2 people who gave up buying the game for being in the game, so even the ones who don't like such fairy things hate this place being there. The game is good, I have other reasons not to play it but some things add to those reasons. Still, good luck making it last long for those who play it.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Unless the ponies, flowers and bears have particularly nasty abilities, they are no concern.

Elite packs of Mounted Armadons on Hell/Inferno... I shudder to think of the repair bills.

 

[Skycraft]

^ How about you be a good person and don't quote me? Some people don't want their game to be spoiled. Also who ever asks them to chit-chat on a forum instead of Play? Getting good at some game is times more worthy than trashtalking on some offtopic forums.

I'm asking you to have some respect and stop posting spoilers. I don't know how I am 'trash-talking', but I'm sure getting good at a poorly designed game isn't any better than it.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

^ You talk about me spoiling but you haven't hidden quoting my post with which you are doing the same. And I thought you would get it. Like seriously? If you make a big deal of very little I've revealed, that's just retarded. And I meant any game not D3 specially, yes 'sure' blah-blah-ing here is much better. Glad I'm not wasting my time here anymore, some of you are beyond help.

 

[Skycraft]

So I'm meant to account for your stupidity and lack of respect, and somehow I am retarded and 'beyond help'? Well shit - I've meant some stupid people on the internet but you sir take the cake. Congratulations.

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

Do you realize how retarded your remark is by turning the whole thing into a big deal? Did you notice I haven't talked about the game since last week to state my impressions (and even if I did, who gives a shit? Just you and a bunch of tards: 'You said a word from the game, Omg my playing is ruined now!') See how many people talk about things from the game, if you can't grasp the pointlessness of your remark, don't call me stupid because you are a complete moron. THW's full of retards and trolls and I look bad for differing from them, glad I can now come and go away from this place whenever I wish.

 

[Pyritie]

guys just drop it

 

[Skycraft]

We have dropped it because I made my last point final and clear, no need to go on.

On topic related though - I think instead of Diablo 3 we should have Torchlight 2 instead, it may not be a Blizzard product but hey it's by the guys who made Diablo 2 PLUS it has offline singleplayer AND supports modding.

Just an idea.
It comes out in mid to late June though.

 

[Adiktuz]

yeah, Torchlight II... and it costs only $19.99

 

[Dr Super Good]

I thought it was made by the people who were fired for making such a mess of Diablo II... The same sort of people who have been job hopping from 1 fail game to the next for the past 10 years.

 

[Edhel-dur]

I thought it was made by the people who were fired for making such a mess of Diablo II... The same sort of people who have been job hopping from 1 fail game to the next for the past 10 years.

I don't think they got fired for making Diablo II into a mess. If we know anything about Blizzard, is that they like sales, and D2 had sales.

After Blizzard North disbanded they parted ways into 3 directions. After making some fail titles yeah, they reunited, and created Runic. Than came out TL1 in one year development time. And now, about 3 years later, they are going to release TL2 which is a Hack'n'Slash ARPG. It's very similar to Diablo 2 in many ways, just a lot more convenience added.

They kept all the D2 elements of allocating Attribute Stats, allocating Skill Points, and the very unorganized and chaotic H'n'S combat. There will also be Offline mode, LAN, Online mode, Modding, outdoor level generation.

Basically is everything which D3 isn't. You were right DSG, D3 is not like D2, it's just WoW in isometric view. That's not to say that it's bad or anything, just saying.

Of course modding brings pros and cons to the table, the fact still is that it costs just 20$, and currently if you pre-order on steam 3 copies, you get 1 for free.

What it all runs down to, is people who want to play a D2 clone, they will choose TL2. People who want to play "Diablo" will stick to D3. It's a matter of substance vs form.

D3 has just the form of D2, while TL2 has the substance of D2. : P

All in all stop bashing Runic, people will most likely just pay for both games, or if they chose one wouldn't have chosen the other either way.

 

[Dr Super Good]

They kept all the D2 elements of allocating Attribute Stats, allocating Skill Points, and the very unorganized and chaotic H'n'S combat.

Which was what most people hated with Diablo II... So you are basically saying it is a fail clone of Diablo II made by taking the worst parts of Diablo II to make a game that is almost unplayable?

Basically is everything which D3 isn't.

You mean it is not good? Since Diablo III is great, defiantly a major candidate for game of the year unless SC2: WoL can top it.

