Defense of Base v 4.18a (Final)

[Deleted member 247165]

Alright thanks for testing

Version 1.74: Some changes and new Hero Blade Master coming soon.

No problem!

 

[Acutesharpness]

Version 1.74: New Hero Blade Master, can learn Mirror Image, Wind Mastery, Critical Strike and Ultimate: Blade Storm, an overview to him, this Hero able to create a clone of himself while dispelling buffs (not stun), move fast and attack fast, has a slim chance of dealing a critical attack and ultimate dealing area damage over time while slowing enemies in a larger radius.

V 1.75: New Hero Alchemist, can learn Acid Bomb, Chemical Rage, Heal Spray and Ultimate: Transmute. Acid Bomb fires a bottle of chemical that explode to deal pure damage in an area, Chemical Rage boosts Alchemist's Ogre into a form with accelerated attack speed, move faster, having bonus health and mana regeneration for a short duration. Heal Spray heals an area over a brief duration. Ultimate: Transmute attempts to turn a target into extra gold stunning the target, dealing damage based on gold currently carried, gains bonus gold thereafter.


For those who play Flame Mage, Flame Strike no longer require any form of channel, you can just drop it on a location and do anything right after, it will not be cancelled anymore.

Previously mentioned Mad Crawler per level Agility was increased to 2 from 1.

1.76:
- Major update to item prices for early game.
- Some correction to typos.


1.77:
- Changes to every existing Hero for balance.
- Some typo fixes.


1.78:
- Changed game name slightly for a publishing setting.
- Minor Hero tweaks and changes.


1.79:
- Many balance tweaks to Hero, some new icons.


1.80:
- Some Hero rework.
- Many balance tweaks to Hero, some new icons.

 

[Weigazod]

I have one word for you.

Neat

4 thumps for you. )

 

[Acutesharpness]

I have one word for you.

Neat

4 thumps for you. )

Thank you for testing sir, your rating will be appreciated!


EDIT: Didn't want to double post, the pacing of the game is fast and entertaining now!

EDIT: Managed to get a pub game with awesome plays, thanks to all those players, enjoy the replay.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

"Legendary items" ?! Are you plagiating from my game? -_-

 

[Acutesharpness]

No way man, the items are different

 

[Deleted member 247165]

No way man, the items are different

Hmm..okay then.

 

[Acutesharpness]

I appreciate your comment but please, next time don't try start a mini-chat on the comment, I would like constructive feedback regarding the map instead

Update: What the heck, who made the rating 3 stars, it was just 3 of them

Update: Let me know of any bugs, suggestions you have.

 

[deepstrasz]

This map doesn't even have a score screen. It's not core to the gameplay but would very much improve the map overall.

 

[Acutesharpness]

This map doesn't even have a score screen. It's not core to the gameplay but would very much improve the map overall.

Hello deepstrasz, you are not the first that suggested the multi-board in-game. I had been arguing that I don't want player to compare the score in-game but rather post-game where you don't have to multi-task. However, in my recent testing games, I have realised a few things. Firstly, the game was design very simply and multi-tasking will not cost the player many effort. Secondly, the time it takes to walk back to lane is relatively long and thus there are free time to check scores if players don't choose to buy wand of teleportation. Last but not least, many players would like to see their standing at each moment in the game. I will consider the suggestion but I usually go by assessment to the situation and state of game. It will largely depend on what players think or want in the upcoming patches and updates.

Edit

At V3.21, I recommend players to play professionally and start tournament events as I would like to see what can be changed for the next update.

V3.31, fixed mage business, updated description for blog site.

 

[Manipulation]

Tomes in AoS games, worst idea ever bro.

Skills's scaling.... is bad. Very few skills scale with stats which is negative.

Itemisation is very basic...

I honestly didnt find anything that stands out man... and i honestly believe your map in the current state cant compete with other maps.

Sry but i had to be honest and my goal isnt to underwhelm you or anything, i hope you keep workin on it.

 

[Acutesharpness]

Tomes in AoS games, worst idea ever bro.

Skills's scaling.... is bad. Very few skills scale with stats which is negative.

Itemisation is very basic...

I honestly didnt find anything that stands out man... and i honestly believe your map in the current state cant compete with other maps.

Sry but i had to be honest and my goal isnt to underwhelm you or anything, i hope you keep workin on it.

Hey Manipulation, I have edited the reply.

