Ash'vol Forest

[Moderator]

07:33, 15th Feb 2014
Hell_Master: Map Awaiting Update with a rating of 2/5 (Lacking). See SoJ's review and also mine to give you enough information on what to improve: sonofjay's Review and Personal Review


[EDITED]

Needs more serious work, see my comment.

 

[IamFootman061]

Any reply or feedback will be surely appreciated

 

[PlankingWolf]

Although it was your point, the terrain is really flat and most moderators and people won't like it. I also like the atmosphere. I have no other comments otherwise.
Looks cool.
Edit: Actually, I saw your goblin merchant buildings guarded with only one mob. What's up with that?

 

[IamFootman061]

I think you didn't download it to see that the map is not flat. If you have time, take a look at it. Anyway, ty for the feedback +rep

 

[PlankingWolf]

I think you didn't download it to see that the map is not flat. If you have time, take a look at it. Anyway, ty for the feedback +rep

I don't have Warcraft 3 right now. But if I get it back, I'm sure to test your map.
Well, by your screenshots, It was kinda flat. I guess the center of it was what was looking trapezoid-ish.

 

[Binsu]

I like how that it is an open area and you did a good job making an open area type of a melee map. I would suggest you raising some parts by using the Raise and Lower tool but still using Blizzard Cliffs because Raise and Lower tool will be a bad alternative to Blizzard Cliffs due to advantages/disadvantages it can bring up. Also, you should more doodads into some parts and use blizzard cliffs at some points. The map being open area can cause a pretty much fast gameplay which will result in it ending quite fast.

Anyway, expect a full feedback soon and the state of the map.

 

[Kazeon]

by looking at the screenie, my suggestion:
no need to set the sky in-game
I'm sorry I can't download because I'm not a fan of melee map

 

[Shadow Fury]

Ah, at last something from you IamFootman! Be sure that I'll review this right away!

 

[Shadow Fury]

Time for my review! It's a good melee map but still has some terrain issues which are the following:-

- Flatness. I found that the terrain has some flat points. Also I don't get why the left side is hilly while the right one is flat
- The long Dirt/Rough Dirt line separating the two sides doesn't look really good in my opinion and the center of the map is very empty
- The tile variation isn't used badly nonetheless I feel it needs some kind of improvement
- The parts around the starting locations lack of doodads. I see only some trees around them. Not enough my friend

SUGGESTIONS:-
- More hilly terrain in the right side
- In the long Dirt/Rough Dirt line, instead of letting the Rought Dirt be all together, why not spreading it through the Dirt?
- You might consider adding a Tavern in the center of the map instead of leaving it empty
- Add more Shrubs, Bushes, Flowers and Logs around the starting locations nearby the trees
- That may be personal taste, but I recommend using more the tile "Leaves"
- Consider also adding more creep camps. For example, the bottom and top corners of the map

OVERALL RESULT:-
In conclusion, this is a well made melee map which can offer some fun due to the vast playable area. I'll give it 3.5/5, rate 3 and vote for APPROVAL!

 

[taavidude]

Review: Ash'vol Forest
Good points
Terrain is great
Gameplay is fun
Bad points
Terrain is too flat
The center of the map is too empty
Suggestions
Make the terrain less flat
Improve the center of the map
4/5

 

[IamFootman061]

Ty for the feedback guys. This is my first melee map and I'm going to create an Altered melee to make it better and more connected to Ashtron Realm Stories.

 

[sonofjay]

So this is what a 3.50 melee map this days..

Anyway, here some small stuffs that you can do to improve your map.

Add something between the trees like cliffs or maybe a pond or anything that will make a little bit of pathing block will do, this doesn't simply protect you from tree cutter enemies but will also make your terrain a little better.

Also, stop putting random single trees since they look ugly, try putting them near a cliff, rock, tree stump etc.

Another thing is that dirt road in the middle, can't you do something to make it more appealing? Add more doodads! Arcs, columns and the likes usually do justice on that.

Oh and one last thing, instead of spamming trees on the border putting cliffs will look a lot better.


Overall, its just your everyday melee map, nothing really special but it might entertain a casual for a game or two. 2/5.

P.S.

I think you got hypnotize by people saying "CLIFFS ARE BAD!!! OMG DON'T USE IT!!". Don't believe on them, cliffs do justice if used well.

P.S.S.

Tavern please.

P.S.S.S.

Melee map can be easily made

Lies. Well kinda the true but the quality difference is to obvious for melee mappers like you who takes it easy and melee mappers who spends hours just to provide decent melee maps.

 

[Binsu]

I was actually gonna make a review now but seeing SonofJay's review... he pretty summed up all of the things I would say but adding:

The terrain is too flat and even with some little tile variation, it is still lacking some things. I also do think that you should also place blizzard cliffs around the map (preferable, what SoJ said about placing it together with trees).

And maybe you could try adding the taverns at the middle part, middle upper or middle lower part of the map.

I would rate this 2/5, same with SoJ and Awaiting Update. I would really suggest working more into this. Put your heart and soul into this and try making something unique in it, always aspire for your map to be better than the other melee maps here. I am pretty sure that will motivate you as a melee map maker but also as a mapmaker generally.

 

[IamFootman061]

I've gotta fix things when I got home

 

[Ken-E]

Full Review Emerges

While the map is in no doubt lacking, the layout feels rather fresh. You really need to put more details on the middle, it feels flat and incomplete. You should really add more incentive for the red creeps, suggest you put a marketplace right there.

Blizzard cliffs are really ugly but then again in a melee game, it's useful, I recommend you add cliffs around the map to prevent cutting trees at the boundaries which would make it very ugly.

Overall, I really liked this one, just needs more details.
2/5 for now, if you want your map to be reviewed again VM or PM me. Have a nice day!

 

[Orcnet]

I've gotta go quick and accurate since pending map is huge right now:

-Map's current space is way off. The usual raiding/scouting performance would be easily be notified since turn points are diagonal, heck even turtling out of this mess is not an option.
-Lumber harvested takes a couple of seconds before reaching a specific lumber mill near trees, this gives NE players advantage and breaks the ice of this map to be called 'balanced'.
-Creeps stored for this map are too strong, 1v1 is meant for a easy go for jungling, and quicker micro work rather than macro in most cases of small 1v1 matches.
-No much terrain work, it doesn't mean it needs to look good, but how the map's performance will be in e.g of cliffs, water levels, doodads blockage etc.

For now, rejected I'd like to see this as good source of practice but in the mean time, do better when it comes to uploading something new.

Put your heart and soul into this and try making something unique in it.

Reminds me of what my girl told me before she started dating 2 men simultaneously.