 

[Skycraft]

I don't understand DSG, how was Diablo 2 a mess of a game and how is Diablo 3 any better?

 

[Dr Super Good]

Diablo II has a unfixed bug list that covers many pages. From the passive skills like dodge not generating a client interrupt resulting in the Amazon standing there and doing nothing despite what the client showed to smite not rolling hit chance despite even calculating a hit roll. Other ones that are prety obvious are monsters with "mana burn" burning 256 times the mana they should (they forgot to right shit by 8 after left shifting by 8 to reduce rounding error) and tomb viper's poison spear dealing their attack damage on every frame on top of the usual damage every frame (so it comes to them dealing 20K DPS which is more than any other monster or boss in the game).

Let us not forget the inherit flaws. Only a few people ever have had a Zod or high level ruin drop for them fairly. The servers are plagued with robots doing runs or spamming you with adverts. There is no way you can get a fair share of loot when people use third party tools to take it from you. Why on earth could you allocate points into Energy!? There was no point in using elite armors over exceptional armors due to the stupidly high requirements. All physical attackers except the paladin were usless unless you had horribly expensive gear. It was impossible to trade items in game at any decent rate due to third party sites. 70% of skills were not usable (next to perhaps being a synergy) due to being too weak.

The service was also horribly unreliable. Summoning necromancers caused the server to boot everyone from game play. More than attacking character using a Hellfire Torch caused the server to boot everyone from game play. A necromancer could cause the server to boot everyone from game play by spamming bone wall. Uber Mephisto could cause the servers to boot everyone from game play by drowning the players in skeletons while radiating huge numbers of charged bolts. Attacking the Pandimonium event with more than 2 players at any time on more than 1 evil caused the servers to boot players from the game.

Let us not forget how running Diablo II in Direct3D mode at times causes it to perform dozens of times worse than Diablo III (a modern day graphic card should nor run Diablo II at 10 FPS or less). The occurrence of this is entirely random and sometimes fixed by changing graphic drivers (clean install).

 

[Edhel-dur]

Which was what most people hated with Diablo II... So you are basically saying it is a fail clone of Diablo II made by taking the worst parts of Diablo II to make a game that is almost unplayable?

How are they the worst parts? Just because everyone thinks so?

You mean it is not good? Since Diablo III is great, defiantly a major candidate for game of the year unless SC2: WoL can top it.

I didn't say D3 is bad. I just said D3 is not like D2. And since TL2 is like D2 (only better than D2), than TL2 has everything D3 doesn't have.

I'm saying yes, D3 lacks depth of character customization.

What is there to customize? You have all your abilities unlocked at level 60, you have all your glyphs unlocked at level 60. Your character is just like everyone else. Maybe your items are different, your achievements are different, and your total playtime is different. But there is no creativity, there is no sand-box element. I feel like I'm playing Assassins Creed. That I just progress in order for the game to give me everything it has to offer not everything I want to obtain.

This is the feeling I get about D3, it's World of Warcraft postTBC all over again. I've been through that experience and I know I am not interested in repeating it.

No, D3 is not worse than TL2. No, TL2 is not worse than D3. They are just a different style, or rather, they approach the player in a different style.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The skills you use are different. People stupidly think you can change skills at will but when you are level 60 this is not the case.

 

[Edhel-dur]

The skills you use are different. People stupidly think you can change skills at will but when you are level 60 this is not the case.

You can't use all your skills at the same time, but all the skills are available to you, and all their runes. Basically you have all your tool kit available to you, which you can change at your hearts desire within limitations of course.

You are limited to 6 active skills and 3 passive skills. However you can select and change your skills at any given time without any cost.

 

[Skycraft]

While I agree with much of your post DSG, there are some things I'd like to point out.

Let us not forget the inherit flaws. Only a few people ever have had a Zod or high level ruin drop for them fairly.

Would you prefer high runes to drop more often? This is chance, a good mechanic that's part of the game. You can't expect to get what you want all the time (but I have had a Zod rune drop before me once).

Why on earth could you allocate points into Energy!?

Energy Shield - and often so you can have a lot of mana if you're a caster.

All physical attackers except the paladin were usless unless you had horribly expensive gear.

Not true. You'd be surprised how well you can do in Hell as a Barbarian with just gear you found in Nightmare.

It was impossible to trade items in game at any decent rate due to third party sites.

Also not true. There were MANY people that played the game and there was a chatroom specifically for trading for people who wanted to do so.