Regards to tomes in AOS, I had recently added a tome sale delay of 1000 seconds to counter players accidentally buying tomes in the early as they are meant for late game. It was allowed to be an option for continuously spending gold. However, the value one gets from tome is very low as compared to items. I do think it is risky as it drags the game longer but it creates an element of fun where gold can be very useful later in the game.

Regards to skill scaling, the abilities deal magic damage that increase each level that don't increase with primary attribute. Damage and defense options are carefully balanced and damage cap in most cases for spells are 350 - 400 depending on their nature. Example, those abilities that can stun or slow enemies do a little less damage, area effect spells do a little less than that. A strategy against this late game is to go for tomes of experience or tome of power (increase Hero level).

Once again thank you for your game testing, I hope to see more feedback and that I have answered many of your questions.

Summary of Changes

Hello, Version 3.93 will mark the stability of the game through many minor tweaks to fix some fighting balance, Melee Heroes are now more fair due to this. Ranged Heroes have both their ability to exploit distance but also having to deal with a great deal of disadvantage in early fighting power.

 

[Aleister]

Great work!

 

[Acutesharpness]

Aleister wrote:

Great work!

Thank you so much for your rating, appreciate it a lot, coming next year there will be some cosmetic update.

 

[Rufus]

I made a lot of notes while I played it, and this is what I wrote:

Revive timer is good. Not too long, but long enough for enemies to use it to their advantage.
First tower strength is good. Perhaps it could be a little bit stronger. I think the second turret should be stronger though, as it was a bit too easy to just snowball with a bunch of minions.
Nice, and correctly imported icons.
Minion last hitting is perfect. Not super-easy, and not super stressful either. Minion strength is also good, but I would perhaps recommend to add a little damge to the ranged minions.
The item shops are easy to understand using the horizontal upgrade line.
I think the attack damage and evasion items were way too strong for their costs. THe others were pretty balanced. 30% evasion is like 30% damage reduction instantly. 15% upgrading to 30% max could be better, but still pretty strong in my opinion.
I also missed an "only health" and "only mana" item.
The market could have the name "The library" instead, selling books and all?
The Goblin shop and goblin blacksmith could be placed next to each other perhaps, since they are both offering stat upgrades? Or perhaps STR, AGI and INT could have one shop each?
The "Sharpblade" is just purely stronger than the first attack damge item, giving bigger total damage (thanks to primary attribute), and the stats benefits. Same goes for the "Druid Paw"
The dimension wander shop had useful and unique items.
I really like that the tier 4 of an item had 4 different options to upgrade to!
Manic glove feels a little bit too strong with 77% extra attackspeed.
The hero "Zia" had a passive ability that is just so overpowered. It slows attackspeed and movemnt speed by 75%, which is almost like stunning them constantly, unless they are using spells. I think you should reduce this.
Zias ultimate could also be used on buildings, which was a little bit powerful.
the mana costs on Zia was also really low. I didn't have to worry aobut mana one bit, as my entire combo cots 31 mana.
I like that the ultimates doesn't have ridicolous cooldowns. 60 seocnds is good.
In general, the heroes are strong and fun to play, but there are certain balancing issues with some abilities.
I could attack the black citadel right away without having to remove the towers first. Maybe this was intended though.
I would prefer QWER hotkeys, but everybody has different preferences.
The jungle bandits spawned even though there area lready bandits there, so they stacked up and got quite large.
Perhaps a longer duration after the game finishes, so player can talk about the game? 1 minute could be enough.
The terrain is not very nice. Miracles could be done here with more careful doodad placing and such.
I would suggest that you change the map name to something a little bit more fun. Defense of Base sounds a little generic.

Balance is the hardest thing about those games, and it is this you'll have to focus the most on as the game keeps developing. No one will never reach perfect balance, but with effort, you can come closer.
Other than that, this is already a healthy and fun map. I'll be excited to hear what you'll update on this.

 

[Acutesharpness]

From @Rufus : (Map Review)
I made a lot of notes while I played it, and this is what I wrote:

Revive timer is good. Not too long, but long enough for enemies to use it to their advantage.
First tower strength is good. Perhaps it could be a little bit stronger. I think the second turret should be stronger though, as it was a bit too easy to just snowball with a bunch of minions.
Nice, and correctly imported icons.
Minion last hitting is perfect. Not super-easy, and not super stressful either. Minion strength is also good, but I would perhaps recommend to add a little damge to the ranged minions.
The item shops are easy to understand using the horizontal upgrade line.
I think the attack damage and evasion items were way too strong for their costs. THe others were pretty balanced. 30% evasion is like 30% damage reduction instantly. 15% upgrading to 30% max could be better, but still pretty strong in my opinion.
I also missed an "only health" and "only mana" item.
The market could have the name "The library" instead, selling books and all?
The Goblin shop and goblin blacksmith could be placed next to each other perhaps, since they are both offering stat upgrades? Or perhaps STR, AGI and INT could have one shop each?
The "Sharpblade" is just purely stronger than the first attack damge item, giving bigger total damage (thanks to primary attribute), and the stats benefits. Same goes for the "Druid Paw"
The dimension wander shop had useful and unique items.
I really like that the tier 4 of an item had 4 different options to upgrade to!
Manic glove feels a little bit too strong with 77% extra attackspeed.
The hero "Zia" had a passive ability that is just so overpowered. It slows attackspeed and movemnt speed by 75%, which is almost like stunning them constantly, unless they are using spells. I think you should reduce this.
Zias ultimate could also be used on buildings, which was a little bit powerful.
the mana costs on Zia was also really low. I didn't have to worry aobut mana one bit, as my entire combo cots 31 mana.
I like that the ultimates doesn't have ridicolous cooldowns. 60 seocnds is good.
In general, the heroes are strong and fun to play, but there are certain balancing issues with some abilities.
I could attack the black citadel right away without having to remove the towers first. Maybe this was intended though.
I would prefer QWER hotkeys, but everybody has different preferences.
The jungle bandits spawned even though there area lready bandits there, so they stacked up and got quite large.
Perhaps a longer duration after the game finishes, so player can talk about the game? 1 minute could be enough.
The terrain is not very nice. Miracles could be done here with more careful doodad placing and such.
I would suggest that you change the map name to something a little bit more fun. Defense of Base sounds a little generic.

Balance is the hardest thing about those games, and it is this you'll have to focus the most on as the game keeps developing. No one will never reach perfect balance, but with effort, you can come closer.
Other than that, this is already a healthy and fun map. I'll be excited to hear what you'll update on this.

Hey thanks for the great review! There are some confusion that I will address to you via private messages but I have read and considered many of the suggestions including the map name change. Regarding that, I had three name changes, the first name was "Battle Carnage" and the other two are similar to the current one. This map had reached version 4.14 and I am hesitant on changing the name as it had form maturity, still, let me know what you think about that

 

[Rufus]

I don't quite like Battle Carnage. It sounds more like a melee map or something. I'll see if I can come up with some suggestions. I'll also watch this thread so I can see any new names pop up.

 

[ChubbyQuiche]

Grand Review Exchange

I played it several times, so i think i have enough feedback xD

Gameplay

I really liked the unique parts of your map, such as the river, or special jungle system. Itemization is very simple. The things I didn't like are the "repeating" features that make your game slower. The towers. There are too many of them, but they're all the same. The lanepushing is same during the whole game. Also the jungling. If I decide to jungle, I'll just kill the camps easily, they're all the same and all of them are weak (excluding the bosses). I'm not saying you have to create jungle respawn system, but some buffs, or different bounty rewards of the jungle camps would be nice I'm giving you 2/5.

Balance

As I said before, I played this a lot, so I think I have some thoughts about the balance.
The balance is OK, unless I meet a hero of different type/class. I mean, the little parts of your map are balanced, but if they are combined, the game becomes not fair. Especially the tanks, most of them are even more mobile than DPS/supports, they have many damage/stuns/etc and it is hard to kill them. Also supports aren't great for the late game. I'd recommend you to change supports to real supports, such as stuns, heals, global abilities, etc 3/5 for the balance

Aesthetics

It's simply awesome. The map is very, very good-looking, symmetrical and unique. Also the "Spawn" location is really creative. Your page contains the most interesting information, also you got a website. Wow. 5/5 for this.

Bugs

I met just few of them, if so, you fixed them asap. The game is really bugless and lagless. 5/5 for this.

Conclusion

The game seems too slow and kinda boring for me. You should add more interesting actions, such as new objectives, spells, etc. Its really fun-to-play in the early, but later it's becoming boring. I'm giving 15/20 for this project

Good luck in your future

@Rufus

 

[Acutesharpness]

From @ChubbyQuiche (Map Review):

Grand Review Exchange

I played it several times, so i think i have enough feedback xD

Gameplay

I really liked the unique parts of your map, such as the river, or special jungle system. Itemization is very simple. The things I didn't like are the "repeating" features that make your game slower. The towers. There are too many of them, but they're all the same. The lanepushing is same during the whole game. Also the jungling. If I decide to jungle, I'll just kill the camps easily, they're all the same and all of them are weak (excluding the bosses). I'm not saying you have to create jungle respawn system, but some buffs, or different bounty rewards of the jungle camps would be nice I'm giving you 2/5.