70% of skills were not usable (next to perhaps being a synergy) due to being too weak.

Once again not true. Every skill in the game is usable and good on their own merits. This does not always have to apply to high end PvP, moves like Frost Nova are more popular in 'Low-Level' PvP and PvE.

Let us not forget how running Diablo II in Direct3D mode at times causes it to perform dozens of times worse than Diablo III (a modern day graphic card should nor run Diablo II at 10 FPS or less). The occurrence of this is entirely random and sometimes fixed by changing graphic drivers (clean install).

A modern day game is expected to run a lot better than it's predecessor.

 

[Dr Super Good]

You are limited to 6 active skills and 3 passive skills. However you can select and change your skills at any given time without any cost.

Nope, changing skills reduces your magic find (removes the valour buff). You clearly have not reached level 60 yet.

Would you prefer high runes to drop more often? This is chance, a good mechanic that's part of the game. You can't expect to get what you want all the time (but I have had a Zod rune drop before me once).

For the amount of time I played Diablo II at least 1 Ber ruin should have dropped for me. Highest I found was a Vex (which is valueless compared to Ber). I did get some Ber ruin once by trading torches which makes no sense but that Ber was probably duped (just a good dupe).

Energy Shield - and often so you can have a lot of mana if you're a caster.

Energy Shield is useless since mana-burn enemies deal 256 times too much mana damage (so a single hit burns 5K mana). Casters have enough mana without putting a single point into energy thanks to spirit and torches/anni. My hammerdin had 500 mana from gear and levels alone without an anni. If mana regeneration is a problem you just place an insight polearm on your Act 2 Mercenary. All mercenaries are Act 2 as any other mercenary is useless.

Not true. You'd be surprised how well you can do in Hell as a Barbarian with just gear you found in Nightmare.

4000 damage per hit double swing (all enemies have 50% physical resistance so that is 2000 damage per hit). Also you would live about 5 seconds before your 2K health was mauled away by enemies. My Sorceress dealt 20,000 damage per hit with splash from a range with teleport so I never got hit and hit the enemies hard. A javazon dealt 254K damage per hit to bosses which means that my Barbarian could not even single target bosses down. In the end my only use for it was to run behind better builds like hammerdins, sorceresses and javazons to double loot corpses. My Barbarian was fitted with elite gear and torch (anni was too rare).

The only barbarians I know that did well used HR gear. Because the ruin words uses ruins like Ber multiple times it was always better to get an Enigma and HotO for a hammerdin than create BotD or such weapons for a barbarian. The hammedin would always out perform the barbarian as it deals 15K+ damage per hit splash (unreduced) and the Paladin has the best block rate in the game (2-1 frame block at 75%).

Trust me, I tried Barbarian many times and none of them had any real killing power with found gear.

Also not true. There were MANY people that played the game and there was a chatroom specifically for trading for people who wanted to do so.

It used to take 4-8 hours in trade games to shift a single unidentified torch. This was back when dupes were common and was how I got my first and only Enigma and HotO.

Once again not true. Every skill in the game is usable and good on their own merits. This does not always have to apply to high end PvP, moves like Frost Nova are more popular in 'Low-Level' PvP and PvE.

Frost nova was useless. It dealt maximum 500 damage per hit where as Blizzard dealt upwards of 15K damage per hit. In PvP frost nova was equally useless as charge, smite and other such moves dealt far more and had game breaking mechanics to support them. Low level was for people trying to mitigate how poorly balanced the game was so I only ever considered level 90 Hell mode.

A modern day game is expected to run a lot better than it's predecessor.

Nope. Modern games are expected to run worse because they are stressing the hardware more. I can run hundreds of NES game emulators at the same time and still play other games. I can only run Diablo III once at any given time because it loads my CPU to 60% or more (all 4 cores).

Diablo II loaded my CPU to a massive 1% (yes it was not even noticeable it was running on the CPU) but for some reason was overloading some part of my GPU so in intensive battles with Direct3D mode (5-7 enemies) it became unplayable while I can have 100 battle cruisers in StarCraft II onscreen without any frame drops. The solution was to turn Direct3D off and use DirectDraw but honestly such a backward game should be more efficient and not waste more processing power than a game 10 years later. If it used that much processing power back in 2000 it would have run on the average system at 0.01 frames per second.

 

[thomasmarteen]

If your reasoning is that many people in the hive will play it, then a WoW line should have been added years ago.