Balance

As I said before, I played this a lot, so I think I have some thoughts about the balance.
The balance is OK, unless I meet a hero of different type/class. I mean, the little parts of your map are balanced, but if they are combined, the game becomes not fair. Especially the tanks, most of them are even more mobile than DPS/supports, they have many damage/stuns/etc and it is hard to kill them. Also supports aren't great for the late game. I'd recommend you to change supports to real supports, such as stuns, heals, global abilities, etc 3/5 for the balance

Aesthetics

It's simply awesome. The map is very, very good-looking, symmetrical and unique. Also the "Spawn" location is really creative. Your page contains the most interesting information, also you got a website. Wow. 5/5 for this.

Bugs

I met just few of them, if so, you fixed them asap. The game is really bugless and lagless. 5/5 for this.

Conclusion

The game seems too slow and kinda boring for me. You should add more interesting actions, such as new objectives, spells, etc. Its really fun-to-play in the early, but later it's becoming boring. I'm giving 15/20 for this project

Good luck in your future

Thank you for spending time writing your opinions, I will review your map shortly!

Regarding the pace, there was a huge patch near 4.12 - 4.14 and had already addressed this issue, so I hope you check that out
However, the jungle camps are also buffed somewhere along 4.0, I have no idea about patches as I improve it along the way but good points, I am also contemplating on what significant changes that will bring the game closer to play.

Balance is all about math but here's the thing, I had try to make it as perfect as it can be. The real problem is that nobody wants a boring balanced game but an interactive unbalanced game which make it fun and exciting. WORKING ON IT T_T

All in all, I get that it is boring but do check 4.14 out and pacing wise, it can really give you a X'mas surprise, peace

 

[HIGH_WAR_LORD]

This map is too plain...

 

[Leaguer]

Why making such a simplistic map? Despite it being simple, at least you could have done something better with the spells of the heroes, that ugly jungle and that terrain which is really, really ugly. I don't say the terrain is what makes the game good, but it helps out a bit. The hero which uses the Shadow Hunter model is plain and useless and aside from that, his description says "Voodoo Magic" , really? What "Voodoo Magic" since he just throws a tiny boulder, gains bonus attack speed. The only "voodoo" like spell is the hex. Another bad thing is the stat of the lastest upgrade of items. Talisman of Evasion with 55% Evasion? The tower hardly could target me. Do you realize that such great evasion is too bad, and makes assassin heroes almost overpowered, right? Reduce it! I advise you to work more than this. 2/5 ( mostly because of the items and the spells)

 

[Acutesharpness]

From: Leaguer

Why making such a simplistic map? Despite it being simple, at least you could have done something better with the spells of the heroes, that ugly jungle and that terrain which is really, really ugly. I don't say the terrain is what makes the game good, but it helps out a bit. The hero which uses the Shadow Hunter model is plain and useless and aside from that, his description says "Voodoo Magic" , really? What "Voodoo Magic" since he just throws a tiny boulder, gains bonus attack speed. The only "voodoo" like spell is the hex. Another bad thing is the stat of the lastest upgrade of items. Talisman of Evasion with 55% Evasion? The tower hardly could target me. Do you realize that such great evasion is too bad, and makes assassin heroes almost overpowered, right? Reduce it! I advise you to work more than this. 2/5 ( mostly because of the items and the spells)

Hi, thanks for commenting and rating the game. There were little work done to the terrain, especially the jungle portion although I tried to add boss-like features with Bandit Lord . . . I believe the story-telling there was off but the map is already in the final version. I am sorry that you might like Shadow Hunter as a Hero, the idea behind him of being a troll but on the bright side of things, hex does damage

The items have been worked on for a long time now. . . The goal of the map is to give new players a chance to pick up this style of game rather rapidly, with the focus on defensive on the top of the list, it provide an environment that give new players the advantage. There is a way to play around this however, since there is a snowball nature with damage based items.

 

[Lord_Marrowgrath]

Version note says ''Final'' but still updating

 

[Acutesharpness]

Sorry but I had to change some minor wording in the description...

Hey so if anyone wants to play a game with me (maker) you can inbox me and I can host it on battle net and we play

Update: I have moved away from MOBA, I believe MOBA only works if there are tournaments and prize pool, currently working on PVE map much like Hero Siege.